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Re: BGP4 COMMUNITY attribute
by Paul G. Donner 27 Mar '97

27 Mar '97

Actually, along this vein (granted, this may not be the place but since the subject came up).. What is the general concensus about passing communities in the "community"? See in-line below... At 01:32 PM 3/27/97 EST, John W. Stewart III wrote: > >many of your questions are for MCI and not nanog > > > In the preparation for upcoming 2nd (multihomed) connection to Internet > > I am looking into > > COMMUNITY attribute of BGP4 as a way (in conjunction with my own > > LOCAL_PREF) of load balancing > > traffic between my two internet links (both T3). After reading CISCO > > documentation I am still not > > clear on some issues: > > > > 1. Is COMMUNITY a transitive attribute only between me and my immediate > > upstream supplier or > > is it being propagated further into Internet (so I can influence how > > somebody ,say, 5 AS hops > > away from me sees my routes) ? > >the attribute is defined as transitive (i.e., once associated >with a route it *stays* associated with the route). however, in Unless an intermediate provider deliberately changes the value, as opposed to appending to it. >practice, many providers are configured to not send communities >to other providers Is this a conscious decision or just that they have not turned on "send-community"? Donner > > > 2. If COMMUNITY propagates into big I, and I set COMMUNITY to 3561:70 > > (for MCI to set > > LOCAL_PREF on my routes to 70) and my next hop supplier sets COMMUNITY > > of my routes to > > 3561:80, what happens ? what MCI is going to do ? > >is one of your immediate upstream provider's MCI? if so, then >you would tag routes with 3561:70 and MCI would immediately see >and react to that. however, you imply that your "next hop >supplier" isn't MCI, which makes it a bit odd for you to be >sending communities for MCI, but is doable if your "next hop >supplier" agrees to carry your communities all the way to MCI > > > 3. Is COMMUNITY a CISCO only or is it part of RFC ? Has any other router > > vendor implemented > > this parameter ? > >rfc1997. i think there's a GateD with communities > >/jws > > > 4. Which major Internet providers have COMMUNITY/LOCAL_PREF implemented > > (I am aware of MCI and Sprint) ? > > > > 5. Your experiences, comments, suggestions ..... > > > > > > Thanks in advance, Walter > > > > > > > > Walter Towbin > > Telus Advanced Communications > > phone: 403-543-2032, fax: 403-543-2030, cell: 403-620-0019 > > walter.towbin(a)telus.com > > > >

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Re: BGP4 COMMUNITY attribute
by Paul G. Donner 27 Mar '97

27 Mar '97

At 02:34 PM 3/27/97 EST, John W. Stewart III wrote: > > > What is the general concensus about passing communities in the "community"? > >i could see a reason for a subscriber passing communities >through a mid-level provider to a top-level provider. but i'm >not sure if it makes sense [yet] for top-levels to pass >communities between themselves > > > > > 1. Is COMMUNITY a transitive attribute only between me and my immediate > > > > upstream supplier or > > > > is it being propagated further into Internet (so I can influence how > > > > somebody ,say, 5 AS hops > > > > away from me sees my routes) ? > > > > > >the attribute is defined as transitive (i.e., once associated > > >with a route it *stays* associated with the route). however, in > > > > Unless an intermediate provider deliberately changes the value, as > > opposed to appending to it. > >these values aren't an end-to-end thing .. it's simply a >way for providers to more easily facilitate routing policies. >your comment implies somebody being a bad guy... Actually, I hadn't necessarily meant to imply "being a bad guy". The comment was meant to show that the "intermediate" ISP has this kind of control over the attribute. In any case, if the decision about whether or not to pass on an attribute (or to modify it) was part of the intermediate ISP's policy, whether or not he/she is a bad guy would depend on varying points of view. Donner > > > >practice, many providers are configured to not send communities > > >to other providers > > > > Is this a conscious decision or just that they have not turned on > > "send-community"? > >both. they don't turn on send-community so that others don't >see their communities. maybe they have some whiz-bang features >that make configing their neat really cool, and they don't want >others to see their communities because it might imply a way for >others to do the same thing without the same amount of work > >/jws > >

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boardwatch magazine -- hotbed of spammers? irresponsible jerks?
by Paul A Vixie 27 Mar '97

27 Mar '97

miserable scumsucking morons from hell? completely unclear on the concept? unaware of what NANOG is? unaware of what the Internet is? you decide. see below. for the record, mr. david dixon, i did NOT ask you for any information, i am NOT an internet service provider, i do NOT allow this kind of trash in my inbox, and your name is now MUD in most of known space. good job. see http://www.vix.com/spam/ for background material. ------- Forwarded Message Received: by gw.home.vix.com; id HAA25989; Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:01:16 -0800 Message-ID: <19970327075941.10104(a)boardwatch.com> From: David Dixon <david.dixon(a)boardwatch.com> Errors-To: david.dixon(a)boardwatch.com Reply-To: david.dixon(a)boardwatch.com Organization: Boardwatch Magazine To: "'Paul Vixie'" <paul(a)vix.com> Subject: Directory of Internet Service Providers Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:59:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Paul Thank you for your interest in the NANOG9 conference. While attending the conference we hoped that you received and enjoyed your Fall issue of Boardwatch Magazine's Directory of Internet Service Providers. We have recently completed the March/April issue and want to send you a complimentary issue and subsequent issues. We currently do not have the correct mailing address to send this issue. Please fill in the information below and return email me so that we may send it out to you as soon as possible. Street address City State Zip Code Thanks and if you need any other information from Boardwatch don't hesitate to call me at (800)933-6038. David Dixon Circulation Manager ------- End of Forwarded Message

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RE: 252 Active TLDs
by Jim Fleming 27 Mar '97

27 Mar '97

On Wednesday, March 26, 1997 6:58 PM, Vadim Antonov[SMTP:avg@pluris.com] wrote: @ I want to register TLD .XXX with eDNS. What should i do @ about it? @ If you want to start a new Top Level Domain, you might want to review http://www.edns.net. For the eDNS system, you will need to contact one of the 5 (last count) Registration Authorities. The eDNS Root Name Server operators get their direction from the RAs. If you want to register in the .XXX Top Level Domain then you need to visit the registry just as you would with the InterNIC. Here are some of the operational registries: @@@@@ http://www.alternic.net/domains/quick_form/ .LNX - Linux Systems .LTD - Limited .MED - Medical .NIC - Network Information Center .XXX - Adult @@@@@ http://www.mcs.net/nic/domain-register.html .CORP - For Corporations (Commercial) .NPO - Not-for-Profit Organizations .K12 - For people under the age of 18 .BIZ - General Business Use @@@@@ http://webtld.com/ .WEB - Web Sites @@@@@ http://www.agn.net/EARTH-DOMAIN.html .EARTH - General @@@@@ http://www.agn.net/USA-DOMAIN.html .USA - General @@@@@ http://www.higgs.net/hanic/reg/ .NEWS - News services, etc. @@@@@ http://www.iperdome.com/rpdn.htm .PER - Personal Domain Names @@@@@@@@@@@@@ By the way, some of the registries such as http://Register.A.Mall and the .CORP registry are developing "channel partner" marketing programs so that you can share in the revenue, thus making the TLD effectively shared even though one company has to handle the key entry of the names and ensure the inegrity of the data. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation http://www.Unir.Corp Check out...http://Register.A.Mall

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RE: 252 Active TLDs
by Vadim Antonov 27 Mar '97

27 Mar '97

Tim Gibson <tim(a)taggnet.skyscape.net> wrote: >Then I'm going to have to counter with 2 trademarks, Canadian and U.S. >...stronger. In U.S. and Canada. Now, i'd like to see infringing stopped on territory of R.F. where U.S. and Canadian trademark registrations do not apply. --vadim

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RE: 252 Active TLDs
by Vadim Antonov 27 Mar '97

27 Mar '97

@ Nah, you don't understand. Somebody have already taken @ .XXX. I suppose that claim is illegitimate, and the rights to @ that TLD belong to me. You see, i own the trademark XXX (cyrillic @ HA-HA-HA), valid in Russian Federation. @ @ Now, would you please hand me rights to dispose the TLD .XXX as @ i see fit? >It sounds like you would be a good candidate >to be a "channel partner". You should contact the >.XXX registry. >Of course you could also start the .HAHAHA >Top Level Domain. If you want to start the >HAHAHA.MALL check with me...;-) No, i would like to enforce my rights and therefore request that this particular TLD being made unavailable to clients on the territory of R.F. I certainly do not want to share it with someone else. --vadim

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RE: 252 Active TLDs
by Jim Fleming 27 Mar '97

27 Mar '97

On Wednesday, March 26, 1997 6:58 PM, Vadim Antonov[SMTP:avg@pluris.com] wrote: @ I want to register TLD .XXX with eDNS. What should i do @ about it? @ If by .XXX, you mean a new 3 letter name, you might want to take advantage of this bit of market research. Here is the frequency count for 3 letter combinations before the .COM TLD. These were taken from a recent list of the over 1,000,000 .COM domains. 17097 NET.COM . 15835 ING.COM . 13821 INC.COM . <---- New TLD 11353 INE.COM . 9026 ION.COM 7496 ECH.COM 7183 ONS.COM 6768 TER.COM 6453 OUP.COM 6032 USA.COM <------ New TLD 5965 WEB.COM <-------- New TLD 5824 ICS.COM 5534 ESS.COM <--- The most common ending in English words... 5295 ARE.COM 5196 ORP.COM 4955 IES.COM 4650 ALL.COM 4619 ENT.COM 4345 COM.COM <-------Interesting 4243 AGE.COM 3840 EST.COM 3722 RTS.COM 3627 ONE.COM 3577 SYS.COM 3575 NCE.COM 3574 DIA.COM 3517 EMS.COM 3473 MES.COM 3411 INK.COM 3397 OFT.COM 3366 CES.COM 3338 ATE.COM 3317 IGN.COM 3297 RLD.COM 3246 ART.COM <--------- New TLD 3235 LES.COM 3192 ITY.COM 3136 LAW.COM <-------- New TLD 3056 ITE.COM 3037 AND.COM 3009 MAN.COM 2984 ICE.COM -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation http://www.Unir.Corp Check out...http://Register.A.Mall

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RE: 252 Active TLDs
by Vadim Antonov 27 Mar '97

27 Mar '97

Jim Fleming <JimFleming(a)unety.net> wrote: On Wednesday, March 26, 1997 6:58 PM, Vadim Antonov[SMTP:avg@pluris.com] wrote: @ I want to register TLD .XXX with eDNS. What should i do @ about it? @ >If you want to register in the .XXX Top Level Domain >then you need to visit the registry just as you would >with the InterNIC. Here are some of the operational >registries: Nah, you don't understand. Somebody have already taken .XXX. I suppose that claim is illegitimate, and the rights to that TLD belong to me. You see, i own the trademark XXX (cyrillic HA-HA-HA), valid in Russian Federation. Now, would you please hand me rights to dispose the TLD .XXX as i see fit? --vadim

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RE: 252 Active TLDs
by Jim Fleming 27 Mar '97

27 Mar '97

On Wednesday, March 26, 1997 8:11 PM, Vadim Antonov[SMTP:avg@pluris.com] wrote: @ Jim Fleming <JimFleming(a)unety.net> wrote: @ @ On Wednesday, March 26, 1997 6:58 PM, Vadim Antonov[SMTP:avg@pluris.com] wrote: @ @ I want to register TLD .XXX with eDNS. What should i do @ @ about it? @ @ @ @ >If you want to register in the .XXX Top Level Domain @ >then you need to visit the registry just as you would @ >with the InterNIC. Here are some of the operational @ >registries: @ @ Nah, you don't understand. Somebody have already taken @ .XXX. I suppose that claim is illegitimate, and the rights to @ that TLD belong to me. You see, i own the trademark XXX (cyrillic @ HA-HA-HA), valid in Russian Federation. @ @ Now, would you please hand me rights to dispose the TLD .XXX as @ i see fit? @ It sounds like you would be a good candidate to be a "channel partner". You should contact the .XXX registry. Of course you could also start the .HAHAHA Top Level Domain. If you want to start the HAHAHA.MALL check with me...;-) -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation http://www.Unir.Corp Check out...http://Register.A.Mall

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Re: 252 Active TLDs
by Vadim Antonov 27 Mar '97

27 Mar '97

I want to register TLD .XXX with eDNS. What should i do about it? --vadim

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