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Re: Yes it's off topic but who cares right now.
by Steven M. Bellovin 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

In message <5.1.0.14.2.20010912104126.0d971e50(a)127.0.0.1>, "Patrick W. Gilmore" writes: > >At 10:20 AM 9/12/2001 -0400, Randy Bush wrote: > > > >> Although there are Muslims that believe we should all live in peace and > >> harmony the fundamentals of the Muslim faith state that [x and y] should > >> be exterminated. > > > >this is the horrible desease of all fanatics, irrespective of religion. > >the disease is not restricted to one view of god. > > > >do not spread it yourself. resist the cycle of violence and hate. > >Randy, > >Honorable post, thank you. > >But I sincerely doubt Mr. Diffey realizes just how closely his thought >processes mirror the thoughts of those who did this. Precisely. We can't allow hate to breed hate. By all means hunt down the folks responsible -- but let's not overreact and forget about "innocent until proven guilty", civil liberties, respect for human beings, and common sense. If we do, the terrorists will have won. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb http://www.wilyhacker.com

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Emergency Services Information for the N.Y.C. Area (fwd)
by deeann mikula 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

this is a great compendium of information regarding the emergency situation in the nyc area. it's from the nytimes direct mailing service. also, i just had a sobering conversation with a member of my verizon adsl team. i had simply asked where a favorite team member's normal work area is (yes, its nyc) and it turns out that she is "one of many MIA right now" and he described the chaos of hourly conference calls and trying to track down people who were working in the area. i was speechless, and i think i managed to croak out something pathetic expressing my concern. my heart goes out to them, and everyone with friends/coworkers/loved ones in the area. deeann m.m. mikula director of operations telerama public access internet http://www.telerama.com 1.877.688.3200 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:10:24 -0500 From: The New York Times Direct <NYTDirect(a)nytimes.com> To: **** Subject: Emergency Services Information for the N.Y.C. Area New York City-area Emergency Services and Resources From The New York Times on the Web Wednesday, September 12, 2001 --------------------------------- NYTimes.com has compiled the following list of emergency resources and contact information for the New York City area. Closings and some contact numbers may be subject to change. For news and information throughout the day, visit: http://www.nytimes.com BLOOD DONATIONS Manhattan - New York Blood Center 310 East 67th Street (between First and Second Aves.) 150 Amsterdam Avenue (66-67th Streets) - St. Clare's Hospital & Health Center 426 W. 52nd St. 212-586-1500 - St. Vincent's Hospital & Medical Center 7th Ave. at 11th St. 212-604-7000 Brooklyn - New York Blood Center 120 Lawrence St. near MetroTech 212-586-1500 - St. Mary's Hospital 170 Buffalo Ave. 718-221-3000 Queens - Flushing: St. Joseph's Hospital 15840 79th Ave. 718-558-6200 - Jamaica: St. Vincent's Medical Center of Richmond 355 Bard Ave. 718-876-1234 Staten Island - Mary Immaculate Hospital 15211 89th Ave. 718-558-2000 Westchester - Elmsford 525 Executive Boulevard New Jersey - New Brunswick 167 New Street For more details on available donor locations, call 1-800-448-3543 (GIVE-LIFE), 1-800-933-2566 or visit: http://www.nybloodcenter.org ----- HOTLINES Main New York City Numbers: - NYC Emergency Information: 212-560-2730 - NYPD Emergency Information: 212-741-4626 or 866-856-4167 Airlines: - American Airlines: 1-800-245-0999 American Airlines Statement http://www.aa.com/ - United Airlines: 1-800-932-8555 United Airlines Statement http://www.ual.com/ United also has established its international toll-free numbers for friends or family members who want more information. Those numbers are: The Netherlands: 020504051 Germany: 06966985407 Italy: 024829813 Belgium: 027133646 France: 0169199659 Victim Information: - Red Cross WTC Victim Information: 212-604-7285 - WTC: AON Employees: 203-863-6380 - WTC: Morgan Stanley Employees: 888-883-4391 - WTC: Carr Future: 800-755-7620 - WTC: Cantor Fitzgerald: 866-326-3188 - WTC: Pitney Bowes: 800-932-3631 - Pentagon Employees: 1-877-663-6772 - Fire Department and EMT Employees: 718-999-2541 - Police Department Employees: 718-677-8238 New York City Hospitals: - St. Vincent's Hospital: 212-604-7285 - Bellevue Hospital Center: 212-562-4141 - Coler Memorial Hospital: 212-848-6300 - Goldwater Memorial Hospital: 212-318-8000 - Gouverneur Hospital D&TC: 212-238-7000 Other City Services: - City Mortuary: 212-562-3051 - Chief Medical Examiner: 212-447-2030 Grief Counseling: - Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center: 718-579-5000 - Metropolitan Hospital Center: 212-423-6262 - St. Vincent's Health Crisis Center: 212-604-8220 - Department of Mental Health Services: 212-442-5000 ----- TRANSIT Subways: Most service has resumed with the exception of the 3, C, and the Q Express. City Buses: Buses are operating in Manhattan above 14th Street. For complete details on bus and subway service, visit the MTA Web site: http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emernyct.htm Roads, Bridges and Tunnels: - The Lincoln and Holland Tunnels and George Washington Bridge are closed in both directions. - FDR Drive and the West Side Highway are closed from 92nd St. to the Battery. - The Triborough, Throgs Neck, Whitestone and 59th Street bridges are open. Trains - Grand Central Station and Penn Station have both reopened and Long Island Railroad, Metro-North and New Jersey Transit are all running with limited service. PATH Trains are also in service. For additional updates and information, visit the following Web sites: Long Island Railroad (LIRR) http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emerlirr.htm Metro-North Railroad http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/emergency/emermnr.htm New Jersey Transit http://www.njtransit.com/ta_advisorynotices.jsp Ferries - The Staten Island Ferry is running in the Staten Island-bound direction only. - New York Waterway Ferries are running outbound only between 38th St., Weehawken and Hoboken with no charge. Airports - All U.S. airports are closed until further notice. Airline Information Lines: Relatives of American Airlines passengers seeking information about relatives may call 1-800-245-0999. United Airlines said friends or family members seeking information on flights may call 1-800-932-8555. United also plans to post any information it has on its Web site: http://www.united.com ----- CLOSINGS AND SERVICE CHANGES The following are closed or suspended today: - All U.S. Financial Markets - All U.S. Airports - Businesses in Manhattan below 14th St. - New York City Public Schools - New York City Parochial Schools - Empire State Building - New York City State and Federal Courts, including Jury Duty. For information call 1-800-692-6878 (NY-COURTS) - Metropolitan Museum - New York Public Library - Fordham University - St. John's University - Mailbox Pickup (Post offices are open) - Street cleaning - Alternate side of the street parking rules The following are open today: - Newark Public Schools - Post Offices - CUNY schools ----- Donations The United Way of New York and the New York Community Trust have established a fund to help the victims of the attacks and their families. The September Eleventh Fund will provide immediate support to established emergency assistance agencies. Anyone wishing to contribute may send their donations in care of United Way, 2 Park Ave, New York, New York, 10016, or call: (212) 251-4035. Donations are also being accepted on United Way of New York City's Web site: http://www.uwnyc.org. ------------------------------------- ABOUT THIS E-MAIL ------------------------------------- Your registration to NYTimes.com included permission to send you information about new features and services. As a member of the BBBOnline Privacy Program and the TRUSTe privacy program, we are committed to protecting your privacy. To unsubscribe from future mailings, visit: http://www.nytimes.com/unsubscribe To change your e-mail address, please go to our help center: http://www.nytimes.com/help Suggestions and feedback are welcome at: feedback(a)nytimes.com

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Recovery > It will take years...
by clarke 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

I live in New York City and I can tell you, we had not fully recovered from the World Trade Center bombing in 1993. It will take years for a recovery in New York City. It's 3:39am and over the last 45 minutes I've seen and heard at least 4 jets flying overhead. Since the FAA has suspended all air traffic, by looking at the speed and hearing the sound I can only guess these are fighter pilots. Clarke

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Fwd: power saving tip on GSRs - pls fwd
by Sean Donelan 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

A suggestion on how to reduce power consumption ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Subject: power saving tip on GSRs - pls fwd To: sean(a)donelan.com From: Eric Osborne <eosborne(a)cisco.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:42:59 -0400 I don't think I have nanog-post capability, so I'm passing this on to you in order to share with the rest of the world; please pass on as you like. For folks concerned about power usage (i.e. buildings near WTC running on generator), 'hw-module slot <x> shut' on GSRs will power down a given linecard. This is useful for those whose LCs are installed but not in use. Of course, don't use this if you have one or more ports in use on an LC. 'sh led' will then show 'SLOT x : DOWNADMN' 'no hw-mod slot <x> shut' turns power back on. Supported command, too, unlike the 'test ...' sequence that does almost the same thing. Share and enjoy. eric ------- End of forwarded message -------

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60 Hudson Evacuation ?
by Randy Neals 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

It has been reported to us that 60 Hudson was evacuated and is now behind the security perimeter. Can anyone substantiate this? Current new releases from ConEdison indicate 60 Hudson is not within the grid outages listed. Have there been any changes this morning? -Randy

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Not all Men In Black work for the Government (was Re: Carnivore)
by Sean Donelan 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

On Wed, 12 September 2001, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,46747,00.html > > How many have installed it? >From what little I know about Carnivore, there are a few odd elements in that story. However, I would point out people have impersonated law enforcement officers in the past in order to gain access to facilities. "Real" law enforcement should never have a problem with you calling a lawyer or contacting the FBI/DOJ to verify their credentials. Use the phone number in the telephone book, not the one on their business card. The Carnivore box is rather limited, and comes with a lot of paperwork. And in all cases, the government must pay for any service they use (circuits, time and materials). If nothing else, there were be paperwork for were to send the bill. There is no "emergency" where law enforcement can't get a judge or other proper authority in time. FBI agents are fairly well trained, and most have a high degree of respect for the law. I've talked to several members of the technical branch, and they've all told me they are willing wait while the lawyers decide what they can and can't do. "Real" law enforcement won't object to you calling your lawyer, and often will assist you contacting your lawyer to speed up the process. If the Men In Black won't let you talk to a lawyer, somethings wrong. The last thing I think the FBI wants to do is trash someone's network, *again*.

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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
by Dave O'Shea 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Federal penitentiaries have among the best security in the world, and use highly invasive searches combined with a very limited access policy and severe limitations about what may be brought into a prison. Weapons, edged and blunt, are still quite common. Any security policy that doesn't put into place measures to deal with threats as they arise is ineffective by definition. Talking sternly to the offender is of questionable value when the offender is a crabby stockbroker annoyed about the inflight meal. Personally, I have a ticket to fly somewhere next week that I purchased for the dirt-cheap price of $140 round-trip. I'm beginning to think I'd be much happier spending twice that to fly on a half-empty plane with a couple of really short-tempered marines sitting towards the back of the plane. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Day [mailto:toasty@temphost.dragondata.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:43 PM > To: John Fraizer > Cc: David Howe; Email List: nanog > Subject: Re: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, David Howe wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are mechanisms in place that would detect this type of > > > > behavior. (Prebooking multiple flights for the same > individual.) > > > Does a domestic flight require a passport or other form > of positive ID? > > > if not, they could book as many tickets as needed with a > different name per > > > ticket. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Photo identification to get your tickets, period, the end. > > Not necessarily. I've boarded planes several times without > showing a piece > of ID. With the new automated check-in kiosks in several > airports, if you > have no luggage to check-in, you don't see a person at all.. > (You still do > need a credit card in your name though) Both times I left Houston-Bush > International, I had my tickets printed and checked in by > only telling the > attendant my name. (I thought it was very strange, but didn't > question it) > > Many really small regional airports allow you to board > without going through > metal detectors/bag x-rays. Once you get off the plane at the > destination(larger airport) you're behind the "secure" zone, > and can also > board another flight without going through one. > > I'm not saying that these kinds of things are what caused yesterday's > events, or that whoever did this didn't use fake ID's, so I'm > not sure that > strictly enforcing this sort of thing would have mattered anyway. > > > -- Kevin > > >

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RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof
by Borchers, Mark 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

The best airport security is considered the Israeli airport security organization. A recent article in a travel magazine followed a security expert through the airport as he intentionally did things to "trip" the multiple layers of security. It relies more on trained humans than technology. Of course, the US aviation community is certainly well aware of this, so it is probably not necessary to present solutions to the problems of airport security on NANOG. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave O'Shea [mailto:doshea@telentente.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 2:44 PM > To: Kevin Day; John Fraizer > Cc: David Howe; Email List: nanog > Subject: RE: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof > > > > Federal penitentiaries have among the best security in the world, and > use highly invasive searches combined with a very limited > access policy > and severe limitations about what may be brought into a > prison. Weapons, > edged and blunt, are still quite common. > > Any security policy that doesn't put into place measures to deal with > threats as they arise is ineffective by definition. Talking sternly to > the offender is of questionable value when the offender is a crabby > stockbroker annoyed about the inflight meal. > > Personally, I have a ticket to fly somewhere next week that I > purchased > for the dirt-cheap price of $140 round-trip. I'm beginning to > think I'd > be much happier spending twice that to fly on a half-empty > plane with a > couple of really short-tempered marines sitting towards the > back of the > plane. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Day [mailto:toasty@temphost.dragondata.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:43 PM > > To: John Fraizer > > Cc: David Howe; Email List: nanog > > Subject: Re: Analysis from a JHU CS Prof > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Sep 2001, David Howe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are mechanisms in place that would detect this type of > > > > > behavior. (Prebooking multiple flights for the same > > individual.) > > > > Does a domestic flight require a passport or other form > > of positive ID? > > > > if not, they could book as many tickets as needed with a > > different name per > > > > ticket. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. Photo identification to get your tickets, period, the end. > > > > Not necessarily. I've boarded planes several times without > > showing a piece > > of ID. With the new automated check-in kiosks in several > > airports, if you > > have no luggage to check-in, you don't see a person at all.. > > (You still do > > need a credit card in your name though) Both times I left > Houston-Bush > > International, I had my tickets printed and checked in by > > only telling the > > attendant my name. (I thought it was very strange, but didn't > > question it) > > > > Many really small regional airports allow you to board > > without going through > > metal detectors/bag x-rays. Once you get off the plane at the > > destination(larger airport) you're behind the "secure" zone, > > and can also > > board another flight without going through one. > > > > I'm not saying that these kinds of things are what caused > yesterday's > > events, or that whoever did this didn't use fake ID's, so I'm > > not sure that > > strictly enforcing this sort of thing would have mattered anyway. > > > > > > -- Kevin > > > > > > >

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RE: unblock communications
by Joe Blanchard 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

Steven J. Sobol Wrote: >This is my second and final post. Susan, could you please consider >removing Mr. Halmu from the list? I'd like to second that motion. Please consider removing Mr. Halmu from this list. I believe it is in VERY poor taste professionally, or otherwise, to try and capitalize or promote ones personal gains during such events. Simply uncalled for. God bless those victims of this unthinkable tragedy, my prayers are with them and there families. -Joe Blanchard On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, E.B. Dreger wrote: > > Mitch, you're disgusting. I wasn't going to dignify your post > with a response, but I will "me too". To use this to push your > private agenda is unthinkable. I should copy the ultimate > flame, but not even that is sufficient. > > I do, however, refuse to dignify your post with an argument. > Consider Godwin invoked -- and then some. > > My only post on the matter. >

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EAS stations to remain on standby
by Sean Donelan 12 Sep '01

12 Sep '01

FEMA has requested the primary EAS stations around the country to continue at their current state of heightened readiness. GREETINGS: I HAVE BEEN DIRECTED TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT POSTURE AT THE PRIMARY ENTRY POINT STATIONS. ALL TESTING OF PEP STATIONS, EQUIPMENT AND PROCEDURES IS SUSPENDED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE SUSPENSION OF ALL REGIONAL, STATE, AND LOCAL TESTING AS WELL. THREE REASONS FOR THIS ACTION: 1) THE PUBLIC MAY MISINTERPRET THE EAS TEST FOR A REAL EVENT, 2) EMOTIONS ARE RUNNING VERY HIGH AT THIS TIME, WE NEED TO PROVIDE A CALMING INFLUENCE, 3) SHOULD THE EAS NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, AT ANY LEVEL, THE CHANNELS OF COMMUNICATION NEED TO BE AVAILABLE TO CARRY EMERGENCY TRAFFIC NOT TEST MESSAGES. I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY THANKS TO ALL WHO ARE MANNING THE STATIONS. I KNOW IT IS A SACRIFICE, AND YOU WOULD RATHER BE WITH YOUR FAMILIES AND DEAR ONES, BUT YOUR SERVICE TO THE NATION IS IMPORTANT AND APPRECIATED. THANKS AGAIN FOR A JOB YOU ARE DOING VERY WELL. PUTPRUSH SENDS TIMOTHY L. PUTPRUSH, FEMA PEP PROJECT MANAGER

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