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Re: MFS WorldCom/WilTel/LDDS
by Hank Nussbacher 28 Aug '96

28 Aug '96

>To be more precise it would have had merit if Internet >metering was at least remotely technically feasible. IBM Israel has been handling its leased line and Web sites with metering since day 1. We have a an NV/6000 application that polls the routers where the leased line has the interface or subinterface to the customer. We have a table indicating what the line speed is. On the 1st of every month, the user is automatically emailed an accting report indicating line usage and as a percentage of the total max thruput. We have a number of levels (10%, 30%, 70%, etc.) and the user pays based on their actual thruput levels. We track each virtual Web site for thruput also but bill based just on disk space allocated (simpler model than for leased lines). Hank

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Re: MFS WorldCom/WilTel/LDDS
by Vadim Antonov 28 Aug '96

28 Aug '96

Edward Henigin <ed(a)texas.net> wrote: > Unmetered usage develops an environment which puts some sort >of backpressure on the end user, to discourage or prevent the usage >of too much resource. .... >The journalist may be stupid, but the point has some merit. To be more precise it would have had merit if Internet metering was at least remotely technically feasible. Or are we going to discuss some hot mountain real estate deals we could get by melting some ice in Antarctic? --vadim

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Re: MFS WorldCom/WilTel/LDDS
by Paul Ferguson 28 Aug '96

28 Aug '96

Jeremy, You're so funny. ;-) Only Bob Matecalfe's zany antics entertain me more than this [printed] drivel. Thanks for pointing it out. - paul (speaking for myself, of course; standard disclaimers apply) At 06:39 PM 8/28/96 -0500, Jeremy Porter wrote: >Dead of the Net predicted GIF, at 11. > >If you believe Business Week, August 26, "Above all >finacial incentives for investment must ome into line. Right now, >customers who pay a mere $20 a month, can blast the net with untold >megabytes of data, voice and video. Without usaged-based charges service >providers are called on to upgrade their infrastructure with no clear promise of a return on investment." > >Under the section "Dirty Secret" "One dirty little secret is that most >phone calls and videoconferences ram their way past data transmissions >by using a bully of a communications method called UDP. Unlike the more >polite Transmission Control Protocol, TCP, which drops back >when it detects congestion, UDP continues at full speed, elbowing >ahead of TCP traffic. Yet UDP customers aren't paying anything extra for >their fast lane". > >Sigh, you should see the section on peering. Its worse. > >Its a good thing none of these journalist used the train, telegraph, >or telephone systems when they were growing at these extact same rates, >or we wouldn't have trains or telephones today. A little research >into the growth of the telephone network reveals very similar patterns. > >Clue seems to be a conserved quanitity in the universe, such that >as the net gets lager the clue-denisty gets lower, thus causing >most of the problems we see today. > >If only we had been able to get the Network Clue Transport Protocol >going in time. > >-- >Jeremy Porter, Freeside Communications, Inc. jerry(a)fc.net >PO BOX 80315 Austin, Tx 78708 | 1-800-968-8750 | 512-459-9816 >http://www.fc.net >

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Re: Access to the Internic Blocked
by Mike Trest 28 Aug '96

28 Aug '96

At 12:52 PM 8/23/96 -0700, Vadim Antonov wrote: >Curtis Villamizar <curtis(a)ans.net> wrote: > >>Have you forgotten that we log and keep track of source/destination >>pairs. >I sincerely wish you good luck doing that at OC-12. If you know >a magic technology which can do that please let me know. >Doing that at 10 kpps is not going to be a solution any time soon. > >--vadim Vadim, Jim Hughes just gave me a good presentation on a box offered by NSC which does IP address and port level packet filtering on multiple OC-3c ATM interfaces simultaneously at full circuit speed. I think he said an OC-12c version will be in production soon. Perhaps we could ask Jim to add some firmware to grab the SA/DA pairs and dump them to a log processor in the same box. Unfortunately, this would not help unless the path went through an ATM segment somewhere on the network. ..mike.. Mike Trest, ATMNET Voice: 619 643-1805 5440 Morehouse Drive Fax: 619 643-1801 San Diego, CA USA 92121 Pager: 619 960-9070

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So who the heck is "Wolfcon,"
by Bill Woodcock 26 Aug '96

26 Aug '96

...and where did they get 14.1 billion dollars? Does this mean that it's going to be even harder to deal with MFS? Humpf. -Bill ________________________________________________________________________________ bill woodcock woody(a)zocalo.net woody(a)applelink.apple.com user(a)host.domain.com

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Re: So who the heck is "Wolfcon,"
by Scott Bradner 26 Aug '96

26 Aug '96

could that be "worldcon"? Scott

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Re: Access to the Internic Blocked
by Vadim Antonov 26 Aug '96

26 Aug '96

Daniel W. McRobb <dwm(a)ans.net> wrote: > >1-2 million is not much. Even in the NSFNET days, I worked w/ > >5-million-cell net matrices. All it takes is memory and some CPU. > > 1-2 _simultaneoulsy_, not over period of time. The 1-hr matrix > would be two orders of magnitude bigger. >A typical 1 hour matrix is considerably smaller. Even a core router >who carries 40,000 routes will not see anywhere near 40,000 * 40,000 >cells in a one hour period, or even 2 million cells. Not in my >experience. Even the NAP and MAE routers where I've collected this data >have seen net matrices only on the order of (10^3) to (10^5) for a one >hour period. That's _host address_ matrix, not network address matrix. It is at least three orders of magnitude bigger. Another datum -- the hot spot on route cache on ICM's routers from hell is about 40% on networks addresses. >The number of cell entries is not equal to the number of routes squared. >It doesn't happen. No, nobody said that. That's why my figures are in 100M range, not 2000000 bil which is the size of "full host matrix". >Even if your router is expiring 20,000 flows per second, >it only comes out to about 667 packets per second to the workstation, >which is pretty low even for older workstations with fairly weak CPUs by >modern standards. An Alpha can handle it w/o even breaking a sweat. 20k flows per second? You must be kidding. The average flow length (as derived from Sean's stats) is 20 packets. I.e. 20 kfps is what you get from a single OC-3 working at the wire speed. --vadim

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RE: So who the heck is "Wolfcon,"
by Jim Browning 26 Aug '96

26 Aug '96

I read a Dow Jones report entitled: WorldCOM-MFS merger Spells Trouble for Baby Bells WorldCom (still called WilTel by most Internet folks) bought MFS for (at Friday's stock prices) $47.78 per share in stock. In reaction, WorldCom stock is down, MFS stock is up. >From an operations standpoint, the options of who to work with are getting narrower... -- Jim Browning ---------- From: Bill Woodcock[SMTP:woody@zocalo.net] Sent: Monday, August 26, 1996 6:52 AM LDDS WorldCom? Could be... I got this second-hand from a non-techie who was listening to the noon news on NPR, so I have no idea what he _actually_ heard. :-) That would at least make sense, even if it's not particularly auspicious.

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Re: So who the heck is "Wolfcon,"
by feldman＠MFSDatanet.COM 26 Aug '96

26 Aug '96

It's Worldcom, Inc., aka LDDS Worldcom, who recently bought Wiltel. See http://www.mfst.com for the press release. Steve

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WordCom
by Scott Bradner 26 Aug '96

26 Aug '96

from cnn company WorldCom Inc. on Monday announced an agreement to acquire MFS Communications Co. for $14.4 billion in stock, creating a business-communications giant that stretches from phone lines to the Internet.

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