> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:31:39 -0500
> From: Scott Huddle <huddle(a)mci.net>
> Your argument changes from an economic one to a political one. If
> you want to run for office, there are better forums. If you want
> to convince people who are building commercial networks, get
> some facts.
>
In your reply to Dillon, you accuse him of having inaccurate figures.
Now, the fact is, he's probably not been around long enough to have read
the report, that has long since …
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remember seeing it about 5-6 years ago. I think it was a BellCore
study, but I may be misremembering. It concluded that over half the
cost of operating the RBOCs was customer billing.
As I remember, it in turn was based on the reported figures to the PUCs
of the RBOCs, looking at the depreciated cost of the cable plant, the
stated cost of yearly plant maintenance, and the proportion of equipment
unrelated to billing. As I remember, virtually all the switch
maintenance costs (particularly configuration and software) was unit
billing related. All the customer service reps and such were assumed
billing related, while directory service operations were not. Then,
proportion the management cost accordingly, and assumed that everything
else is billing related.
Now, that may have been an old report. I'm sure MCI would be delighted
to reveal its current figures for plant depreciation and maintenance,
and the amount that it pays (the RBOCs) for unit timing and printing and
mailing the statements, along with all the payment collection costs.
When you are ready to send that to this list, I will accept your further
criticism here of Dillon's numbers. Thank you.
WSimpson(a)UMich.edu
Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32
BSimpson(a)MorningStar.com
Key fingerprint = 2E 07 23 03 C5 62 70 D3 59 B1 4F 5E 1D C2 C1 A2
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Here's an idea that just popped into my head after NANOG.
Lets assume for a moment that the majority of route instabilty is
coming from inexperienced providers. With that assumption in hand
I propose the following incentive:
Finanical compensation for bgp dampening policies.
Deep pockets = very little flap penalty
Shallow pockets = very heavy flap penalty
Also, make the assumption that inexperienced providers arn't going
to be able to pay for light flap penalties. So their only choice
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I havn't thought about how or where such a policy would be applied,
but the underlying idea would help fix the problem of routing instabilty.
I know this one is out there, but I just thought I'd mention it.
Scott
--
smace(a)neosoft.com - KC5NUA - Scott Mace - Network Engineer - Neosoft Inc.
Any opinions expressed are mine.
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Folks;
It appears that routes to BBN via AGIS aren't working but others are. Is
this true? Perhaps we should start an AGIS Peering Woes List?
1) Digex
2) BBN Planet
3) ??
--Kent
>From: Kent W. England[SMTP:kwe@6SigmaNets.com]
>Sent: Friday, November 01, 1996 9:29 AM
>
>It appears that routes to BBN via AGIS aren't working but others are. Is
>this true? Perhaps we should start an AGIS Peering Woes List?
BBN is reachable through AGIS from our network...
traceroute to web100.bbnplanet.com (199.94.217.100), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 sd-gw-33-e1.atmnet.net (207.67.247.1) 2 ms 1 ms 2 ms
2 agis-atmnet.losangeles.agis.net (206.62.12.49) 383 ms …
[View More]40 ms 407 ms
3 a5-0.1009.santaclara3.agis.net (205.254.168.249) 12 ms 14 ms 12 ms
4 mae-w.bbnplanet.net (198.32.136.14) 14 ms 16 ms 14 ms
--
Jim Browning
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