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RE: Pennsylvania /8
by Jim Fleming 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

On Saturday, February 22, 1997 9:27 AM, Avi Freedman[SMTP:freedman@netaxs.com] wrote: @ > Avi, @ > @ > Do you by any chance know if anyone @ > in the State of Pennsylvania has a /8 ? @ @ I don't think so. @ @ The State @ Hershey @ Bethlehem Steel @ Prepent @ PSU @ CMU @ The City of Philadelphia (with two /16s) @ @ None of them seem likely to have an /8. @ @ > If not, do you have any suggestions on @ > who would be a good delegate ? @ @ I think that my dirty old Blue Jew Canoe (the 1988 Olds Delta 88 that I tool @ around town in) would make a good delegate. @ @ > Jim Fleming @ @ So you seriously think that delegating /8s around to registries and potentially @ starting a bidding war for 'easy' address space (which can be obtained with @ money rather than demonstrated need and allocation history) is a good thing? @ @ Good thing the community doesn't trust you to guard our scarce resources. @ @ Avi @ @ @ Avi, This is twice in recent weeks that you choose to post private e-mail to a public list.... Can you explain how the community develops the "trust" you refer to above when that occurs...? -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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RE: FW: Behind the scenes...
by Jim Fleming 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

On Saturday, February 22, 1997 9:24 AM, Kim Culhan[SMTP:kimc@w8hd.org] wrote: @ @ @ On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Jim Fleming wrote: @ @ [early internet background description deleted] @ @ > I am disappointed to report that the behind the scenes @ > Internet of 1997 looks more like a communist/fascist @ > republic than the democratic system in the U.S. that @ > helped to create the Internet. In my opinion, this is @ > partly because a few individuals have been allowed to @ > rise to positions of visibility and power without the @ > normal checks and balances that are present in a @ > democracy. @ @ Care to name these people ? @ As you will note below, the U.S. Government has a system which will identify and deal with these people. If you are a citizen you can obtain some information on these investigations. Keep in mind that all information is not yet available. Also, your input to the process is valuable. That is the way the U.S. democracy works. The United States of America is a great nation that has been one of the primary leaders in the development of information technology. The Internet is largely derived from government funded projects and without the security, stability, and staying power of the U.S. Government, the large number of Internet users around the world would not be jumping on board the Information Superhighway. Many people and companies have placed trust in the U.S. Government. The U.S. Government places trust in God. (According to the back of a one dollar bill). Despite the fact that many people on the Internet place trust in the IANA, the IETF, the IAHC, the IAB, the IESG and other I* organizations, the fact remains that the U.S. Government backs the Internet. (and the U.S. dollar) Within the U.S. Government various agencies and organizations have helped to move the Internet forward and to provide the representative government needed on the Internet for people to safely make investments in time and money with the knowledge that a democractic and capitalistic group of people are in control. One of the primary agencies helping to fund the Internet has been the U.S. Government funded National Science Foundation (NSF). <http://www.nsf.gov> The NSF has been the primary agency helping to fund and provide the clout for the cooperative acitivity commonly called the InterNIC. The InterNIC was originally made up of three companies, General Atomics, AT&T, and Network Solutions, Inc. These three companies were supposed to work together in various capacities to provide a variety of services including the important clerical duties commonly called "registrations". In the original plan, General Atomics was supposed to be the NIC of NICs and coordinate the activities of the other two companies. The NSF was supposed to oversee the entire activity. If managed properly, many NICs would have been developed through education programs and the Internet Infrastructure would have been expanded beyond the State of Virginia and the few companies originally contracted to be part of the cooperative agreement. That has not occurred. The history of the evolution of the InterNIC has been well-documented and is very clear. In their original proposal to the NSF, Network Solutions, Inc. suggested that they should do the entire job. Jon Postel and Joyce Reynolds of the IANA, are listed on the original Network Solutions, Inc. bid as subcontractors to Network Solutions, Inc. As history has shown, the IANA, working in conjunction with the "InterNIC" (Network Solutions, Inc.) has helped to continue to promote Network Solutions, Inc. to a point where most people consider NSI to be the InterNIC. Throughout the evolution of the InterNIC from a three-company cooperative to a one company monopoly, the NSF has apparently been caught like a deer in the headlights of a car, frozen in indecision but providing mass when needed to allow a few individuals and companies to leverage themselves into positions of great wealth. The NSF has been skillfully used to provide the U.S. Government seal of approval, while policies are enacted by private parties who openly claim that the NSF is "backing" their agendas. Many companies operating within the United States under Federal and State laws, have been shocked over the past few years at how their tax dollars are used to fund the NSF which in turn funds Internet infrastructure with apparently no control over the outcome. Furthermore, despite repeated efforts by other companies to participate in and make investments in the Internet infrastructure, the NSF has stood by and allowed plans and systems to be developed which lock certain companies out while others are given a free pass and in some cases millions of dollars to jump start their business. The recent IAHC <http://www.iahc.org> activity is an excellent example of how a private company (ISOC) <http://www.isoc.org>, with less members than many ISPs, is provided an NSF representative, Dr. George Strawn, <http://www.cise.nsf.gov/ncri/Georgehome.html> for credibility, while they develop a plan to sell what amounts to Internet Domain Registration Franchises to companies willing to pay large fees to fund the private ISOC. Another example is the recently proposed ARIN <http://www.arin.net> organization which claims to have strong support from the NSF to charge fees for IP addresses. The proposed Board of Direcors of ARIN are mostly people funded directly, or indirectly, by the National Science Foundation. <http://www.arin.net/arin_board.html> @@@@@ <http://www.arin.net/arin_faq.html> @@@@@@@@@ "Network Solutions is leading the ARIN proposal based on a mandate from the Internet community reached in rough consensus with strong support from the National Science Foundation and the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Fortunately, the U.S. Government had the wisdom to set up an agency within the NSF to provide some of the checks and balances needed to regulate the NSF. That agency is the Office of Inspector General (OIG) <http://www.nsf.gov/oig/oig.htm>. OIG is headed by the Inspector General (IG), who reports directly to the President (via the NSB) and to Congress. ---- Inspector General ------- name: Sundro, Linda G. email: lsundro(a)nsf.gov directorate: Office of Inspector General phone: (703)306-2100 office_phone: (703) fax: (703)306-0649 address: 4201 Wilson Blvd., Room 1135S : Arlington, VA 22230 -------------------------------------- In a recent discussion with Ms. Sundro, she indicated that the NSF Office of Inspector General has been investigating the matters surrounding the InterNIC and a Report to the Deputy Director is about to be published. Ms. Sundro indicated that Ms. Clara Kuehn, a physicist AND ATTORNEY, has been assigned to handle the investigations and can provide information on the status of the report. -------------------------------------- name: Kuehn, Clara email: ckuehn(a)nsf.gov directorate: Office of Inspector General phone: (703)306-2001 office_phone: (703)306-2001 x 1505 fax: (703)306-0649 address: 4201 Wilson Blvd., Room 1135S : Arlington, VA 22230 ------------------------------------------ Ms. Sundro also noted that the e-mail address (oig(a)nsf.gov) listed on the Office of Inspector General web site as an "Electonic Mail Hotline" is not useful in contacting her office. She indicated that Ms. Kuehn will welcome input from people on all topics related to these matters and that the above e-mail address (ckuehn(a)nsf.gov) should be used. In summary, I think that U.S. citizens should be proud that their great country developed much of the technology and infrastructure for the Internet. I also think that the world population should be aware that the hundreds of years of government development in the U.S. has resulted in a system that has the proper agencies to not only help to foster increased growth of the Internet but also to help ensure that citizens around the world are able to compete in this marvelous advancement on a playing field that is fair and level. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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Re: Pennsylvania /8
by Avi Freedman 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

> Avi, > > Do you by any chance know if anyone > in the State of Pennsylvania has a /8 ? I don't think so. The State Hershey Bethlehem Steel Prepent PSU CMU The City of Philadelphia (with two /16s) None of them seem likely to have an /8. > If not, do you have any suggestions on > who would be a good delegate ? I think that my dirty old Blue Jew Canoe (the 1988 Olds Delta 88 that I tool around town in) would make a good delegate. > Jim Fleming So you seriously think that delegating /8s around to registries and potentially starting a bidding war for 'easy' address space (which can be obtained with money rather than demonstrated need and allocation history) is a good thing? Good thing the community doesn't trust you to guard our scarce resources. Avi

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Re: < < < < BULK EMAIL > > > > (fwd)
by Sean Doran 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

| Spam list, meet Nanog list. | Nanog list, meet Spam list. Nowadays the NANOG list *is* spam. Sean.

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Free gold from Paul Vixie? I don't think so.
by Paul A Vixie 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

Three days ago someone forged mail in my name, and again in the name of everyone mentioned anywhere in www.vix.com, to every member of the U.S. Senate and House, threatening to delete all their files and shut down all of their systems. It was crudely done, easily detected as a forgery, easily traced, and now the subject of interest for the FBI. Today someone forged spam in my name, to I-don't-know-yet how many users, offering to give away "FREE GOLD!!!" and giving my e-mail address and that of <scott(a)zorch.sf-bay.org>, an employee here and also a major spam fighter in his spare time. I've already received over a hundred complaints and e-mail bounces, and a few "Free gold? Sure, send some to me at <addr>." I can only infer from this that what we're doing is hurting the business of spam, and that they are worried about us. So I take it as highly encouraging and if I needed any excuse to redouble my efforts, this would be it. I've created a vacation message and a procmail script so the next ten thousand or so bounces and complaints will be handled automatically. I am also working with the relay sites used to forge and export this spam, to educate them about <URL:http://www.sendmail.org/antispam.html> and also about spam in general <URL:http://www.vix.com/spam/> and about my real time blackhole feed. Today I got calls from several folks who I've blackholed or suggested blackholing lately, each being a request for help and education.

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RE: < < < < BULK EMAIL > > > > (fwd)
by Jim Fleming 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

On Saturday, February 22, 1997 3:03 AM, Bill Manning[SMTP:bmanning@isi.edu] wrote: @ @ Spam list, meet Nanog list. @ Nanog list, meet Spam list. @ @ http://www.vix.com/spam/ @ @ @ -- @ --bill @ @ Bill meet Bill ---------- From: Jim Fleming[SMTP:JimFleming@unety.net.] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 1997 11:11 AM To: 'president(a)whitehouse.gov' Cc: 'Dave Crocker'; 'dont(a)netsol.com'; 'Geoff Huston'; 'gstrawn(a)nsf.gov'; 'Hank Nussbacher'; 'Donald Heath'; 'ISOC-Advisory-Council(a)isoc.org'; 'ISOC-Trustees(a)isoc.org'; 'Jun Murai'; 'naipr(a)arin.net'; 'New Newdom'; 'Sally M. Abel' Subject: Internet Taxes @@@@@ http://www.isoc.org/whatsnew/notaxesoti.html Internet Society Cautions White House Against Imposition Of Taxes On Internet Commerce @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ The Internet Society is cautioning against taxes while it spends its time inventing taxes and supporting organizations that are essentially taxing the net. See: http://www.isoc.org/whatsnew/iahcreport.html http://www.arin.net It should not be surprising that the Internet Society does not want other organizations to get involved in taxing the net until they have had a chance to develop the legal structures. In the case of the domain system, the Internet Society is attempting to move the tax authority to Switzerland because of the International nature of the net. U.S citizens who helped fund the development of the Internet need to take careful note, and send your own message to the Whitehouse and other places. President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore http://www.whitehouse.gov @@@@@ U.S. Senate e-mail addresses Alabama - Shelby, Richard C. 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(D) - senator_byrd(a)byrd.senate.gov West Virginia - Rockefeller, John D., IV (D) - senator(a)rockefeller.senate.gov Wisconsin - Feingold, Russell D. (D) - senator(a)feingold.senate.gov Wisconsin - Kohl, Herb (D) - nator_kohl(a)kohl.senate.gov Wyoming - Enzi, Mike (R) - senator(a)enzi.senate.gov Wyoming - Thomas, Craig (R) - craig(a)thomas.senate.gov @@@@@ -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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Re: < < < < BULK EMAIL > > > > (fwd)
by bmanning＠ISI.EDU 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

Spam list, meet Nanog list. Nanog list, meet Spam list. http://www.vix.com/spam/ -- --bill

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Re: Free gold from Paul Vixie? I don't think so.gy
by brandon＠rd.bbc.co.uk 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

> I'd like to second this idea for a 'spam haters' list ... > Like Alan I'd be perfectly willing to host this list. I suppose it'd be appropriate for us to host it though we might call it 'spam eaters' ;-) -- Brandon Butterworth phone: 01737 836592 BBC Research & Development fax: 01737 832336 Kingswood Warren, Tadworth email: brandon(a)rd.bbc.co.uk Surrey, KT20 6NP URL: http://www.bbc.co.uk/

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Spam Haters list
by Brett L. Hawn 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

Since I offered, I've done so... I just finished up setting up the 'spamhaters' list here at nol.net, it is private, requires owner approval for subscriptions/submissions and requires confirmation from the subscriber themselves. If you would like to join the list please email spamhaters-request(a)nol.net. [-] Brett L. Hawn (blh @ nol dot net) [-] [-] Networks On-Line - Houston, Texas [-] [-] 713-467-7100 [-]

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franchises
by randy＠psg.com 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

I have been asked to help two different municipalities understand franchise models and norms for fiber CAP and for cable-IP. If you have some clues, I would appreciate Email, as this is probably not a NANOG discussion. randy

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