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Outages in the News
by Dan Dale 18 Jul '97

18 Jul '97

http://www.mmp.co.uk/mmp/informer/netnews/HTM/718n1k.htm Are all our jobs in jeopardy? Dan

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Re: DC fiber cut: field report
by Dave O'Shea 18 Jul '97

18 Jul '97

> As we left it struck me that this cut was not if, but when. And more cuts > like it. There was no protection for the cable, no markers of the cable > location. One of the interesting things about the startup of Wiltel was pulling fiber through decommisioned gas pipelines; not only do you get a 1/4" steel backhoe fade margin, but you get scary yellow signs that say "DANGER: HIGH PRESSURE NATURAL GAS LINE"; cut a piece of innerduct and your boss yells at you. Bust a gas pipeline and they can bury what's left of the offender in a thimble - if they can find it.

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WILTEL FIBER CUT
by Alex Rubenstein 18 Jul '97

18 Jul '97

WilTel fiber cut. Loss Multiple DS1 failure. Wiltel is reporting a 'telemetry blackout' in the following cities: Terry Ranch, Ca Evanston, Wy, Kansas City, Mo Salt Lake City, Ut Oakland, Za pheonix, Az 'prt' 'lsa' Seattle, Wa San jose, Ca obtained by calling 800-MFS-CITY --- "Don't go with a spineless ISP; we have more backbone." Alex Rubenstein -- alex(a)nac.net -- KC2BUO -- www.nac.net net @ccess corporation, 201-983-0725 -- 201-983-0725

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Re: NANOG 11 HOTEL INFO
by Alex Rubenstein 18 Jul '97

18 Jul '97

FYI: I called to make reservations today, and there was no problem. At 03:52 PM 7/18/97 -0400, Pam Ciesla wrote: >Jim: > >Uhm, according to my message it's in Phoenix, AZ, however, the hotel is >really in Scotsdale. Which is a suburb of Phoenix. Sorry if this caused >confusion. > Pam > >Message to nanog-announce >************************* > >Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:26:47 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pam Ciesla <pam(a)merit.edu> >Message-Id: <199707181226.IAA02399(a)home.merit.edu> >To: nanog-announce(a)merit.edu >Subject: NANOG 11 HOTEL INFO >Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu >Status: R > > >NANOG 11 >October 27 & 28, 1997 >>From pam Thu Jul 17 12:25:55 1997 >Return-Path: pam >Received: (from pam@localhost) by home.merit.edu (8.8.6/merit-2.0) id MAA13746 f >or nanog-announce; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:25:55 -0400 (EDT) >Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:25:55 -0400 (EDT) >From: Pam Ciesla <pam> >Message-Id: <199707171625.MAA13746(a)home.merit.edu> >To: nanog-announce >Subject: NANOG 11 HOTEL INFO > > >NANOG 11 >Phoenix, AZ >October 27 & 28, 1997 (Tutorial 10/26 7:30-9:00PM) >Radisson Resort Scottsdale >7171 N. Scottsdale Road >Scottsdale, AZ 85253 >602-991-3800 - phone >800-333-3333 - phone >602-948-1381 - fax (reservations) >$155 + tax per night (S/D) >$225 + tax per night suites >**Please mention NANOG when you register** > >Other available hotels: > >Hampton Inn 602-443-3233 $82.00 + tax per night >Fairfield Inn 602-945-4392 $79.00 + tax per night > >Meeting to be hosted by Genuity. > >Registration will be open August 1 cost $150.00. > >Web Pages will be available soon. > >I am looking into getting discounts on airfare. Will update as information is >available. > >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Pam Ciesla 313-936-0172 - phone >Merit Network, Inc. 313-647-3185 - fax >University of Michigan >4251 Plymouth Road >Bldg. I, Suite C >Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2785 >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > --- "Don't go with a spineless ISP; we have more backbone." Alex Rubenstein -- alex(a)nac.net -- KC2BUO -- www.nac.net net @ccess corporation, 201-983-0725 -- 201-983-0725

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Los Angeles Fiber Cut @ 1:50 PM PST
by Josh Beck 18 Jul '97

18 Jul '97

UUnet is completely down to SDG1 (San Diego) due to a Los Angeles fiber cut, ETA unknown... happy happy joy joy. Josh Beck jbeck(a)connectnet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CONNECTNet INS, Inc. Phone: (619)450-0254 Fax: (619)450-3216 6370 Lusk Blvd., Suite F-208 San Diego, CA 92121 ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Yet another fiber cut.
by Matthew Holway 18 Jul '97

18 Jul '97

Well the fiber cut this time(ie. Friday) is in Kansas City. Anyone up for a conspiracy Theory? ******************************** Matthew Holway - mholway(a)eni.net Network Engineering Department Network Engineer Epoch Networks (714)474-4950 ********************************

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RE: DC fiber cut: field report
by Dan Dale 18 Jul '97

18 Jul '97

Actually only a percentage +/-9% of the old WilTel network is still in pipe. A great sales tool though. The ring concept is noble one. Most carriers are trying their hardest to build those systems. What has prevented it so far is order backlog! There are so many pending orders for additional network that the new fiber builds are going in as linear SONET OC-48 and OC-192 where available. Seems that they can't afford to part with the precious overhead that the RINGS require. Dan L Dale Sr. Sales Engineer Exodus Communications, Inc. (formerly of MCI and WorldCom) -----Original Message----- From: Owen DeLong [SMTP:owen@DeLong.SJ.CA.US] Subject: Re: DC fiber cut: field report The thing that doesn't make sense to me in all of this is that SONET is supposed to be built as RINGS. With a Service side and a Protect side to each switch. BIFF should, in theory, only take out one or the other, but not both. WHY, with what we pay these carriers every month, do they not divergent-path route these critical wide-area links so that this isn't fatal? > > Anyone from MFS/WilTel/WorldCom/UUNET/AlterNet/whoever-else-they-buy-but- still-don't-fix-what-they-have care to comment? Owen DeLong Exodus

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Re: Outages in the News
by Alex Rubenstein 18 Jul '97

18 Jul '97

TKR Cables Channel 20 was in our office today. Scary; we will be on TeeVee. At 02:04 PM 7/18/97 -0400, Cameo Wood wrote: >Better watch out, more reporting to come soon. I was just called by 3 >seperate magazines for a quote about the NSI problems that we have been >having. The scary part is, 2 of them got my number from my postings on >usenet. I hope they aren't citing any Joe-Bob CNE they talk to as being >an "Internet Engineer for a major ISP." Then we are all in big trouble. > >On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, J.D. Falk wrote: > >> On Jul 18, MFS <michael(a)dook.org> wrote: >> >> > Looks like this person has confused Eugene Kashpureff's stunts with >> > the NSI debacle. >> > >> > It's things like this that threaten our (as well as the network's) reputation >> > when read by the 'internet savvy' public. >> >> There was a good article in the San Jose Mercury News which >> covered both events, but made it pretty clear that experts >> such as some guy from the FBI didn't think there was any real >> connection between them. Only important thing the article >> missed, IMHO, is that there's already new software out which >> wasn't as susceptible to Kashpureff's idiotic stunt. >> >> http://www.sjmercury.com/news/netglitch071797.htm >> >> (Where else but Silicon Valley would this be front-page news?) >> >> ********************************************************* >> J.D. Falk voice: +1-415-482-2840 >> Supervisor, Network Operations fax: +1-415-482-2844 >> PRIORI NETWORKS, INC. http://www.priori.net >> "The People You Know. The People You Trust." >> ********************************************************* >> > --- "Don't go with a spineless ISP; we have more backbone." Alex Rubenstein -- alex(a)nac.net -- KC2BUO -- www.nac.net net @ccess corporation, 201-983-0725 -- 201-983-0725

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BOOM 2, The Revenge!
by Matthew Pearson 18 Jul '97

18 Jul '97

15:37pm Eastern Time WorldCom suffered ANOTHER LA area fibercut according to their noc.. Here we go again boys & girls..

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Service Restoral
by rbenn＠clark.net 18 Jul '97

18 Jul '97

Found an interesting article by Nathan Muller on the subject of WAN Service Restoral. http://www.ddx.com/restoral.shtml Some interesting points in here about how SONET should work in the event of a failure. Randy Benn

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