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Re: The Cidr Report
by Paul Ferguson 30 Nov '96

30 Nov '96

At 07:31 PM 11/29/96 -0800, Tony Li wrote: > >I suspect that this is more due to the holiday than any real change. ;-( > Sad commentary with regards to humans. ;-) - paul

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Re: national stats. on ISP qty/size?
by fehnb＠jerseycape.net 30 Nov '96

30 Nov '96

Boardwatch magazine puts out a ISP directory servral times a year with this info. You can contact them at: www.boardwatch.com Its also available at better news stands... > >Anyone know where I can find aprox. stats. on number and >size of ISP's in north america? Is this presently tracked >(guessed at?) anywhere? > Robert J. Fehn Sr.,President and CEO Jersey Cape Information Systems Inc. PO Box 967 Marmora, NJ, 08223 Voice: 609-390-0061 "Professional Internet Services, Commercial and Residential Accounts" "Training, Consulting, Engineering, Network Design" http://www.jerseycape.net fehnb(a)jerseycape.net fehnb(a)jerseycape.com

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While I'm at it...
by Derek Elder 29 Nov '96

29 Nov '96

While I'm on a roll of exploiting NANOG's collective expertise, perhaps someone could email the IOS level (and perhaps card revision level) that they have had the most luck with on a 75xx with RSP2 with AIP-DS3 and OC3 cards. | Derek Elder http://www.accessus.net V.P., CIO | | djelder(a)accessus.net accessU.S., Inc. 888-637-3638 Ext. 222 |

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: NANOG 9 Date Change (fwd)
by Scott Huddle 29 Nov '96

29 Nov '96

Include total exchanged traffic, or presented traffic, as well. Rank order the different exchanges by this metric. -scott > From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Tue Nov 26 18:34 EST 1996 > X-Sender: pferguso(a)lint.cisco.com > X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 18:28:21 -0500 > To: bmanning(a)isi.edu > From: Paul Ferguson <pferguso(a)cisco.com> > Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: NANOG 9 Date Change (fwd) > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu > Content-Type> : > text/plain> ; > charset="us-ascii"> > Content-Length: 221 > > At 02:52 PM 11/26/96 -0800, bmanning(a)ISI.EDU wrote: > > > > > btw, would there be any interest in the growthrates of > > selected exchanges? > > > > I could whip up some numbers if folks are interested. > > > > Yes, please do. > > - paul > >

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Re[2]: national stats. on ISP qty/size?
by PKays＠nrtc.org 28 Nov '96

28 Nov '96

Ditto, Boardwatch is an excellent resource. I have just received the Quarterly Directory for Fall 1996 and it contains as up-to-the minute info as possible on the National providers. Their subscription department is best reached via the web - calling in is not a productive process. Good luck. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: national stats. on ISP qty/size? Author: Bill Bradford <mrbill(a)texas.net> at Internet-Mail Date: 11/28/96 9:38 AM On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Mike Leber wrote: > Boardwatch (http://www.boardwatch.com/) has created quite a directory. > They actually called everybody listed, so their numbers are somewhat > "real". > "The List" (http://thelist.iworld.com/) also has quite a comprehensive > list. TheList is very out-of-date, and refuses to update information, even when supplied with the correct info. I'd suggest the Boardwatch list. bill bradford system admin, unix geek, super hero, BOFH mrbill(a)texas.net texas networking, inc. http://www.texas.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "And the temple of love grows old and strong; But the wind blows stronger, cold and long; And the temple of love will fall before this black wind calls my name to you no more." - Sisters of Mercy, "Temple Of Love"

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Re: national stats. on ISP qty/size?
by Sean Donelan 28 Nov '96

28 Nov '96

>Anyone know where I can find aprox. stats. on number and >size of ISP's in north america? Is this presently tracked >(guessed at?) anywhere? Depends on what kind of "ISP" you are interested in. For dialup, Boardwatch Magazine <http://www.boardwatch.com> has a quarterly listing of Internet providers. If you think the Internet is more than just dialup, I suggest looking at some more sources. The Maloff Company <http://www.maloff.com/> has lots of good, but now out-of-date (February 1996 is ancient for the Internet) information in their report on the Internet marketplace. For information on how part of the non-profit Internet Providers are doing, the 1996 study on libraries and the Internet released this Fall is a good starting place <http://istweb.syr.edu/Project/Faculty/McClure-NSPL96/NSPL96_T.html>. Things are both better, and worse than you've read in the popular press. The traditional thinktanks, the Gartner Group, Forrester Research, etc, also have a number of studies of the Internet, but I can never afford to even look at their catalog. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: national stats. on ISP qty/size?
by Ben Liberman 28 Nov '96

28 Nov '96

(Let's try that again with the CORRECT number for "annual revenue per employe." 199.55 looked just a bit on the low side ;-) Thanks to all who replied. Boardwatch (http://www.boardwatch.com/) was a treasure trove of info. Here is a sample from their web page at <http://www.boardwatch.com/isp/intro2.htm> derived from their survey of 3000+ providers (if I read it correctly.) Internet Service Provider Profile (excluding top and bottom 10% of all ISPs surveyed) Average time in business: 22.2 months Average number of employees: 12.98 Average gross annual revenues: $637,571.76 Average annual revenue per employee: $49,119.55 Average hardware/software investment: $165,615 Average number of dialup customers: 1843.53 Average annual growth rate: 93% Average number of dial-up ports 198.95 Average bandwidth to backbone: 2.94 Mbps Average bandwidth per dialup port: 14.4 kbps Average investment in hardware/software per customer: $89.83 Average price of 28.8 kbps dialup account: $19.95 per month ------------------------------ ben(a)BL.COM Ben Liberman ------------------------------

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Re: national stats. on ISP qty/size?
by Ben Liberman 28 Nov '96

28 Nov '96

Thanks to all who replied. Boardwatch (http://www.boardwatch.com/) was a treasure trove of info. Here is a sample from their web page at <http://www.boardwatch.com/isp/intro2.htm> derived from their survey of 3000+ providers (if I read it correctly.) Internet Service Provider Profile (excluding top and bottom 10% of all ISPs surveyed) Average time in business: 22.2 months Average number of employees: 12.98 Average gross annual revenues: $637,571.76 Average annual revenue per employee: 119.55 Average hardware/software investment: $165,615 Average number of dialup customers: 1843.53 Average annual growth rate: 93% Average number of dial-up ports 198.95 Average bandwidth to backbone: 2.94 Mbps Average bandwidth per dialup port: 14.4 kbps Average investment in hardware/software per customer: $89.83 Average price of 28.8 kbps dialup account: $19.95 per month ------------------------------ ben(a)BL.COM Ben Liberman ------------------------------

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national stats. on ISP qty/size?
by Ben Liberman 28 Nov '96

28 Nov '96

Anyone know where I can find aprox. stats. on number and size of ISP's in north america? Is this presently tracked (guessed at?) anywhere? Is it even trackable? ;-) ------------------------------ ben(a)BL.COM Ben Liberman ------------------------------

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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: NANOG 9 Date Change (fwd)
by reb＠ieng.com 27 Nov '96

27 Nov '96

> At 9:37 AM 11/26/96, Avi Freedman wrote: > > > Route reflecting sounds like a good topic - could I interest any of you > > in presenting on it? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Susan R. Harris, Ph.D. Merit Network, Inc. srh(a)merit.edu > > I would be willing to present, though as I said I think a separate meeting > to see what people really want is needed. > > I think the issues are: > > o (Briefly) The politics and technology of peering > o Easier peering between multiple parties: MLPA > o Since no NAP operator is going to enforce an MLPA, how can peering between > multiple willing parties still be made to happen with less people time > involved in the setup? > o Why might the RA not be the best tool - or why might it be? > o Possible goal: > o Participants sign a contract expressing a desire to peer with anyone > else signing the contract (not exclusively) through a route-reflecting > box. > o You can only offer routes for you and "your customers" via this. No > partial transit to specific people can be offered. > o Boxes at each interesting exchange point that people can then peer with > to effect the agreement. One or two Cisco 2501s would work fine, but > RA-type boxes which can "hide" their ASs in the middle might be > interesting as well (Peter Lothberg arguments about BGP not being > designed to 'work that way' possibly put aside). > o Filtering: > o Box-side filtering to enforce sanity? > o Concerns > o Who's going to run the thing? > o Network stability? > o What happens to control bad neighbors? > > Or, perhaps a separate mailing list is needed in the interim to allow > people to discuss the issue without boring uninterested members of > the nanog list... While your outline sounds great wrt its chosen topic, the topic doesn't sound like what I consider to be route-reflecting -- specifically, route reflection in (i)BGP. Your outline sounds more like "politics and operational issues surrounding peering and route-serving at a NAP." Can someone clarify which of the two topics is the burning topic that people would like presented? Note that both topics may be burning issues and worthy of a presentation at the next NANOG... thanks, eric ---- R. Eric Bennett <reb(a)ieng.com> | Internet Engineering Group 313-669-8800 (v) 313-669-8661 (f) | 122 S. Main, Suite 280 http://www.ieng.com/ | Ann Arbor, MI 48104 "Radical Rodent: Superdynamic Rodent of Tomorrow" -- http://home.earthlink.net/~krhughes/Rat.html

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