January 1997 - Test - lists.nanog.org

Update on mail bombing threats--words fail me--enjoy the laugh
by Howard C. Berkowitz 09 Jan '97

09 Jan '97

I posted recently about a recent mailbombing threat apparently originating from Cyberpromo. Many of you may have received this, but I must share it for those who haven't seen it...the specter of Cyberpromo being victimized by Nasty Evil Spammers had me laughing so hard tears ran down my face and my ribs hurt. Howard ------ Received: from cyber3.7.nostoppingittop (daemon(a)[206.154.151.19]) by mail.clark.net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA24805 for <hcb(a)clark.net>; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:51:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by cyber3.7.nostoppingittop (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA05715; Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:53:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 20:53:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199701070153.UAA05715(a)cyber3.7.nostoppingittop> From: abusebot(a)savetrees.com (Mail AutoResponder) To: "howard c. berkowitz" <hcb(a)clark.net> Subject: RESPONSE FROM CYBERPROMO Version 1-4-97: Cyber Promotions has recently terminated several accounts for abuse of our policies. (Updated TOS at end of message). Cyber Promotions will not tolerate irresponsible commercial email activities. The following email accounts have been *recently TERMINATED... *noci(a)cyberpromo.com 1-4-97: Spamming with THREATS! jrtkjs(a)savetrees.com 10-9-96: Forgery and spamming INTERNET jrtkjs(a)answerme.com "" "" "" "" "" "" dollars(a)savetrees.com Non-existant account. The account was forged by the people who opened the accounts above. info1(a)cyberpromo.com 10-8-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses changes(a)answerme.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses changes(a)cyberpromo.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses changes(a)savetrees.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses catalog(a)savetrees.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses catalog(a)cyberpromo.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses catalog(a)answerme.com 9-30-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses eleven(a)answerme.com 9-28-96: Forgeries eleven(a)savetrees.com 9-28-96: Forgeries eleven(a)answerme.com 9-28-96: Forgeries tsahk(a)cyberpromo.com 9-27-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses tsahk(a)answerme.com 9-27-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses icssender(a)omni.cyberpromo.com 9-19-96: FORGED unsolicited email, making it appear that Cyberpromo's auto-sender was responsible. If you are in receipt of the message, please look through the headers and complain to the appropriate postmasters. networkes(a)answerme.com 9-17-96: Ignored remove requests networkes(a)cyberpromo.com 9-17-96: Ignored remove requests networkes(a)savetrees.com 9-17-96: Ignored remove requests reminders(a)answerme.com 9-17-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses reminders(a)savetrees.com 9-17-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses reminders(a)cyberpromo.com 9-17-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses salespromo(a)answerme.com 9-16-96: Unsolicited ads to INTERNET addresses salespromo(a)savetrees.com "" "" "" "" salespromo(a)cyberpromo.com "" "" "" "" promo(a)answerme.com "" "" "" "" promo(a)savetrees.com "" "" "" "" promo(a)cyberpromo.com "" "" "" "" info4free(a)answerme.com "" "" "" "" info4free(a)savetrees.com "" "" "" "" info4free(a)cyberpromo.com "" "" "" "" manda(a)cyberpromo.com 8-28: Massive abuse to INTERNET addresses / FORGERY manda(a)answerme.com 8-28: Massive abuse to INTERNET addresses / FORGERY website(a)cyberpromo.com 8-27: excessive abuse to AOL / removals ignored sevenmil(a)cyberpromo.com 8-27: excessive abuse / all removals ignored sevenmil(a)answerme.com 8-27: "" "" "" "" "" "" vera(a)cyberpromo.com vera(a)answerme.com zol(a)answerme.com website(a)answerme.com allied(a)cyberpromo.com allied(a)answerme.com lists(a)cyberpromo.com lists(a)answerme.com Cyber Promotions is *not* in business to annoy people. We are in the business of sending (and assisting in sending) commercial (and noncommercial) email to people who are *not* offended by the receipt of these messages. Unfortunately, due to many experiences (many of which were out of our control) we have had some problems accomplishing our goals without upsetting some people. We are truly sorry about that fact, and we plan to "clean up the streets" as best as we can. Some people have been under the impression that all email that appears to come from cyberpromo.com, is from Cyber Promotions. That is not true. Most of the complaints that we have recently received have been in reaction to people who have "autoresponders" and "virtual email addresses" on our system. In that case, their mail would have referenced an account on our system, but originated from a different site. Unfortunately, software like Pegasus enables their mail to appear as if it came from us, directly. But, their true origination is still evident in the headers. You can determine where it originated if you know how to decode headers. But when doing so, remember that Pegasus, for example, actually logs into *our* sendmail. At this time, the only messages that originate from Cyber Promotions, use our proprietary Cyber Sender 5.0+ protocol which will always be indicated in the organization: header. Due to these "look alikes," it could appear that recipients' remove request were being ignored. WE DO NOT IGNORE REMOVE REQUESTS. Please note: we have no control over mail that originates from other sites, that travel through our SMTP (relay-host) servers. We will simply terminate any accounts that we maintain, that is referred to in their abusive mail. ATTENTION PRODIGY MEMBERS: It has come to Cyber Promotions' attention, that some of you are having a major problem removing yourselves from our lists. This can be attributed to the "alias" that your outgoing mail may contain. If you are having problems, please send an email to manremove(a)cyberpromo.com and type both of your email addresses in the body of the message, each on its own line, without any comments. The subject line is ignored. You probably have one address like xazd35r(a)prodigy.com and another address like sanford(a)prodigy.com. ATTENTION PIPELINE MEMBERS: It has come to Cyber Promotions' attention, that some of you are having a major problem removing yourselves from our lists. This can be attributed to the "alias" that your outgoing mail may contain. If you are having problems, please send an email to manremove(a)cyberpromo.com and type your email addresses in the body of the message, each on its own line, without any comments. The subject line is ignored. You should type your email id followed by the following THREE domains. @usa.pipeline.com, @pipeline.com, @nyc.pipeline.com. Even if you feel that your address is definately only one of the three possibilities, you should still remove all three addresses (each on its own line). ATTENTION INTERNET USERS: It has come to Cyber Promotions' attention, that some of you are having a major problem removing yourselves from our lists. This can be attributed to the "alias" that your outgoing mail may contain. If you are having problems, please send an email to manremove(a)cyberpromo.com and type your email addresses in the body of the message, each on its own line, without any comments. The subject line is ignored. If your email address could contain an alias like mail.domain.com or if you may have more that one email address that points to another email address, you should remove them all. If you wish to remove *every* email address in your domain, please contact us, and we will "grep" out every possibility. REVISED TERMS OF SERVICE: 1. We do not allow postings to inappropriate newsgroups with reference to your account because such postings result in *MUCH* more negative response than positive. 2. We prohibit the advertising of offensive material (ie. pornography, weapons, etc). 3. You may not use the account to participate in illegal activities. 4. Our TOS strictly prohibits the sending of mass commercial emails to INTERNET addresses, unless expressed permission has been granted to you by the recipient. In addition, you *must* honor all requests for removal from your mailing list in a diligent manner. Our service can be used in conjunction with advertisements that you place with a bulk email company other than your own or us, as long as they follow the same guidelines. 5. Cyber Promotions reserves the right to terminate any account for any reason at any time, without notice.

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APRICOT '97
by David R. Conrad 08 Jan '97

08 Jan '97

Apologies for duplicates and possible inappropriate-ness, however this is just to remind those people outside the AP region who are coming to APRICOT that the rooms blocked out for the conference are released TOMORROW. If you haven't registered and would like to attend, please do so ASAP. See http://www.apricot.net for details. Regards, -drc

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Re: Domain names for ISP infrastructure links
by Peter Lothberg 08 Jan '97

08 Jan '97

> 4. Are people actually interested in pursuing this formally? If a spec was > written would you change your DNS names to conform? I belong in the group of people that need to change domain names for router interfaces, (and we have already been flamed, thankyou), so that's why I brought up the issue on how to name interfaces, so when chaninging, we don't do something else that is viewed wrong. > Would you be willing > to set up a formal registration process with the IANA for 2(or 3) letter > pop codes to be consistant? Hello mr US centric.. Airports are three or four letters and they are not globally unique. --Peter

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Re: Domain names for ISP infrastructure links
by John Curran 08 Jan '97

08 Jan '97

At 17:25 1/7/97, John W. Stewart III wrote: >conventions are fine > >and it's helpful to users and operators alike for names to >contain a fair amount of information > >but "standardizing" with fixed-width fields, pop codes, >next-hop router, etc. doesn't seem that productive when >providers are gonna do what they want anyway. No... we're going to mandate OID-style router names for the world's Internet providers: <isoc-tree>.<internet-infrastructure branch>. <iso country code>.<city ordinal>.<provider #>. <facility #>.<rack #>.<shelf #>.<router ordinal> Great fun to watch (it could be happening this way in the alternate universe next door.) ;-) /John

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RE: Agenda items for February
by Paul Ferguson 08 Jan '97

08 Jan '97

At 11:03 AM 1/8/97 -0600, Chris A. Icide wrote: >Would anyone be interested in a short discussion on something like >"Properties of an improved routing protocol"? > This type of discussion would be better served taking place within the IETF, not NANOG. $.02, - paul >My thought here is just a short discussion (Round Table) that might >throw proposed ideas for an improved routing protocol. > >For example: > > Supports policy based routing (BGP stuff) > supports server - server and server - client modes > supports link quality, delay, reliability, etc > supports QOS > >etc., etc., > >Chris A. Icide >Nap.Net, L.L.C. >

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Re: Thanks to all--medical emergency under control
by Marc Unangst 08 Jan '97

08 Jan '97

"Joe Rhett" <joe(a)Navigist.Com> writes: > This would be great if the Police didn't use radios that everyone has > scanners for. This is the same as cracking - if you can prompt a > legitatimate query which creates a legitimate response then you can > snoop the session. > > ...until the police finally get better radios. Apologies to those of you > who live in countries where the police have caught on to this. Not to drag the NANOG list down a completely irrelevant path (like that's ever a concern for others here :-) ), but there are other rather substantial concerns here. In most areas, public-safety radio frequencies are considered public-access, and the relevant agencies are prohibited from encrypting their radio traffic. This is mainly an oversight issue; the idea is that private agencies should be able to keep an eye on what the police are doing. Naturally this doesn't prevent the police or similar agencies from coming up with creative ways around the issue, ranging from voice radio codes ("code 6" instead of "domestic assault", etc.) to "trunking" radio systems that hop frequencies every time you push PTT. Apparently the regulatory agencies have decided that this is okay, but (e.g.) digital spread-spectrum isn't... -Marc

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RE: Agenda items for February
by Chris A. Icide 08 Jan '97

08 Jan '97

Would anyone be interested in a short discussion on something like "Properties of an improved routing protocol"? My thought here is just a short discussion (Round Table) that might throw proposed ideas for an improved routing protocol. For example: Supports policy based routing (BGP stuff) supports server - server and server - client modes supports link quality, delay, reliability, etc supports QOS etc., etc., Chris A. Icide Nap.Net, L.L.C. ---------- From: Susan R. Harris[SMTP:srh@merit.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 1997 3:31 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Agenda items for February Greetings - here are topics we've lined up so far for the Feburary NANOG: Squid update Introduction to Trawhoisd Pathologic applications in the Internet Exchange point updates (10-minute IXP presentations welcome) Consideration of policy: issues of signaling for access and usage End-to-end TCP packet dynamics InterNIC update Non-BGP multihoming for Web sites Internet routing instability Using the IRR to assist in aggregation Are there other topics you'd like to hear about? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Susan R. Harris, Ph.D. Merit Network, Inc. srh(a)merit.edu Phone: (313) 936-2100 Fax: (313) 747-3185 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Thanks to all--medical emergency under control
by Jeffrey Payne 08 Jan '97

08 Jan '97

>Add to this that this is the second time in 6 months I have heard of a >such an incident where the net was usefull in stopping this. > >Reminds me of the time a guy walked into our offices and turned over >the handgun he had been toying around with the night before because >one of our staff convinced him not to use it. Not as exciting or controversial as a suicide attempt, but an interesting timing coincidence, no less...my next door neighbor showed up at my front door yesterday morning holding a branch from a house plant. Her six-month old had just eaten couple leaves off of it, and the poison control hotline had told her to wait for symptoms before rushing the kid to the hospital. Still, she was frantic enough to knock on our door to try to identify the plant and it's toxicity. Bottom line, it took about 6 or 7 minutes to identify the branch and show that it's relatively safe...the "consumer's Internet" (just a web browser & no privledged access) serviced a practical and immediate need. My neighbor's now threatening to get connected, maybe with a WebTV box. Just an interesting tidbit for the archive. -jp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey Payne Voice:206.674.2364 GM, Technical Operations FAX: 206.674.2696 Progressive Networks, Inc http://www.prognet.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Re: Thanks to all--medical emergency under control
by ALAN DORN HETZEL JR 08 Jan '97

08 Jan '97

From: INDIGO::DORN "ALAN DORN HETZEL JR" 8-JAN-1997 08:31:17.05 To: MX%"joe(a)Navigist.Com" CC: DORN Subj: Re: Thanks to all--medical emergency under control > I think the way we would handle privacy issues here is that if we received > such a request to locate one of our customers, we would pass the customers > location information directly to local law enforcement along with the > request we had received. This way, the requestor cannot use such a claim > to learn private information of our customer, but yet our local cops could > provide assistance if it's really required... This would be great if the Police didn't use radios that everyone has scanners for. This is the same as cracking - if you can prompt a legitatimate query which creates a legitimate response then you can snoop the session. ...until the police finally get better radios. Apologies to those of you who live in countries where the police have caught on to this. I think I would be willing to take that risk. Life is not perfect and I cannot prevent every possible leak of data; someone could break into our offices and steal all the computers and the information on it; they could do it with guns and shoot all my employees too; this doesn't mean I won't keep any computers or information in my office... If I give information to the police and they manage to lose control of it, it is unfortunate, but I would just have to consider it outside the scope of what I have available worry cycles for... -Dorn

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Re: Domain names for ISP infrastructure links -Reply
by Alex.Bligh 08 Jan '97

08 Jan '97

> What about when the next hop is determined by dynamic means? You mean like a LAN or a point to multipoint FR cloud? In that case we name the cloud / LAN and stick that at the end. So TH1-E1-2-3-THColo for a colo server ethernet LAN. Alex Bligh Xara Networks

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