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Re: CIDR FAQ
by Hank Nussbacher 17 Aug '95

17 Aug '95

On Wed, 16 Aug 95 13:09:52 PDT you said: >Paul, > >> New allocations are (as of 1466bis) being done through providers, on CIDRized >> lines. Whether IPv4 or IPv6, new allocations are not going to badly impact >> the core routing table size. > >Does that mean that all the internet registries no longer allocate >/24 (or longer) prefixes that have nothing to do with the actual >Internet topology (these prefixes aka "portable addresses") ? Perhaps >folks from various Internet registries would be able to answer this >question. I assign /22s to ISPs. When they use them up I give them another /22. Private companies that show a need for a /24 are assigned a /24. >Yakov. Hank

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Re: CIDR FAQ
by Sean Doran 17 Aug '95

17 Aug '95

This is something that should have been sent to engineer(a)sprint.net. Please re-send, and when it is convenient you and one of our engineering staff (or even me, if you like) can sit down and have you withdraw your more specifics and try to watch what's going on. BTW, if you have a ticket number from the INSC, management around here would love to know what it is. Sean.

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Re: CIDR FAQ
by Sean Doran 17 Aug '95

17 Aug '95

I am having trouble understanding the assertion still, and am wondering what the problem is; I'm going to dive into all sorts of archived mail looking for clues about 194.45/16, but in the mean time here are some observations: Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path *> 194.45.0.0/16 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? interesting prefixes *> 194.45.40.161/32 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.120.0/26 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.120.64/26 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.120.128/26 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? all prefixes. Note that if you offered ONLY 194.45/16, rather than that AND all the more specifics, things would work fine. Have you done this? What was the problem? Why are you asserting that the problem is with SprintLink? Sean. - -- Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path *> 194.45.0.0 192.41.177.245 1 90 0 174 i *> 194.45.0.0/16 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.1.0 192.41.177.245 1 90 0 174 i *> 194.45.2.0 192.41.177.245 1 90 0 174 i *> 194.45.3.0 192.41.177.245 1 90 0 174 i *> 194.45.4.0 192.41.177.245 1 90 0 174 i *> 194.45.5.0 192.41.177.245 1 90 0 174 i *> 194.45.6.0 192.41.177.245 1 90 0 174 i *> 194.45.7.0 192.41.177.245 1 90 0 174 i *> 194.45.8.0 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.9.0 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.10.0 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.11.0 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.12.0 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.13.0 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.14.0 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.15.0 192.41.177.240 3 90 0 1800 1755 517 ? *> 194.45.16.0 192.41.177.181 1 90 0 3561 1220 ? * 192.41.177.181 0 90 0 1800 3561 1220 ? * i 198.32.130.227 1 90 0 3561 1220 ? * i 144.228.103.1 1 90 0 3561 1220 ? 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Re: CIDR FAQ
by Sean Doran 17 Aug '95

17 Aug '95

| >CIDR doesn't work as it should. We had to inject all of the more specifics | >of 194.45/16 cause Sprintlink isn't able to handle CIDR routes correctly. | | Can someone explain this a bit more? This sounds like a showstopper | for CIDR. Can someone explain it at all? This is the first *I*'ve heard of this. Sean. (taking a look now though)

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Re: CIDR FAQ
by Hank Nussbacher 17 Aug '95

17 Aug '95

On Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:30:19 +0200 (MET DST) you said: >Simon Poole wrote: >> >> Yakov, if you have data that CIDR is -not- working for new allocations >> please present it here. >> >> Simon > >CIDR doesn't work as it should. We had to inject all of the more specifics >of 194.45/16 cause Sprintlink isn't able to handle CIDR routes correctly. Can someone explain this a bit more? This sounds like a showstopper for CIDR. > >Arnold Hank

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Re: NANOG Meeting
by Vince Fuller 17 Aug '95

17 Aug '95

The NANOG Meeting will be Monday, 9/11 9:00AM - 5:00PM and Tuesday, 9/12 9:00AM -12:00PM with a continental breakfast each morning at 8:30AM. This meeting will be held in Philadelphia, PA. Umm, last I checked, the NANOG meeting was supposed to be at the Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, which I believe is about a six to eight hour drive from Philadelphia. I assume the above is a typeo... --Vince

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Internet Security tutorials this fall
by stonem＠farnet.org 17 Aug '95

17 Aug '95

Together with CERT, (Computer Emergency Response Team), FARNET is again hosting Internet Security tutorials. Internet Security for Managers is a 1/2 day overview of security issues, approaches and strategy. It will be Sept. 6, and Nov. 16th. Internet Security for System and Network Administrators is a 1 day technical tutorial. It will be Sept. 7. Both will be held in Washington DC. See the FARNET home page (http://www.farnet.org) or send to seminars(a)farnet.org for more information. Regards, Martha ************************************************************************* Martha Stone-Martin Program Director FARNET...."The Internet Builders" (617) 273-5423 stonem(a)farnet.org ************************************************************************* Martha Stone-Martin Program Director FARNET...."The Internet Builders" (617) 273-5423 stonem(a)farnet.org (http://www.farnet.org)

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RA Service at Sprint Nap
by Elise Gerich 17 Aug '95

17 Aug '95

The Routing Arbiter Service is pleased to announce it is fully in production at the Sprint NAP. Two route servers are installed at the Sprint Nap to provide redundancy, and the route servers are configured daily. The route server configurations are based on the routing policy information stored in the Internet Routing Registry. The IRR contains the full set of data from five databases: Routing Arbiter Database, RIPE Database, internetMCI Database, CA*net Database, and ANSnet Database. For more information about the RA Service check http://www.ra.net or to use the RA Service at the Sprint Nap, send mail to ra-peer(a)ra.net --Elise

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NANOG Meeting
by Pam Ciesla 17 Aug '95

17 Aug '95

The NANOG Meeting will be Monday, 9/11 9:00AM - 5:00PM and Tuesday, 9/12 9:00AM -12:00PM with a continental breakfast each morning at 8:30AM. This meeting will be held in Philadelphia, PA. Pam Ciesla

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Re: CIDR FAQ
by sob＠academ.com 17 Aug '95

17 Aug '95

Don't you really mean the USR Routing cards for these hubs? You can put a Cisco AS5100 in them and they route just like a Cisco 2511. -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob(a)academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: amdahl!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.

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