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RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
by Michel Py 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

> Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > because legislating in the 'USA' something that is clearly > 'global' has worked so well? politicians looking to get: > 1) votes > 2) 'political bang for the buck' > 3) useless hot air blown up someone's rear > really need to stop trying to legislate behaviour in places > they can't touch... To repeat: "If you make <currently legal > Internet thing> illegal in the US, I'll just move my > <currently legal Internet thing> OUTSIDE the US Borders and > give you the middle finger as a salute." I totally agree, but have you ever met politicians that are _not_ looking to get 1) votes 2) 'political bang for the buck' 3) useless hot air blown up someone's rear? All of these are part of the job description. > Dan Hollis wrote: > the cynic in me says that the senator is looking for our > arguments in favor of p2p, so that she knows exactly how > to argue against us and exactly how to write a bill to > hurt us the most. Ah, that would be the politically correct way of expressing what I posted yesterday! > Joe Johnson wrote: > All this hit here in Illinois when the Super DCMA took effect, and > it technically became illegal to use a router in your home (as the > Illinois DCMA restricts the ability to hide the source or > destination of any electronic communication, kinda like NAT). > I certainly didn't pull NAT off my home or my office connections! > I think no one has been called down (e.g., no one has challenged) > on the law, but I could be arrested at any time for running a > basic Netgear router on my broadband at home. Fortunately for you, legislation passed by incompetent and stupid people 1) rarely gets enforced 2) even when it does, the odds of being among the few ones nailed for using a NAT box on your residential home connection are lower than winning the lottery of being struck by lightning. Some pieces of legislation are useful (such as the junk fax law or the do-not-call list) and some other that are idiotic (such as what you mentioned). > Jeff Wheeler wrote: > Not that I have any idea of MS's software activation can > translate in to protection of CDs and DVDs and whatnot, > but it's something to think about (it's certainly better > than the current mechanisms: copy once and never again, > or copy only digital files that are of a degraded quality, > or only playable on certain players to prevent copying > via a computer, among I'm sure many others). I see no future here. All attempts to protect content have miserably failed so far, as there have enough people that have perfectly legitimate reasons to break the protection. Some examples: 1) DVD zoning (nothing easier to de-zone most DVD players). I have a perfectly legitimate reason to break this stupidity: I go to France and buy a French movie in French on DVD, I can't watch it back at home. Friends visit from Luxemburg and bring movies, we can't watch them either. Even if I wanted to buy these movies, I can't, as they have not been dubbed in English and are not available in Zone1 format. This pushes me to either de-zone my DVD player, DeCSS the disc, or use this 3 megabit broadband to download a copy. Stupid. 2) Make audio CD's unreadable in a computer so nobody can rip the .wav tracks to .mp3. Totally stupid: 2.a) Remember the last ones that tried (namely Sony)? Their protection scheme could be defeated in 2 seconds with a sharpie. I'm still laughing at it. Hara-kiri comes to mind. 2.b) Even if someone could prevent audio CDs to be read in a computer (see above) it takes only _one_ person to leak the files (as demonstrated some time ago by a Madonna record leaked days before it went to manufacturing). 2.c) Anyway, given the audio quality of standard gear today, a single digital.wav -> analog -> digital.mp3 pass is not going to degrade the audio quality enough to bother anybody. In other words: connect a good CD player to a PC with a good soundcard with a grounded gold-plated cable and rip to .mp3 from the analog input, nobody will know that it's not a direct CD audio track to .mp3 rip. 3. Finally, and although it is true that copyright infringement is very often associated with P2P, I found myself downloading a lot of .mp3 files that I actually own on LP, simply because it's faster to download the file than it is to rip it from the LP (I know because I tried: I actually have a few CDs that I ripped myself from the LP). I bought the 33 1/3 album, I am entitled to a backup on another media. Michel.

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More on Sri Lanka fiber outage....
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Via: http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_965656,00050002.htm Sri Lanka court holds back Indian ship, seeks $5mn in damages Press Trust of India Colombo, August 23 A Sri Lankan court ordered that an Indian ship, which allegedly damaged a submarine cable severing the island's main internet access with the rest of the world, be held at the port of Colombo till a case seeking five million US dollars in damages was settled. The Colombo district court ordered that the vessel, 'State of Nagaland' be held at the port where it is currently anchored until the case filed by Sri Lanka Telecom is heard on September 6. SLT, the island's main telecommunications provider said they want five million dollars in damages and that internet, international dialling and data services of 800,000 subscribers had been affected since yesterday. The ship is alleged to have dropped anchor and damaged the SEA-ME-WE III cable linking Sri Lanka to the internet backbone. Services will remain interrupted for at least another day or two until a repair ship carries out its work. 8<----------- snip ----------- - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net

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Oct. NANOG - hotel? At the two month marker now.
by ren 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hi folks, Could someone with the hotel location data for the 17-19 Oct NANOG please email me? 'Reston, VA' got rejected as not specific enough for the travel authorization. http://www.nanog.org/ & http://www.arin.net/ only list Reston, VA. Thanks, -ren

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Re: OT: Politics
by list-nanog＠dragon.net 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

gking> Quick show of hands, of the American citizens in here (of legal gking> voting age), how many of you will be going to the polls to cast a gking> vote for president this November? And which candidate are you gking> voting for? Mail me in private and I'll summarize the results on gking> the list. lou> Can we send this information through an anonymizer, or do we have lou> to trust Gmail to not scan the E-mail and correlate the opinion lou> with our E-mail address? Please don't feed the troll... Can't we talk about spam or verisign or something else more likely to be on topic and bring accord than politics?

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OT: Politics
by Gary King 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

Quick show of hands, of the American citizens in here (of legal voting age), how many of you will be going to the polls to cast a vote for president this November? And which candidate are you voting for? Mail me in private and I'll summarize the results on the list.

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RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
by Dave Hilton 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

To those of "authority", single-point-of-failure equates to "centralized control". With the word control in large neon capital letters. Dave Hilton Staff System Administrator entelos(r) Foster City, CA "Notice: I tend to become apprehensive when my position in the food chain becomes ambiguous." -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Erik Parker Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:07 PM To: Simon Waters Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Surely the big benefits of peer to peer is it takes control way from > the center - which will never go down well in Washington when the big > Digital Publishers are being so successful at pushing through > legislation via WIPO etc. If they want to start back pedaling, perhaps we should switch to a star physical topology instead of mesh.. put the center of the star dead center in Washington where they can baby sit, run a petabit Carnivore system on it, and let corporations with enough money have their weight put on how things are run. After all.. it is bad design typically to use a star topology for physical networks.. because of one huge single point of failure.. P2P is the ultimate mesh protocol to run on the global mesh network. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFBNMx1xBpDNCKu9WMRAmf6AJsEH1HL7++I5i8nvR4XaP1IlExqQwCgj8wJ C188jcskO0knEdC/YD/KZUk= =lgiU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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DNS Weather Report 2004-08-31
by Daniel Roesen 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

[re-sent to NANOG alone... obviously Merit is filtering crossposts selectively, so neither last weeks report, nor this one got through] DNS WEATHER REPORT for selected infrastructure zones ==================================================== Issue 2004-08-31 Zones analyzed and their SOA contacts: - . - arpa. nstld(a)verisign-grs.com - int. noc(a)icann.org - in-addr.arpa bind(a)arin.net - ip6.arpa. hostmaster(a)icann.org - ip6.int. hostmaster(a)ep.net [Operators: please let me know wether you do want a copy when there's no problem with your zone(s) or not. Don't want to annoy anyone unnecessarily!] Executive summary: * m.root out-of-sync problem got fixed within one hour after I've sent out report 2004-08-24. Thanks WIDE! * The INT problem with the non-matching NS RRset (in-zone and delegation) was also fixed. Unfortunately ns.isi.edu is _still_ out of sync. * The IP6.ARPA NS RRset discrepancy got worse over the last week. * ns.isi.edu is _still_ auth for IP6.INT where it shouldn't be. The state of the root zone =========================== fine! The state of the ARPA zone ========================== fine! The state of the INT zone ========================= - ns.isi.edu is not in sync with the other nameservers Current SOA serial of the INT TLD: 2004082300, ns.isi.edu has still 2002080104 and is publishing stale data (e.g. an old NS RRset for the zone). Problem exists since at least 2004-08-24 The state of the IN-ADDR.ARPA zone ================================== fine! The state of the IP6.ARPA zone ============================== - in-zone NS RRset doesn't match the delegation NS RRset. in-zone RRset: delegation RRset: ---------------- ----------------- ns.apnic.net. ns.apnic.net. ns.icann.org. ns.icann.org. ns-sec.ripe.net. ns.ripe.net. tinnie.arin.net. tinnie.arin.net. ns.lacnic.net. Problem known, RIPE sent a reminder to ip6.arpa operators two weeks ago, obviously without any outcome. Since the last DNS weather report last week, ns.lacnic.net. was added. Looks like now at least two change requests for the ip6.arpa delegation are pending. Problem exists since in various degrees since at least 2004-08-24 The state of the IP6.INT zone ============================= - ns.isi.edu (one of the INT TLD servers) feels authoritative for the IP6.INT zone, but is neither listed in the delegation NS RRset, nor in the in-zone NS RRset of IP6.INT. Luckily, ns.isi.edu carries ip6.int with the same SOA serial as the official servers, so induces no operational problems so far. Problem exists since at least 2004-08-24 Regards, Daniel

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Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
by Simon Waters 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Surely the big benefits of peer to peer is it takes control way from the center - which will never go down well in Washington when the big Digital Publishers are being so successful at pushing through legislation via WIPO etc. The truely novel P2P systems are only just appearing, but already networks like freenet are largely immune to the slashdot type effect, although last time I tried it, it would self destruct at now and then for no obvious reason. I don't think the politicians will like things like freenet when they finally understand what it is intended to do, but I'm still explaining bits of it to geeks so they are safe for a bit. Chess over freenet was working last time I tried it, but winning against a truely anonymous opponent is less rewarding that beating someone you know, if only vaguely. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Using GnuPG with Debian - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBNLF1GFXfHI9FVgYRAvb9AJwMjBTJKkREMlqE1we5h5OF/veuPACeMHeC tgS4LwbP9+DDlJIAYHeW0hQ= =1hk1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: optics pricing (Re: Weird GigE Media Converter Behavior)
by Michel Py 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

> Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > If the VSR card was $899k, the SR card was $999k and the LR > card was $1099 you wouldn't hear any complaints from me. That's even worse than the current prices! Given that the VSR is currently 330k, the SR could be 450k and the IR 500k. > It's the fact that Cisco is reselling optics (which > is not their core business as far as I see it) at a > huge markup that is bothering me. Grow up; when you buy a Saab "brand" part or option for a Saab car, it costs twice as much as the same aftermarket part, which still is twice as much as what you could get if you bought a box of 10 directly from the manufacturer, which is twice as much as it costs them to manufacture overseas. Everyone does that. Besides, there's nothing new about Cisco doing it, they've always have. DRAM and Flash is not their core business either, and they have sold both for 20 times the street price just because they built a proprietary connector. Then some smart @55 at Kingston and Viking figured out if Micron could manufacture the Cisco part so could they and that there was tons of money to make and they begun to sell memory for "only" twice as much as it could be, which in turn caused Cisco memory to drop to "only" 4 times the price of regular. Economics 101. Cisco (and many other vendors, BTW) are not charities. Their purpose is to make investors and shareholders (which includes me) happy. And yes, this includes reselling OEM hardware at astronomical prices when they can, because it never lasts long. Michel.

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RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
by Michel Py 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

> Matthew McGehrin wrote: > Tell her to kiss my white ass. Be careful what you wish for. This is exactly what politicians do for a living, and some happen to have a strong enough tongue to rip you a new one. Michel.

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