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RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
by J. Oquendo 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

<ranting lunatic> SP2 will take a long time to even out the quirks from Windows users. We've burned the image on to a CD for about 2000+ users and have copied the file on to users' desktops so they can double click on it for the install. For the most part, students complained about having to wait for over (and this is my averaged time) 40 minutes for the SP to install and do its pseudomagic. After some of the installs, IT began getting flooded with calls over conflicts on some of the software they'd been using. Seems like SP2 did not back up all of the necessary drivers or something in order to make the system function as it did pre-upgrade. While rambling on about SP2, I'd like to point out (as if most didn't know this anyway) that MS' answer to their problems are not going to be solved with shoddy patching. For example, the average person wants to be online, and be online right now, so what the hell do they care about firewalls, etc., this is realistic. Sure SP2 looks like a winner since it's pretty, but it's also annoying to an extent. The balloon popups on the corner do nothing to "strike fear" in a user by telling them "Your computer is not safe" in fact, I'm betting the majority of mom and pops over 45 won't bother turning on their firewalls, nor utilizing any antivirus software. In fact I bet most will turn off those notices when they figure it out. Oddly I can see people figuring out how to turn off those messages as opposed to figuring out how to properly keep their machines safe. Ironic isn't it. Considering there are free antivirus programs out there which do a pretty good job at keeping a system clean, it's sad to see that overblown commercialized products such as Norton Internet Security, McAfee and others have made people despise using security software. This comes from my experience talking with people who for one, just want to get online NOW NOW NOW, secondly, having dealt with all sorts of Outlook, Outlook Express, and other connectivity issues because Norton or McAfee thinks everything and its mother is a threat. This does not include the (l)users who just don't seem to comprehend some of the dangers of having a vulnerable machine online. Oh well... As for the deployment in a big shop, things will be quirky unless you write your own scripts to ensure MS didn't screw your company's set-ups. We had to make a VB disk for users in order to make sure they had up to date antivirus software, and to make sure they had the correct settings to do their work. <ranting lunatic> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x51F9D78D Fingerprint 2A48 BA18 1851 4C99 CA22 0619 DB63 F2F7 51F9 D78D http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x51F9D78D sil @ politrix . org http://www.politrix.org sil @ infiltrated . net http://www.infiltrated.net "How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster?" Joseph McCarthy "America's Retreat from Victory"

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Re: Are AOL's MXs mass rejecting anyone else's emails?
by rwcrowe＠comcast.net 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Just a suggestion, but make sure that your mail servers have the correct reverse DNS. AOL has been rejecting mail for any mail servers that have incorrect or no reverse DNS entries. -- Rob Crowe rwcrowe(a)comcast.net -------------- Original message -------------- > > We're currently getting this from AOL MX servers: > > > > 64.12.138.57 failed after I sent the message. > > Remote host said: 554-: (RLY:FA) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554r > lyfa.html > > 554 TRANSACTION FAILED > > > > Yet, after viewing their alleged reason for rejecting the mail, we can find > nothing wrong with our mail headers. Wondering if this is a bug on AOL's s > ide or if anyone else has encountered/fixed this issue to stop the bouncing > mail? > > > > -Andrew

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Seeking abuse contact for 142.177.73.59
by Dave Dennis 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Greetings, Attempting to locate someone in authority for ip 142.177.73.59. Was referred to abuse(a)alliant.com, but mail to that address bounces after rattling around inside Exchange for a bit. Mail to abuse(a)alliant.net also bounces, with a different message. Was referred to abuse@alliant by voice message at 1-506-694-6270 . Was referred there by person working for Bell.CA at +1-613-781-9095, where i got to where i whois'd the ip originally. Anyone have actual working abuse contact for this IP, is welcome to email me off list. Thanks! +------------------------- + Dave Dennis + Seattle, WA + dmd(a)speakeasy.org + http://www.dmdennis.com +-------------------------

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DOJ Opposes ALLTELL petition
by Hannigan, Martin 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Folks, operational value is CALEA compliance. FYI. Note: Randy Bush has generously contributed cycles to a list at PSG.COM to engage in lawful intercept discussions (technical/psuedo-legal) that are off-topic to NANOG. If enough people indicate interest in a private followup, I'll summarize and announce back to the list. The U.S. Department of Justice filed a Statement of Non-Support with the FCC on August 18, 2004, opposing the February 4, 2004 petition of ALLTEL Communications, Inc. ("ALLTEL") to extend the CALEA compliance deadline to January 30, 2006, for its packet-mode communications. Specifically, DOJ opposes the granting of any further extensions of the CALEA packet-mode compliance deadline for ALLTEL's "Touch2Talk" push-to-talk service. http://www.askcalea.net/lefilings.html Our AskCALEA Forums are continuously updated with new important information in your area of interest. -- Martin Hannigan (c) 617-388-2663 VeriSign, Inc. (w) 703-948-7018 Network Engineer IV Operations & Infrastructure hannigan(a)verisign.com

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Hurricane Frances telecommunication outages
by Sean Donelan 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Florida EOC reports 1.1 million wireline customer outages state-wide. 30% cell phone coverage outage reported. Coordinating communication set up for priority T1 lines, POTS, DSL etc. Bellsouth: 775,000 customer outages statewide (13.1% without service) Palm Beach, Indian River, St. Lucie and Martin Counties: (29.5%) Orange, Brevard and Volusia Counties: (19.5%) Plus other outages in various service areas Sprint: 174,000 (central and southern Florida) Verizon: 8,100 Adelphia Cable: evaluating damage Comcast TV Cable: evaluating damage

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RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
by Michel Py 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Nanog folk, Last week, I downloaded XP2 SP2 on one the major P2P networks (eDonkey). Preliminary/FYI: None of the large organizations I am involved with has deployed SP2 on a large scale yet. Users that request it will likely get it (from a share on a corporate server that is); some organizations are also testing their SP2 image by rolling out some of the new PCs with SP2; help desks are still building FAQs about it as problems generated by early adopters pop in. I expect most to push it to the desktop with SMS or similar within a month. Hard facts: - The P2P download took two hours. Ymmv. - The file was legit (I did a binary compare with the original; matches). The file I downloaded is WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe. This is the full install; the slower your connection to the net is the more you want to download this only one-time and make it available locally and burn a CD with it. - The original file has been available from Microsoft for at least three weeks free of charge, no need for any kind of signup. Comments: - If I did not have the original file I would not have know which one to grab. The most distributed files were complete slipstreams, not SP only (I selected the best file of matching size). - Two hours for 266 MB is not too shabby in the absolute, but the original downloaded in less than 15 minutes from home each time and tried and a lot less from the office depending where I was. - On some P2P systems this kind of download speed can typically be achieved only by sharing files to get a good U/L ratio. People that don't share files would get at the end of the queue. - I typically get much better download speeds while sharing than people with an el-cheapo router because I QOS the upstream; one of the annoyances of sharing files is that it will tend to clog the upstream making even surfing rather painful. - Downloading with P2P requests installing a client and possibly poking holes in the NAT/Firewall. - There is a trust issue. When the file I get is from Microsoft from a download that I initiated myself not by clicking on a link provided by someone else, I would tend to trust it. OTOH, all P2P systems feature large amounts of illegal contents, including some that does not even exist (Norton utilities 2004, anyone?). - I never experienced nor heard any significant pipe clogging because of SP2. Contrary to some FUD propagated earlier there was no operational issue as a consequence of the download process. Conclusion: I did not see any advantage of using P2P to download XP SP2 and several drawbacks. I will continue to download patches directly from vendors. Michel.

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Forum Commemorating the 35th Anniversary of the Internet
by Scott Weeks 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

: From: Fergie (Paul Ferguson) : Date: Sun Aug 29 14:13:09 2004 : : "Thirty-five years after computer scientists at UCLA linked two bulky : computers using a 15-foot gray cable, testing a new way to exchange data : over networks, what would ultimately become the Internet remains a work : in progress." : : http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/08/29/internet.birthday.ap/index.html Hello Everyone, I want to point out that there is a special forum commemorating the 35th anniversary of the internet at UCLA on Oct 29th. I guess some consider the birth of the internet as communication between two computers at different sites through the IMPs instead of just the first communication between the UCLA computer and IMP #1, which is still in Dr. Leonard Kleinrock's office. I would tend to agree with Dr Klienrock's web page, though, which says of Sept 2, 1969: Fortunately, the team had done its job well and bits began moving between the UCLA computer and the IMP that same day. By the next day they had messages moving between the machines. THUS WAS BORN THE ARPANET, AND THE COMMUNITY WHICH HAS NOW BECOME THE INTERNET! A link to the event: http://internetanniversary.cs.ucla.edu Hope to see a lot of you there... scott ...and The Thing said "lo". It crashed on "g". :-)

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TDM over IP products
by Sam Stickland 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Hi, I'm interested in experiences (good and bad) that people have had with various TDM over IP products. If people can reply off-list I'll post a summary to the list in a day or two. Sam

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292 cellular towers out of service due to generator failure
by Sean Donelan 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Due to a generator failure, 292 Sprint wireless towers in Polk, Pasco, Hillsborough, Pinellas, Manatee, Hardee, Sarasota and Charlotte counties were disrupted. There is no estimated time for restoration of power to the Sprint switch serving the towers.

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Fwd: APRICOT 2005 Fellowship and CFP Announcement
by Bill Manning 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

From Philip Smith. Begin forwarded message: > > Subject: APRICOT 2005 Fellowship and CFP Announcement > > Hi everyone, > > Please find below the call for presentations and tutorials for the > APRICOT 2005 conference in Kyoto, Japan. > > philip > -- > > CALL FOR APRICOT 2005 CONFERENCE PRESENTATIONS AND TUTORIALS > (Asia Pacific Regional Internet Conference on Operational Technologies) > 16-25 February 2005 > Kyoto International Conference Hall (KICH) > Kyoto, Japan > > The APRICOT 2005 Program Committee is seeking contributors to the > program. > > We are looking for people who would like to: > > * Offer a technical tutorial on an appropriate topic; and/or > * Participate in the technical conference sessions as a speaker. > * Convene and chair a Birds of a Feather (BOF) session. > > You can make a proposal by completing the online form at > http://www.2005.apricot.net/cfp.html > > SCHEDULE > > 3 September 2004: Call for Papers Announcement > 27 September 2004: All Proposed Session Presentations and Tutorials > Submitted > 12 October 2004: Presentations and Tutorials Selected and Announced > 25 October 2004: Presentation Titles and Abstracts Submitted > > 4 February 2005: All Speaker Presentation Materials Submitted for > Review > 21 February to 22 February 2005: Tutorials > 23 February to 24 February 2005: Conference > > PROGRAM TOPICS > > Tutorial and Technical Conference Session topics which have been > designated for this year, include: > > Tutorial: > Wireless Infrastructure > Broadcast and Contents Delivery > Internet Backbone Operations > MPLS and Traffic Engineering > Enterprise Security > Broadband Network Design > InterConnections and Peering > Intranet Operations > Enterprise Network IPv6 Transition > DNS Operations > Internet Telephony > > Conference: > Internet Telephony (organized by APEET) > IPv6 - Transition/Network Services/Applications (organized by > APIPv6TF) > Asia Pacific Peering > Security Incident Handling (organized by APCERT) > Anti-Spam and Net Abuse (organized by APCAUCE) > Internet Routing and Backbone Operations > > The program committee will consider proposals in any of these areas, > and also in new areas. If you have an idea for a tutorial or session > subject that is not listed, please feel free to submit it to us. > When considering a subject, remember that the APRICOT audience is > mainly > comprised of technical network operators and engineers with a wide > range > of experience levels from beginners to multi-year experience. > > IMPORTANT NOTE > > APRICOT is a TECHNICAL conference. > The program committee is charged with maintaining the technical > standard > of APRICOT, and will therefore not accept inappropriate materials. > It is the expectation of both the selection committee and the audience > that the presenter be a technical professional not a marketing or sales > person. > > TUTORIALS > > Tutorials are full-day workshops (4 sessions of 90 min. in length) > which > focus on a particular subject in-depth. They may be presented by a > single Instructor, or a team of instructors working together. You can > propose a tutorial by completing the online form at > http://www.2005.apricot.net/cfp.html > > TECHNICAL CONFERENCE SESSIONS > > The APRICOT Technical Conference Schedule is made up of 1.5 hour > conference sessions, each including up to 3 speakers (therefore > allowing 20-30 minutes per speaker). Sessions are chaired by persons of > appropriate expertise in the subject matter of the session, and will > include ample time for questions from the audience. If you would like > to > propose a presentation, complete the online form at > http://www.2005.apricot.net/cfp.html > > FUNDING AND SUPPORT > > Only in exceptional circumstances of hardship will APRICOT be able to > consider assisting with travel expenses of conference speakers or > tutorial instructors. Registration fees will be waived for presenters > to > attend the portion of the program they are speaking in. > > MAKING A PROPOSAL AS A SPEAKER, INSTRUCTOR > > If you would like to be considered as a tutorial instructor or > conference session speaker, please complete the online form at > http://www.2005.apricot.net/cfp.html BEFORE 27 September 2004. > > The following information will be requested on the online form. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > 1. SPEAKER PERSONAL INFORMATION > > First (Given) Name: > Middle Name: > Last (Family) Name: > Title: > Company / School / Affiliation: > Organization URL: > Country: > email: > Personal URL: > > Short Bio (please include enough information that we can determine that > you are a qualified speaker on this subject): > > 2. PROPOSAL CONTENT > > Tutorial or Technical Conference Session Presentation > (choose one for each submission): > > Subject (Choose one from): > > Tutorial: > Wireless Infrastructure > Broadcast and Contents Delivery > Internet Backbone Operations > MPLS and Traffic Engineering > Enterprise Security > Broadband Network Design > InterConnections and Peering > Intranet Operations > Enterprise Network > IPv6 Transition > DNS Operations > Internet Telephony > > Conference: > Internet Telephony (organized by APEET) > IPv6 - Transition/Network Services/Applications (organized by > APIPv6TF) > Asia Pacific Peering > Security Incident Handling (organized by APCERT) > Anti-Spam and Net Abuse (organized by APCAUCE) > Internet Routing and Backbone Operations > > Other: (Describe :_____________________) > > Title of Entry: > > Level of Material (Introductory, Intermediate, Advanced): > > Abstract of Entry: > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > CONTACT > More information on APRICOT 2005 is available at > http:/www.2005.apricot.net. If you are interested in further > information > on the APRICOT 2005 program and call for papers, please contact the > APRICOT 2005 Program Committee at <apricot2005-cfp(a)e-side.co.jp>. >

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