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"Intel calls for Internet overhaul"
by Paul Vixie 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

update SAN FRANCISCO--The Internet needs to be upgraded with a new layer of abilities that will deal with imminent problems of capacity, security and reliability, Intel Chief Technology Officer Pat Gelsinger said Thursday. Gelsinger pointed to PlanetLab, an experimental network that sits on top of the Internet, as a step in the right direction. Hewlett-Packard and Intel have begun work trying to commercialize the project, which was started in 2002, in order to overlay the Internet with intelligence and adaptability. [...] http://news.com.com/Intel+calls+for+Internet+overhaul/2100-1006_3-5359743.h…

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Re: Re: ISP Policies
by Rohit Gupta 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

James, So this provider would select the path with the longer AS_PATH length and would advertise this one to its peers (if any). I believe then its for the others to decide if they want to take this route or not. Is my understanding correct? Thanks, Rohit Mtech Comp Sc. Institute of Technology Banaras Hindu University ----- Original Message ----- From: "James" To: "Rohit Gupta" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 11:42 AM Subject: Re: ISP Policies On Fri, Sep 10, 2004 at 11:36:58AM +0530, Rohit Gupta wrote: On a related note : Do ISPs ever tweak around with Local Prefs and weights so as to select BGP paths with greater AS PATH length? Would it ever make sense for a provider to chose a longer AS PATH length BGP route against a shorter AS PATH length route? Yes many do - Prefer your customer routes via customer interfaces, over transit and peering interfaces. Higher LP over cust interfaces = more bits = more revenue. There is nothing wrong with this IMO, considering many of them who do this, also provide a community for customers to override this behaviour. Indiatimes Email now powered by APIC Advantage. Help! HelpClick on the image to chat with me

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Restoration after Hurricane Frances
by Sean Donelan 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

In Florida after Hurricane Frances: 17 fatalities attributed to the Hurricane and its affects. Wireless companies are reporting 95% service restoration statewide. Wireline companies have restored over half of the damaged lines statewide. Bellsouth: 385,000 and Sprint: 177,000 out of service. No figures available from other individual wireline companies. Adelphia reported it had restored 68% of its service. Comcast reports "significant progress." I heard of no reports of damage to any major co-location or Internet data center in Florida due to Hurricane Frances. NASA shutdown at least a portion of its computer networks at the Kennedy Space Center in advance of Hurricane Frances. Next up, Hurricane Ivan. The lower Florida Keys have evacuation orders for non-residents, RV's, boats and parks starting on September 10.

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Verizon Sr. Manager in the NY/NJ Metro area
by Mike Sawicki 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Anyone know the name/contact information of a relatively high Sr. manager at Verizon involved in their high-cap provisioning in the NY/NJ metro region? I have a dedicated t1 going on its 4th month on the books without being provisioned properly. Please reply offlist .. thanks. Mike Sawicki (fifi(a)HAX.ORG)

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OT: The bubble and the economy
by Conrad Watson 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

Hi, I am preparing to write a research paper for my economics class on the effect of the internet bubble and burst on the economy. Also, what part (if any) it played in the most recent recession. If anyone could point me to any sites with data on the economy at the time and after I would really appreciate it. I haven't looked myself yet but I wanted to try to run it by you guys first and see if I can get a good starting point. With all the opinions on this list, I'm sure someone will give me a place to start. Thank you. Conrad

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New IANA IPv6 allocation for RIPE NCC (2001:5000::/20)
by Doug Barton 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following eight (8) IPv6 /23 blocks to the RIPE NCC: 2001:5000::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:5200::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:5400::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:5600::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:5800::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:5A00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:5C00::/23 RIPE NCC 2001:5E00::/23 RIPE NCC For a full list of IANA IPv6 allocations please see: <http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-tla-assignments> - -- Doug Barton General Manager, The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBQMQKwtDPyTesBYwRApYAAJ9Hcp2S2wPrTHIh4pGE3jGR3YHdKwCdG2KB 8U+gB3PS1sW5nrAtkW8hllY= =4TnN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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who's next?
by Paul Vixie 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

in <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3634572.stm> we see: Campaigners against spam on the internet have won a major battle against the world's second largest internet service provider. US firm Savvis was allegedly earning up to $2 million a month from 148 of the world's worst spammers, a former employee had claimed. Following talks with anti-spam groups, Savvis has now promised to get rid of the spammers using its network. ... i guess this is progress. the press keeps bleating about stopping spam from being received -- perhaps if they start paying attention to how it gets sent and how many supposedly-legitimate businesses profit from the sending, there could be some flattening of the spam growth curve.

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Spammers Skirt IP Authentication Attempts
by Henry Linneweh 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

This is not a good beginning http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1642848,00.asp

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RE: who's next?
by Michel Py 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

[Disclaimer: I do not intend to aim at Savvis in particular. It just happens that they make the news today. For all practical purposes, s/Savvis/your_favorite_operator] > <http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3634572.stm>: > Mr McCormick promised that within the next 10 days all > spammers will be taken off their network. I think this is a bunch of PR BS. They say they'll do it, but in the real world nobody throws two million bucks a month (*) in the toilet like this, they know it, and here's why: 1. Although some spammers may be dumb, out of 148 of them there are a lot that are actually smart and more than a few that are very smart. Just because we don't like spammers means they are dumb. Face it, people: spammers have outsmarted us every step of the way so far. A lot of us have tried to get rid of them, and obviously failed, because we still get craploads of it. 2. Thanks to our marvelous legal system, the smart spammer will seek a TRO against Savvis preventing them to cut them loose within 10 days, make it last a few months, and finally double-flip Savvis about the bill for the last few months. Nothing new here either; spammers do not pay their bills when it can be avoided. 3. Even a blatant violation of the AUP does not shield from a TRO. Why I say this is a bunch of PR BS is that many people at Savvis are totally aware of what I wrote above. The sad part is: although many people at Savvis are totally aware of what I wrote above, there also are a few execs that can't find the power switch on their own computer without the help desk that don't, and the bottom line is that this is going cost Savvis 2 million bucks a month for some months plus another million bucks a month in legal fees from law experts that don't know jack but are good at kissing exec @55. In the end, it turns out to be simple mathematics: 10 begin 20 Savvis is going to spend $10M-$20M to buy a "clean reputation". 30 ## Some exec bozo thinks that doing so will save the world. 40 ## Regardless of 30, some guys there actually know exactly 50 ## what they are doing, they just manipulate the bozo as a 60 ## fuse in case something does not go according to plan. 70 ## I don't challenge the strategy. A few million bucks to 80 ## look clean actually is a heck of a good deal if one is 90 ## big enough to afford it; sacrificing the gullible bozo 100 ## that bought the BS about saving the world by getting 110 ## rid of spammers is class-1 collateral. (**) 120 41% of the spammers will get 4-8 months free. 130 41% of the spammers will stay with Savvis. (***) 140 18% of the spammers will not survive the renumbering. 150 The next one will gladly host the 41% in 120 for a million bucks a month (for a while). 160 s/Savvis/the next one 170 goto 10 Read the subject line again: who's next? I don't compliment Savvis for cleaning up. If they have to do so, it's because they (or C&W, or whoever they acquired) have been complacent about hosting spammers in the first place. After someone pays the bill, I hope said someone will pay more attention to topics such as qualifying customers by looking them up in the BBB database and related issues. Nevertheless, this _is_ good. Trouble is, spammers have incorporated it in their cost of doing business a long time ago. One more time, too little too late. So, out of 148 Savvis spammers, 18 of them (the dumbest ones) will not survive the move/renumbering at a cost of US$18M. Savvis' money, not mine. Who's next? Michel. (*) Just think about how many 4-port-OC192-IR for their brand stinking new CRS-1 they could buy with 2 million bucks a month ;-) (**) Heard first hand from a three-star general: "in the infantry, the cheapest hardware to replace is personnel." (***) Legal compromise. Even if there is a political will to get all spammers out, economic realities, legal bills and battles of "experts" will eventually quick in, and the good ol' "a bad settlement is better than a good trial" will prevail in number of cases. Spammers will not spam as openly as they used to, Savvis will keep a million bucks a months revenue, and everyone is happy.

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North American, Ricardo "Rick" Gonzalez has invited you to open a Google mail account
by Ricardo "Rick" Gonzalez 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

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