October 1998 - Test - lists.nanog.org

Re: FYI
by William Allen Simpson 12 Oct '98

12 Oct '98

Yes! I _was_ attending, but got stuck in a huge construction project on the first morning (following the Merit web page directions that M14 was the "best" route), and missed the first presentation. I was able to hear it off the net later. If I had a better connection, I would have been able to see them. I think this is a real benefit to all of us. Thanks! I plan on going back and checking out NANOGs I've missed. Keep this up, and I may never need to go to a NANOG in person again (much rejoicing). But, I'd miss your smiling faces, you big bunch of galoots.... ;-) > I really, really appreciate the effort and expense that everyone went to > to broadcast NANOG 13 and subsequently make it available for later > listening. I wasn't able to watch it in June, and I'm very glad to be > able to view it now. Thank you! :-) > WSimpson(a)UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32

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100% humidity in the L.A. 9-1-1 communications room
by Sean Donelan 12 Oct '98

12 Oct '98

In the catagory of stuff happens: http://www.cnn.com/US/9810/12/la.911.ap/ Does your co-locate have a sump pump? -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Internet 1, Backhoe 0
by Harold Willison 12 Oct '98

12 Oct '98

I have a pretty good source for custom tshirts.. I can check into pricing if these shirts arent being made by anyone yet. Whats the tshirt design? Picture on the front or back? Any wording on them? If so.. what? I can have the 'backhoe-targeted-in-gun-sights' picture made this evening sometime. Hmm.. probably will make several different versions and let folks vote on which is the preferred one. Of course, someone could already be doing this, and I could be way behind on this. Seems to me I remember this mentioned a few months back.. >>Now just if we could get those t-shirts with backhoes-targeted-in-gun-sights, >>then that'd be 20-30 orders right there, easily. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | Harold Willison AGIS Network Engineering | * Senior Network Engineer 313-730-5151 * | noc(a)agis.net 313-730-1130 x-5649 | | harold(a)agis.net 24 hours a day, 7 days a week | | <bold><italic> <underline>http://www.agis.net</underline></italic></bold> |<bold><italic> </italic></bold>\*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*/

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FYI
by Pam Ciesla 12 Oct '98

12 Oct '98

>From mark(a)vielle.datasys.net Sat Oct 10 21:21:30 1998 Received: from merit.edu (merit.edu [198.108.1.42]) by home.merit.edu (8.8.8/merit-2.0) with ESMTP id VAA11665 for <pam(a)home.merit.edu>; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vielle.datasys.net (mark(a)vielle.datasys.net [204.252.164.2]) by merit.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23208 for <pam(a)merit.edu>; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mark@localhost) by vielle.datasys.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA16968 for pam(a)merit.edu; Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:21:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199810110121.VAA16968(a)vielle.datasys.net> From: mark(a)vielle.datasys.net (Mark R. Lindsey) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:21:46 -0400 Reply-To: mark(a)vielle.datasys.net (Mark R. Lindsey) X-Pgp-Fingerprint: DB 6B 9E 9F B5 F2 9B 6D A0 BE D8 10 6B 22 8F 06 Precedence: Special-Delivery X-Tom-Swiftie: Pretend we were in the days before railways, Tom coached. X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 1995-03-03) To: pam(a)merit.edu Subject: Thank you! Status: R I really, really appreciate the effort and expense that everyone went to to broadcast NANOG 13 and subsequently make it available for later listening. I wasn't able to watch it in June, and I'm very glad to be able to view it now. Thank you! :-) Mark Lindsey

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Re: Internet 1, Backhoe 0
by John R. Cox 12 Oct '98

12 Oct '98

http://www.bizarroland.com/images/shotfromspace4.jpg -----Original Message----- From: scott w <scott(a)digisle.net> To: George Broadfoot <george(a)laserlink.net> Cc: 'Roeland M.J. Meyer' <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com>; 'Dan Foster' <dsf(a)frontiernet.net>; 'Jeff Weisberg' <jaw(a)Op.Net>; 'nanog(a)merit.edu' <nanog(a)merit.edu>; 'john(a)bestconnect.net' <john(a)bestconnect.net> Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 2:10 PM Subject: RE: Internet 1, Backhoe 0 > > >It doesn't say nanog and the picture is super-geeky and on the front... >How about a sillouetted back-hoe? Point the cross-hairs at the machinery, >not the person. Maybe don't even put a person on the thing. > > >Also, please make sure they are thick, good quality t-shirts. > >scott > > > >On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, George Broadfoot wrote: > >> Be sure to check out the fiber cutting Gopher backhoe shirt >> at www.bizarroland.com > >

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Sprint's filtering
by Sean M. Doran 12 Oct '98

12 Oct '98

Michael Dillon wrote: | The policies that once were technical policies instituted | by Sean Doran are no longer technical policies but a crass manipulation of | the marketplace to Sprint's advantage as the archives of this list prove | quite amply. Hello, my name is Sean Doran. The reality you seem to forget is that Sprint's holding the line on filtering has been holding the number of prefixes being seen globally to a conveniently small number. Just as the several networks who refuse to listen to announcements of address space not delegated by the IP registries -- or recorded in routing registries as associated with the origin AS -- Sprint's filtering has done some public good as a side-effect of intelligent self-defensive design. A denial of that is merely petty politicking, rather than anything actually rooted in technical issues. Finally, unlike a number of people reading this message, Sprint was largely unaffected by the unfortunate leak of several thousand prefixes by another large provider in the not-too-distant past. On that note, should someone go mad and decide to deaggregate a /8 to the /32 level just for fun, how many of you honestly wouldn't notice because you have *some* sort of prefix-length filtering in place? I'm curious to know in your particular case, Michael, whether you have a concern about the actual act of self-defensive filtering, or whether you are merely arguing that the potential number of prefixes Sprint may see is too low. Oh, wait, you wave the spectre of "clear violation of antitrust" around, so therefore any claim that you are making a _technical_ argument is clearly false. So, I am sure you are unimpressed that I actually hope Sprint undertakes to do *more* filtering, namely to ensure that prefixes can only be originated by ASes to whom the registries have delegated the address space, using a scheme proposed by Tony Li, Yakov Rekhter and Randy Bush, as presented at NANOG and RIPE and in other venues. That they protect themselves and their customers from unintentional routing-table explosions and redistributions into and out of IGPs does some public good is a useful side-effect, but the primary goal is and ought to be self-protection. | But I want to know | why ARIN cannot simply issue an appropriately sized portable block of | addresses to anyone who is legitimately multihomed? Appropriately sized: one /32, please. Legitimately multihomed: I have accounts at two ISPs in Toronto, one ISP in Copenhagen, and two ISPs in Stockholm. I also travel to IETFs and other places with terminal rooms, and would dearly like my laptop never to have to renumber when it changes its location in the topology. My laptop's *users* moreover would really hate to have to adapt to changing IP addresses every time a new provider gets selected. Please campaign for *MY* rights, too, you guys! I feel left out by you big boy regional ISPs who are trying to strangle my enterprise out of existence with your antitrust policies favouring the large and medium-sized over the very small! Sean.

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Backhoes: Solution?
by Adam Rothschild 11 Oct '98

11 Oct '98

http://www.millburn.net/backhoe2.jpg Sounds like a plan to me. Hopefully, many telco's will catch on, and fast...

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Re: Discussion point: Telco quality?
by Sean Donelan 11 Oct '98

11 Oct '98

ferguson(a)cisco.COM (Paul Ferguson) writes: >This latest fiber cut just kind of jarred my brain into the >realization of what "telco quality" services really boils down to. > >In the end, all services, both traditional telephony services and >data services, are more alike than people give them credit for. :-) I get a chuckle when I see the Lucent advertisments about making the data network as reliable as the voice network. I understand it is just marketing, but it does show a rather basic misunderstanding of the relationship between voice and data network reliability. I guess it is like most things, the more you learn about a subject the less you really wanted to know about it. Are there similarites between the voice and data networks? Yes. Are there differences between the voice and data networks? Yes. Will the entire telephone system fail? No. Will the entire Internet fail? No. Are there things that can happen to both which will really ruin your day? Yes. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Internet 1, Backhoe 0
by John R. Cox 11 Oct '98

11 Oct '98

Anyone like this better http://www.bizarroland.com/images/kill-the-beast.gif or http://www.bizarroland.com/images/kill-the-beast2.gif or this http://www.bizarroland.com/images/killthebeast.gif ? -----Original Message----- From: scott w <scott(a)digisle.net> To: George Broadfoot <george(a)laserlink.net> Cc: 'Roeland M.J. Meyer' <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com>; 'Dan Foster' <dsf(a)frontiernet.net>; 'Jeff Weisberg' <jaw(a)Op.Net>; 'nanog(a)merit.edu' <nanog(a)merit.edu>; 'john(a)bestconnect.net' <john(a)bestconnect.net> Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 2:10 PM Subject: RE: Internet 1, Backhoe 0 > > >It doesn't say nanog and the picture is super-geeky and on the front... >How about a sillouetted back-hoe? Point the cross-hairs at the machinery, >not the person. Maybe don't even put a person on the thing. > > >Also, please make sure they are thick, good quality t-shirts. > >scott > > > >On Fri, 9 Oct 1998, George Broadfoot wrote: > >> Be sure to check out the fiber cutting Gopher backhoe shirt >> at www.bizarroland.com > >

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Re: NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
by William Allen Simpson 10 Oct '98

10 Oct '98

> From: Rich Sena <ras(a)poppa.clubrich.tiac.net> > On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > > > Please... this is dead; let's let it stay that way, > > Fu ckrying out loud - I was behind a few hundred noises - hell everyone > else got to piss all over NANOG - damn I get a Mr. Bill for my troubles... > Never reply to a message -- particularly when you get behind -- until you have read _all_ the current messages. WSimpson(a)UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32

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