May 2001 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
by John Murphy 14 May '01

14 May '01

<quote> Roeland Meyer, "None of the DSL ISPs can do larger than /27 anymore, even when they're ILECs. Anything less than a /24 can't be SWIP'd..." </quote> I really couldn't care less about SpeakEasy. I just didn't feel like watching yet another of your blatantly inaccurate blanket statements slide by. Case in point, *both* of those statements above are inaccurate. -----------------------Original Message----------------------- >From: Roeland Meyer >To: John Murphy;nanog(a)nanog.org >Date: 5/14/01 5:06 AM >Subject: RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS > >> From: John Murphy [mailto:nanog@mail.murfnet.com] >> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 8:07 PM >> >> I'm sorry Roeland, but your statement about SWIP'ing anything >> less than a >> /24 is just inaccurate. We SWIP /29s and /30s daily, for >> both our Frame >> and our DSL customers. > >Tell it to SpeakEasy. >

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Re: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
by John Palmer (NANOG Acct) 14 May '01

14 May '01

> > > John Palmer wrote: > > > I don't think the technology is the problem, but the competence > > > (or lack of it) amongst the major players. > > > All of our problems have not been related to the DSL technology > itself, but > > > rather the screwups of the providers. > > > >Have you considered the possibility that you weren't paying for > >competence? If you chose to call the _business_ services group of any of > >the involved providers, and order a T1 at normal price, you might > >discover whether they're competent or not. > > > > -Bill > Excuse me, but we are a Business customer and are paying for business-class service. We dont need a T-1 because we dont need that bandwidth.

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RE: To CAIS Engineers - WAKE UP AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CUSTOMERS
by Roeland Meyer 13 May '01

13 May '01

I've had similar problem at SpeakEasy. They still don't have a reverse-DNS clue. http://www.mhsc.com/recovery.htm None of the DSL ISPs can do larger than /27 anymore, even when they're ILECs. Anything less than a /24 can't be SWIP'd and if you don't control your in-addr.arpa entries you don't control your domain and have no security. > From: John Palmer (NANOG Acct) [mailto:nanog@adns.net] > Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2001 1:40 PM > <FLAME ON> > PSINet dumped all of their DSL customers onto CAIS. Covad is > the backhaul > provider for them both. Need I say more? > > Bottom line, I dont know how many thousands of people were > without service > for more than a day because the whole transfer was botched. > > We have a situation where we had a DSL connection from PSI > and were using > our own IP addresses. Problem is that no one changed the > routing tables and the packets dead-ended at PSI. > > Getting CAIS to fix this problem has been a nightmare. At > first, PSI didnt > stop announcing the routes and now that they have, it seems that > CAIS will not announce the routes till Monday becuase "no one > at our NOC > knows how to do this and the one guy (ONE GUY IN THE WHOLE > COMPANY - AND THEY ARE A NATIONWIDE PROVIDER????) who knows > how doesn't work > weekends." > <flame off - sorry to the list for being so loud>

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Sympatico technical contact
by Aaron 12 May '01

12 May '01

I've been running around for the past 20 minutes or so trying to find a technical contact for Sympatico in ontario to no avail. Does anyone on this list have someone I could speak with? They're having reverse DNS issues - ie. hostnames saying the client is in barrie while the client is in london. Just wanted to get someones attention on this issue as its rather frustrating. -Aaron

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Re: 10 gige experience
by Frank Coluccio 12 May '01

12 May '01

re gige: As long as we're discussing reading material, the July 2001 Cook report contains two good interviews on Ethernet in the First Mile (EFM) with Howard Frazier [ex-Cisco, now-Dominet] and WorldWidePacket's Jonathan Thatcher. 10 gige is discussed sporadically throughout, along with three variations of outside plant (Ethernet over UTP, P-P Fiber, and P-MP Fiber PONs, or EPONs) with implications to the greater 'Net's backbone, and other architectural opportunities/implications. http://www.cookreport.com FAC ------Original Message------ From: "Nipper, Arnold" <arnold(a)nipper.de> To: Frank Coluccio <fcoluccio(a)dticonsulting.com>, dave o'leary <doleary(a)juniper.net>, Mike Leber <mleber(a)he.net>, Vinay Bannai <bannai(a)pacbell.net> Sent: May 11, 2001 6:10:40 PM GMT Subject: Re: 10 gige experience http://www.nwfusion.com/research/2001/0507feat3.html might also be interesting ... Arnold ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Coluccio" <fcoluccio(a)dticonsulting.com> To: "dave o'leary" <doleary(a)juniper.net>; "Mike Leber" <mleber(a)he.net>; "Vinay Bannai" <bannai(a)pacbell.net> Cc: <nanog(a)merit.edu> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 6:53 AM Subject: Re: 10 gige experience > > Off Topic, kinda... check out the caption at the bottom of this page: > > http://www.iec.org/tutorials/opt_ethernet/topic05.html > > The tutorial isn't bad, either ;) > > > > > > ------Original Message------ > From: "dave o'leary" <doleary(a)juniper.net> > To: Mike Leber <mleber(a)he.net>, Vinay Bannai <bannai(a)pacbell.net> > Sent: May 10, 2001 2:35:24 AM GMT > Subject: Re: 10 gige experience > > > > > IEEE standards web page at http://grouper.ieee.org is quite helpful > for finding the status of the various standards. > > In particular, check > > http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/ae/public/mar01/minutes_0301.pdf > > for the minutes of the last IEEE 802.3ae Working Group meeting. > > Target for completion is 1Q 2002. > > At this point, much of the work has been completed, I believe that > all of the outstanding issues were resolved at the meeting and they > have gone to working group ballot (don't ask me about all the details > of the IEEE decision making process, but they are online). > > So at least things are close enough that chip sets are being developed > and equipment vendors can get underway with confidence that there > won't be too much change, such that standards compliant products > should be available about in the same timeframe that the standard > is completed. > > dave > > At 04:14 PM 5/9/01 -0700, Mike Leber wrote: > > > >On Wed, 9 May 2001, Vinay Bannai wrote: > > > > Anybody out there have any experience with 10 gigabit ethernet? > > > > > > I don't think the 10GEA has standarized the draft. It is slated for mid > > 2002. > > > But some vendors might have non-standard implementations, but I am not > > aware of > > > it. > > > >Here is an article that states that IntelliSpace and others are already > >using 10 Gigabit Ethernet equipment provided by Extreme Networks. It is > >skimpy on the details. > > > >http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO54671,00.html > > > >I'm trolling to see if anybody in the nanog crowd was willing or able > >(NDAs and all) to tell us about any 10 gige equipment they might be using. > > > >+------------------- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C > -------------------+ > >| Mike Leber Direct Internet Connections Voice 510 580 4100 > | > >| Hurricane Electric Web Hosting Colocation Fax 510 580 4151 > | > >| mleber(a)he.net http://www.he.net > | > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -+ > > > > > > > > > > > >

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in-addr survey?
by Patrick Greenwell 11 May '01

11 May '01

I'm attempting to convince "the powers that be" that attempting to use reverse lookups to determine geographic locale is extremely inaccurate. One of the reasons among the many this is the case (I believe) is that significant portion of admins do not have properly configured in-addr. Has anyone done this sort of survey(Bill Manning?) If so, anyone have a pointer handy? Thanks.

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RE: Solaris/IIS worm hits 9000 boxes in 48 hours
by Petri Stephen 11 May '01

11 May '01

That list of IP addresses is from Tuesday. I know of a number of machines that were compromised that were not on that list. I can only imagine what the number has climbed to since Tuesday. Stephen Petri -----Original Message----- From: Ian Cooper [mailto:icooper@equinix.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:26 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Solaris/IIS worm hits 9000 boxes in 48 hours At 16:14 5/11/2001 -0400, Petri Stephen wrote: >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18882.html > >......The quite reliable hacker tracker attrition.org is reporting that >nearly nine thousand machines had been auto-defaced by the sadmind/IIS worm >as of Tuesday, making it one of the most effective little scripts ever >loosed on the Net....... Quite. However, since this is NANOG you missed the most interesting parts: "Attrition has posted the IPs of all the boxes known to have been hit..." "What's ironic here is that the worm exploits two separate holes which were reported and patched ages ago. Call it proof-of-concept that sysadmins spend an awful lot of time on activities other than absorbing security bulletins."

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Re: Solaris/IIS worm hits 9000 boxes in 48 hours
by Ian Cooper 11 May '01

11 May '01

At 16:14 5/11/2001 -0400, Petri Stephen wrote: >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18882.html > >......The quite reliable hacker tracker attrition.org is reporting that >nearly nine thousand machines had been auto-defaced by the sadmind/IIS worm >as of Tuesday, making it one of the most effective little scripts ever >loosed on the Net....... Quite. However, since this is NANOG you missed the most interesting parts: "Attrition has posted the IPs of all the boxes known to have been hit..." "What's ironic here is that the worm exploits two separate holes which were reported and patched ages ago. Call it proof-of-concept that sysadmins spend an awful lot of time on activities other than absorbing security bulletins."

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Solaris/IIS worm hits 9000 boxes in 48 hours
by Petri Stephen 11 May '01

11 May '01

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18882.html ......The quite reliable hacker tracker attrition.org is reporting that nearly nine thousand machines had been auto-defaced by the sadmind/IIS worm as of Tuesday, making it one of the most effective little scripts ever loosed on the Net....... Stephen Petri

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Re: 10 gige experience
by Frank Coluccio 11 May '01

11 May '01

Off Topic, kinda... check out the caption at the bottom of this page: http://www.iec.org/tutorials/opt_ethernet/topic05.html The tutorial isn't bad, either ;) ------Original Message------ From: "dave o'leary" <doleary(a)juniper.net> To: Mike Leber <mleber(a)he.net>, Vinay Bannai <bannai(a)pacbell.net> Sent: May 10, 2001 2:35:24 AM GMT Subject: Re: 10 gige experience IEEE standards web page at http://grouper.ieee.org is quite helpful for finding the status of the various standards. In particular, check http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/ae/public/mar01/minutes_0301.pdf for the minutes of the last IEEE 802.3ae Working Group meeting. Target for completion is 1Q 2002. At this point, much of the work has been completed, I believe that all of the outstanding issues were resolved at the meeting and they have gone to working group ballot (don't ask me about all the details of the IEEE decision making process, but they are online). So at least things are close enough that chip sets are being developed and equipment vendors can get underway with confidence that there won't be too much change, such that standards compliant products should be available about in the same timeframe that the standard is completed. dave At 04:14 PM 5/9/01 -0700, Mike Leber wrote: >On Wed, 9 May 2001, Vinay Bannai wrote: > > > Anybody out there have any experience with 10 gigabit ethernet? > > > > I don't think the 10GEA has standarized the draft. It is slated for mid > 2002. > > But some vendors might have non-standard implementations, but I am not > aware of > > it. > >Here is an article that states that IntelliSpace and others are already >using 10 Gigabit Ethernet equipment provided by Extreme Networks. It is >skimpy on the details. > >http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO54671,00.html > >I'm trolling to see if anybody in the nanog crowd was willing or able >(NDAs and all) to tell us about any 10 gige equipment they might be using. > >+------------------- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C -------------------+ >| Mike Leber Direct Internet Connections Voice 510 580 4100 | >| Hurricane Electric Web Hosting Colocation Fax 510 580 4151 | >| mleber(a)he.net http://www.he.net | >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >

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