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Re: Re[2]: a generic water encapsulation technique [Re: floods]
by Eric Germann 11 Apr '97

11 Apr '97

That would be traffic shaping and priority queueing, right? New features in the latest rev of plumbing management software. At 09:17 AM 4/11/97 EST, pkavi(a)pcmail.casc.com wrote: > >Peter, > >What you said is true if the drain system treats all fluids equally. But >consider the difference between these fluids. > >It is much more important that sewage water, with its Constant Flow Rate, get to >its intended destination and not leech its pollutants into the ground. Storm >water, with a bursty Variable Flow Rate, will not cause environmental damage if >leeched into the ground during overflow cases. What is needed is a drain system >which can distinguish between storm water and sewage. > >Prabhu > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: a generic water encapsulation technique [Re: floods] >Author: peter(a)tdi.net at SMTPLINK >Date: 4/10/97 10:56 PM > > >Kent W. England wrote: >> >> We could also multiplex the rain water with the sewage water in a >> multi-mode drain system. Internet drain specialists tend to take religious >> points of view on whether we should have separate drain systems, should >> combine them, or outlaw one in favor of the other. But, clearly, >> encapsulation is the favored approach. >> > >The multiplexed drain system will never work. Sewage water we know >to be a fairly constant flow over time, and in fact sanitary engineers >refer to it as having a Constant Flow Rate. Storm water, on the other >hand, is >very bursty in nature, and sanitary engineers describe that as Variable >Flow Rate. In the old days they tried combining drain systems, sharing >the resources between the CFR water and the VFR water, and called the >result AFR (or >available flow rate). AFR had one weakness, however: it relied upon a >phenomena called precipitation shaping to keep the VFR storm water from >interfering with the CFR sewage water. As the clouds and the ground >didn't >have enough buffering to do proper precipitation shaping, the result was >a drain system which periodically suffered massive congestion, and all >users were equally unhappy. > >-peter > > > >

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Re[2]: a generic water encapsulation technique [Re: floods]
by pkavi＠pcmail.casc.com 11 Apr '97

11 Apr '97

Peter, What you said is true if the drain system treats all fluids equally. But consider the difference between these fluids. It is much more important that sewage water, with its Constant Flow Rate, get to its intended destination and not leech its pollutants into the ground. Storm water, with a bursty Variable Flow Rate, will not cause environmental damage if leeched into the ground during overflow cases. What is needed is a drain system which can distinguish between storm water and sewage. Prabhu ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: a generic water encapsulation technique [Re: floods] Author: peter(a)tdi.net at SMTPLINK Date: 4/10/97 10:56 PM Kent W. England wrote: > > We could also multiplex the rain water with the sewage water in a > multi-mode drain system. Internet drain specialists tend to take religious > points of view on whether we should have separate drain systems, should > combine them, or outlaw one in favor of the other. But, clearly, > encapsulation is the favored approach. > The multiplexed drain system will never work. Sewage water we know to be a fairly constant flow over time, and in fact sanitary engineers refer to it as having a Constant Flow Rate. Storm water, on the other hand, is very bursty in nature, and sanitary engineers describe that as Variable Flow Rate. In the old days they tried combining drain systems, sharing the resources between the CFR water and the VFR water, and called the result AFR (or available flow rate). AFR had one weakness, however: it relied upon a phenomena called precipitation shaping to keep the VFR storm water from interfering with the CFR sewage water. As the clouds and the ground didn't have enough buffering to do proper precipitation shaping, the result was a drain system which periodically suffered massive congestion, and all users were equally unhappy. -peter

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Ad Hoc, eDNS, AlterNIC and the bunch
by Jordan Mendelson 11 Apr '97

11 Apr '97

Sorry to bring this up, it may be out of the confines of the NANOG realm, but since the bulk of name lookups come from major network providers such as Sprint, MCI, UUnet and the rest, this seems like the logical place to post this. Over the past 10 months, there has been escalating talk about the new self appointed registries out there. Major news papers, magazines and other periodicals have been publishing that "the change is coming". Ultimately, the actual change rests at the hands of every user who runs a nameserver, for they are the ones who actually have the root server cache. A recent article in the Star Tribune, I believe stated that MCI is siding with the Internet Ad Hoc society and is going to support these new registries. Now, MCI is a major player in the US and if they actually DO start adding new root servers to their cache, there might be a major change in the Internet. I'm curious as to how many other network providers are even thinking about changing their root server caches just because some self appointed society tells them to. I'm confused as to how this sort of thing got SO out of control. I have yet to see an article anywhere countering these people. As a lot of you know, the Internet is all politics. What people see in real life really effects them when they go online. I have talked to a large number of people and they all believe that these new TLDs and registries will be appearing in the next 3 to 4 months. The people on this list have a tremendous amount of power to change the Internet, but unless you use this force in real life to educate the public, well... things like this will continue to happen. If the Internet Ad Hoc society actually does convince everyone to switch over, then there is a major problem. Does this mean any group of people who wants to make rules and can get enough publicity can make it happen without any sort of actual reasoning behind it? Can I declare an Internet tax and if I get enough magazines to print it, actually do it? This is a scary thought. Jordan -- Jordan Mendelson : www.wserv.com/~jordy Web Services, Inc. : www.wserv.com

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Re: Curious
by Danny McPherson 10 Apr '97

10 Apr '97

perhaps you should start with your provider? -danny > I am trying to figure out why, after moving my connection to ACSI, > that everything has slowed down so much. What I see on a traceroute is > that my big time spells are at mae-east.agis.net, > cpe3-fddi-0.washington.mci.net, and core1-hssi3-0.washington.mci.net. > Where can I find out what kind of traffic levels are running through > these networks. Thanks in advance.

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Curious
by Robert Evans 10 Apr '97

10 Apr '97

Hello, I am trying to figure out why, after moving my connection to ACSI, that everything has slowed down so much. What I see on a traceroute is that my big time spells are at mae-east.agis.net, cpe3-fddi-0.washington.mci.net, and core1-hssi3-0.washington.mci.net. Where can I find out what kind of traffic levels are running through these networks. Thanks in advance. Robert Evans GETtheNET, Inc.

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BGP and MULTI-HOMING tutorial
by Avi Freedman 10 Apr '97

10 Apr '97

I've posted a BGP and MULTI-HOMING tutorial I just wrote. It was going to be a Boardwatch column, but it turned out a bit too long and too advanced for that. Please take a look at http://www.netaxs.com/~freedman/bgp.html and share comments and thoughts... It's about 89k so I won't post it full-text to the list. Unfortunately it's just Part 1 of maybe 10 parts that can and probably will be written about routing in the next few months. Please keep comments redirected to inet-access and NOT to nanog. Here's a table of contents: BGP A WARNING PREREQUISITES BGP ROUTING: INTERNAL (INTERIOR) AND EXTERNAL SO WHY IS BGP INTERESTING? BEING "CONNECTED" TO THE INTERNET HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE FOR SPEAKING BGP PEERING SESSIONS AND ASNs: PART I WHAT DO YOU DO WITH BGP? PEERING SESSIONS eBGP vs. iBGP BGP AND THE SINGLE-HOMED AS-PATHS AS-PATH LENGTH AND BGP ROUTE SELECTION AS-PATH ACCESS LISTS (FILTERS) ENTERING, MODIFYING, AND DELETING as-path access-lists BGP METRICS (ATTRIBUTES) AND ROUTE SELECTION: INTRODUCTION BGP PATH SELECTION PROCESS ACCORDING TO CISCO BGP ATTRIBUTE TYPES EGP vs. IGP WHAT IS ROUTE FLAP AND WHY IS IT BAD? WHAT TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN CONFIGURING BGP BGP AND PEERING INTERNET CONNECTIVITY WITHOUT BGP BGP AND THE SINGLE-HOMED BGP AND THE MULTI-HOMED MULTI-HOMING AND LOAD-BALANCING HOW TO ANNOUNCE YOUR NETWORKS BEING ADVERTISED BY MULTIPLE PROVIDERS WITHOUT PI-SPACE CONTROLLING OUTGOING DATA FLOW: "FULL ROUTING" CONTROLLING OUTGOING DATA FLOW: "PARTIAL ROUTING": "CUSTOMER ROUTES ONLY" SO WHAT'S TO BE DONE? AS-PATH PADDING QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THANKS TO TO BE DONE Sidebars Sidebar on Cisco BGP commands Sidebar on next-hop-self Sidebar on Outgoing Data Flow Control Without BGP Thanks, Avi

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Re: Ad Hoc, eDNS, AlterNIC and the bunch - what did IAHC press release say?
by Gregory Hersh 10 Apr '97

10 Apr '97

Here is quotation from IAHC press release (http://www.iahc.org/press-MoU.html) INTERNET NAMING PLAN SIGNED: ADDITIONAL ENDORSEMENTS SCHEDULED FOR GENEVA MEETING AT THE END OF APRIL WASHINGTON, DC, April 8, 1997 -- Internet governance has taken a major step forward, with the authorizing signatures applied to a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) which enhances administration and management of the Internet's domain name system. The document is part of a plan developed by the International Ad Hoc Committee (IAHC), a group of Internet experts formed to consider issues brought on by the rapid growth of the Internet, that calls for the creation of additional top level names and the formation of a structure to allow competing companies to register Internet names. Initial signers of the documents establishing the new system are the Internet ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA), the Internet Society (ISOC), the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), and the International Trademark Association (INTA). They will be joined by representatives from industry, government, and other organizations who have indicated their intent to sign and participate. Three major corporations, Digital Equipment Corporation, MCI, and UUNET are among the early endorsers of the plan. According to Heidi Heiden, a senior executive with UUNET, "We are endorsing the IAHC plan because it successfully addresses key issues and concerns and was created by responsible parties with strong credentials. It is of utmost importance to us to see the Internet evolve as a stable and secure network that continues to expand without being fragmented." [snip]

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Not to be alarmist...
by Todd Graham Lewis 09 Apr '97

09 Apr '97

but has anyone else noticed that AOL's mail servers have been down for, ohh, two days now? Does this count as a "severe outage"? __ Todd Graham Lewis MindSpring Enterprises tlewis(a)mindspring.com

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Re: Not to be alarmist...
by Richard Colella 09 Apr '97

09 Apr '97

FYI, folks here are aware of this problem and are working on it. Mail does continue to work, but at somewhat reduced capacity. --Richard On Apr 9, 3:15pm, Richard Colella wrote: > Subject: Re: Not to be alarmist... > TOdd, > > Could you be more specific? I've been getting mail in and out of > AOL just fine, both via aol.com and via aol.net. > > --Richard > > > On Apr 9, 2:59pm, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: > > Subject: Not to be alarmist... > > but has anyone else noticed that AOL's mail servers have been down for, > > ohh, two days now? Does this count as a "severe outage"? > > > > __ > > Todd Graham Lewis MindSpring Enterprises tlewis(a)mindspring.com > >-- End of excerpt from Todd Graham Lewis > > > > -- >-- End of excerpt from Richard Colella --

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Route servers at MAE-W
by Jim Van Baalen 09 Apr '97

09 Apr '97

Our router has not been able to establish a session with either of the route servers at MAE-W since 1:36PM PDT. It is on the AMES side of the MAE. Are we the only ones seeing this problem? Jim

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