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Re: NSP ... New Information
by Stephen A Misel 04 Jun '97

04 Jun '97

Rob, I've acquired a few /18's from the NIC with simple text block lists of machines and IP addresses. Your miles may vary -- from your text it seems you're an ISP. We're a webfarm.com and we're multihomed (makes an excellent argument for portable space). Steve At 01:36 PM 6/4/97 -0400, Robert A. Pickering Jr. wrote: >Well, that was interesting. > >Thanks to everyone who has responded thus far. I've gotten a lot of >"sale" types of email, but also a lot of really good information. > >It appears as if I was right in my assumption that I needed to get my own >IP block of PI space from the InterNIC. > >So, my follow-up question is this: > >What exact documentation and formats does the InterNIC need to see. >I've been told network diagrams and IP allocations, but that to me >means diagrams, and that means I have to ship them some drawing format. >What do they use? > >Or, can I just great a table of IP addresses and hosts and how my >IPs are allocated to customers, etc. > >I want to make sure that I'm somewhat successful in securing some reasonable >amount of IP space from the NIC, and would like some advice from people >who have gone through this process. > >Thank You Again. > >-Rob > >-- >Robert A. Pickering Jr. Internet Services Manager >Cincinnati Bell Telephone rob(a)fuse.net > > A Rough Whimper of Insanity (Information Superhighway) > >PGP key ID: 75CAFF7D 1995/05/09 >PGP Fingerprint: B1 63 0C 09 D8 2E 5D 69 BB 61 A2 92 22 37 63 C3 > >

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re: the original thirteen NSFNET regionals
by Paul Baer 04 Jun '97

04 Jun '97

For the curious... Paul Baer continued working for BBN after they swallowed BARRNet, although he, I mean I, ended up as a telecommuter supporting their national operations rather than their Western Region. After some time as a proposal writer and a sales support engineer, I have spent the last 12 months as a product manager in their Internet Advantage (connectivity services) group. I was living in State College, PA until Dec. of 1995, at which time my partner and I moved to New Orleans (where she is teaching at Tulane University). This fall I will be returning to graduate school at LSU in Baton Rouge, enrolling in their Environmental Planning and Management program to study ecological economics, a relatively new field that is attempting to draw some recognition to the fact that the human economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the ecosphere. --Paul Baer >>From: Rob Gutierrez <rmg(a)ranma.com> >>Subject: re: the original thirteen NSFNET regionals >>To: nanog(a)merit.edu >>Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 16:40:00 -0700 (PDT) >>Organization: The Ranma Project >>X-Comment: The Ranma Project used to subtitle Japanese cartoons >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu >> >>> >Does anyone remember the NSF-sponsored regional networks? Can you fix >>> >this table--this is off the top of my head so I am missing a few networks. >> >>Does NSI (NASA Science Internet) qualify as one of those? Yeah, it was >>1989 when it started (Hi Milo!), but ... :) >> >>> Name Region NOC was or is at Now >>> >>> BARRnet Bay Area Stanford? Berkeley? BBN WR >>> ^SU then E. Bayshore Rd., Palo Alto >> >>The "NOC" (cough) was in Pine Hall at Stanford next to long-timer Ron Roberts >>office. After the BBN buyout, NOC duties were officially given to BBN >>Cambridge, somewhat bypassing the E. Bayshore/Palo Alto NOC office. The >>western region NOC was supposed to open up (under the capable hands of Chris >>Tsuboi, now with @Home), but time factors never gave Chris the chance >>before his departure from BBN-WR. All calls went to Cambridge and were >>referred to Chris as needed. The NOC office is/was still there >>as a showcase to visitors in the large conference room. >> >>And ... >> >>> Network Contact in 1990, where are they now? >>> >>> BARRNET Paul Baer >>> >>> NEARNET John Rugo >> >>Paul Baer was part of the original BARRNet admin staff when William "Bill" >>Yundt got the ball rolling. Paul came over to BBN after the buyout >>on a consultant basis, but I don't know if he has stayed on at this >>present day. Bill Yundt also came over to the BBN side, then went onward >>with Web TV Networks. >> >>John Rugo was running NEARNet when he was asked to run BARRNet after >>the buyout. After a 2-3 year stint in that position, he went on to >>be on the senior management team at Cisco in their then new ISP group. >> >>The only people left from the original BARRNet at BBN-WR is Vince Fuller >>and Bill Yundt's admin, Nora Lundin. >> >> rob. >> > > >

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Re: Information re: Cyberpromo
by Danny McPherson 03 Jun '97

03 Jun '97

> > Was that some wrappered service? Looked like tcp_wrappers. > I think a router with enough memory would be a better performer > for filtering activies at that layer. > > I did go ahead and install the relay denial rulesets published on > sendmail.org for 8.8.x and they work fine. Cyberpromo appears to > have been using "Cyberbomber" on our ports. > > I guess I'm naive, but I thought NAPS wanted to stop this kind > of thing, and most had explicit rules about it. Guess not. Back to > the clue-store with me. :-/ are you suggesting that providers filter /16's because they were spammed from a host in some tiny portion of the block..? i'd bet it wouldn't take two days, much less two weeks, to receive complaints from our own customer's (or any moderately large provider's) for that sorta thing... one semi-solution would be to receive vixie's spam feed, at least it's as precise as possible .. and less headache. -danny

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Re: URL for undersea cables?
by Scott Huddle 03 Jun '97

03 Jun '97

http://www.ptcable.com/~ptc/iscw/rmenu/rmenu.htm -scott At 11:39 AM 6/3/97 -0400, Kenneth E. Gray wrote: >Hello gents and ladies, > >Following the "connectivity outside the US" thread. Did not some kind gent >proffer a URL to an undersea cable map on this list in the recent past? > >If so, could someone forward it along ... I lost the sucker. > >TIA >Ken Gray || || >ISP Systems Engineer || || >Reston, Virginia USA |||| |||| >tel: +1.703.397.5942 ..:||||||:..:||||||:.. >e-mail: kegray(a)cisco.com c i s c o S y s t e m s >fax: +1.703.397.5999 > >

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Fiber cut between Lynchburg, VA. and Danville, VA.
by Rusty Zickefoose 03 Jun '97

03 Jun '97

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MCI is currently experiencing sub-optimal routing caused by an OC12 fiber cut between Lynchburg and Danville. No ETR at this time. - -- Rusty - --------------------------------------------------------------------- | MCI Communications rusty(a)mci.net | | Internet MCI note the Reply-to | - ---------------------| http://infopage.mci.net |--------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBM5RUku4+ch/bGDylAQG6CgQArsoOqlTLudxnweJfHFzU31QH6cWoe/u6 946QpBf81RIJF01EeDAdxZ5rE9LVXeZl5/JywUNSLIqu0CI+OcpdTg2tAgmw82re WiLuBi8rzVJw9ZO0/IL1QRfN2sRG4O322SkneiEhBj/vt764hWa6w8Zz63UKHGdg 4pOYI9fIMTY= =J1K3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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URL for undersea cables?
by Kenneth E. Gray 03 Jun '97

03 Jun '97

Hello gents and ladies, Following the "connectivity outside the US" thread. Did not some kind gent proffer a URL to an undersea cable map on this list in the recent past? If so, could someone forward it along ... I lost the sucker. TIA Ken Gray || || ISP Systems Engineer || || Reston, Virginia USA |||| |||| tel: +1.703.397.5942 ..:||||||:..:||||||:.. e-mail: kegray(a)cisco.com c i s c o S y s t e m s fax: +1.703.397.5999

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Re: Information re: Cyberpromo
by jprovo＠ma.ultranet.com 03 Jun '97

03 Jun '97

>> Was that some wrappered service? Looked like tcp_wrappers. >> I think a router with enough memory would be a better performer >> for filtering activies at that layer. [snip] >one semi-solution would be to receive vixie's spam feed, at least it's as >precise as possible .. and less headache. I would guess if you can ever get it turned up it is. Affiliation for identifcation, not endorsement, etc etc etc... Joe -- Joe Provo, Network Architect 800.763.8111 x3006 Network Operations Center Fax 508.229.2375 UltraNet Communications, Inc. <jprovo(a)ultra.net>

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NANOG MEETING-TAMPA FL- JUNE 5 & 6
by Pam Ciesla 03 Jun '97

03 Jun '97

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Re: RFC 1918 addresses
by prue＠ISI.EDU 02 Jun '97

02 Jun '97

Paul, >> I agree that ever having a source or destination IP that's RFC1918 outside >> the domain is a very bad thing. >I don't see anyone here disagreeing with that, but apparently a number of >ISP's did not consider the ICMP case when they gave numbers to their T1's, >and so it's a question of definition rather than of intent. Transit nets >are public, not private, and so they have to have public, not private, >addresses. I want to respectfully disagree. I do run internal routing protocols that can't handle VLSM or CIDRization permitting cutting up a class C into 64 disconnected pieces. , igrp in particular. Because of this I would burn too many network numbers by having to use public network numbers for all my T1's. I never permit a case where both sides of a router have RFC1918 address space so there is no confusion in a traceroute at to where to address questions about routing issues. Purity of addresses is valuable but I am willing to compromise on this in this instance. Walt

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Bye...
by bmanning＠ISI.EDU 02 Jun '97

02 Jun '97

-IF- there is a kind person who would be willing to forward me material relevent to network operations I'd appreciate it. Voting w/ his unsubscribe key.... --bill

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