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thats stupid
by pevon＠cyberstreet.com 29 Jul '97

29 Jul '97

dear nasa.com,my name is glen.i like tecnology type things.i like to go to nasa.gov to see the new pathfinder pictures.but its a bit confusing to see the differince between nasa.com and nasa.gov.kix.country 92.9 told people to go to nasa.gov to see the pathfinder pictures and not to go to nasa.com because they have pictures of women having sex and naked women.yours truly glen. ps. e-mail me at pevon(a)cyberstreet.com thank you

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RE: "1997, the Year of the Backhoe" ...Re: Fiber Cut In Sterling VA.
by brandon＠rd.bbc.co.uk 29 Jul '97

29 Jul '97

> >For those of us who have not grown up with the (what sounds like) > >delightful vagaries of US road management - what is a backhoe ? > > > > Simple answer: a mechanical shovel. > > More precisely: a relatively small-size ... More precisely for the UK: a JCB Brandon

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RE: "1997, the Year of the Backhoe" ...Re: Fiber Cut InSterling VA.
by Chris A. Icide 29 Jul '97

29 Jul '97

And of course, anything that happens to lie in the path of said trench experiences an abrupt separation. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Ferguson [SMTP:pferguso@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 10:50 AM To: Peter Galbavy Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: "1997, the Year of the Backhoe" ...Re: Fiber Cut InSterling VA. At 04:16 PM 07/29/97 +0100, Peter Galbavy wrote: >> "1997, the Year of the Backhoe" > >For those of us who have not grown up with the (what sounds like) >delightful vagaries of US road management - what is a backhoe ? > There is a picture of prominently displayed at: http://www.cat.com/products/equip/bhl/bhl.htm The backhoe portion is the rear-end attachment used to dig trenches. :-) - paul

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RE: "1997, the Year of the Backhoe" ...Re: Fiber Cut In Sterling VA.
by Paul Ferguson 29 Jul '97

29 Jul '97

At 04:16 PM 07/29/97 +0100, Peter Galbavy wrote: >> "1997, the Year of the Backhoe" > >For those of us who have not grown up with the (what sounds like) >delightful vagaries of US road management - what is a backhoe ? > There is a picture of prominently displayed at: http://www.cat.com/products/equip/bhl/bhl.htm The backhoe portion is the rear-end attachment used to dig trenches. :-) - paul

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Re: "1997, the Year of the Backhoe" ...Re: Fiber Cut In Sterling VA.
by Diana Ricci 29 Jul '97

29 Jul '97

On Jul 29, 11:54am, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > Subject: Re: "1997, the Year of the Backhoe" ...Re: Fiber Cut In Sterling > > Peter Galbavy writes: > > > "1997, the Year of the Backhoe" > > > > For those of us who have not grown up with the (what sounds like) > > delightful vagaries of US road management - what is a backhoe ? > > A type of "steam" shovel -- i.e. a particular kind of the class of > mechanical devices with a large articulated arm with a big scoop at > the end used for digging trenches and such. The details of what > distinguishes a backhoe from other members of the class aren't > important for your purposes... So, what's a backhoe anyway? And do you think you can find a picture of one anywhere on the net...say, at http://www.cat.com/products/equip/bhl/bhl.htm, perhaps?

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RE: "1997, the Year of the Backhoe" ...Re: Fiber Cut In Sterling VA.
by Peter Galbavy 29 Jul '97

29 Jul '97

On 29 July 1997 16:17, Peter Galbavy [SMTP:peter@demon.net] wrote: > For those of us who have not grown up with the (what sounds like) > delightful vagaries of US road management - what is a backhoe ? Thanks for that folks. I now know that "backhoe" == "JCB". :) -- Peter Galbavy Demon Internet Ltd

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Notice of LINX maintenance
by Paul Thornton 29 Jul '97

29 Jul '97

Apologies for being slightly off topic, and I know it isn't in North America :-) The London Internet Exchange (LINX), the primary UK interconnect point, is being physically relocated this weekend, from Saturday 26 June 23:00 GMT to Sunday 27 June 05:00 GMT. There should not be any major impact, but paths to K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET may change as various peering sessions go down and come back up. This is just a 'heads up' posting so you are aware that it is happening. Some of the routing between UK ISPs may be affected, although a lot of effort has been put into ensuring that there is minimal impact to any external networks. For more information, see http://www.linx.net/moveinfo.html (this is aimed at the customers of our members, but does give an overview of what is happening) Paul -- Paul Thornton, Network Engineer, London Internet Exchange Ltd. Tel: 07000 783797 Mobile: +44 467 372205

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Re: Internic does it again
by Jay R. Ashworth 29 Jul '97

29 Jul '97

On Mon, Jul 28, 1997 at 12:00:10PM -0700, Sarah Baker wrote: > Off-topic to nanog. It appears that the members of the list feel it's a worthy topic for discussion. Since you obviously don't, and I can just feel Paul Ferguson and Randy Baker slavering at the bit, I'm going to try asking this just _one_ more time, and if I don't get an answer within, say, 48 hours, I'm going to start plonking people who yell "off-topic": ************************** Would an administrator of this list please compose and post a message defining in precise terms what topic areas are on- and off-topic for the NANOG mailing list? ************************** Pay careful attention, folks: the AUP is useless. It has not clearly forbidden _any_ of the topics I've seen people get screamed at about in the past month, with the sole exception of my bit of (you'll have to admit: provoked) ventilation a week or so ago, for which I hereby apologize publically to the parites involved. Private correspondence from people who might be expected to have valid opinions tells me that this problem _is not me_. The definition of the list is obviously inadequate, and I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that the list needs to be split into an announce list and a discussion list, although I haven't quite yet characterized the exact distinction in the traffic. In short: this list is turning into an old-boys (and -girls_ club, in which the participants are expected to guess what the rules really are, and mistakes are punished by beheading. The Emperor really _has_ no lightsaber. Let's buy him one, no? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth High Technology Systems Consulting Ashworth Designer Linux: Where Do You Want To Fly Today? & Associates ka1fjx/4 Crack. It does a body good. +1 813 790 7592 jra(a)baylink.com http://rc5.distributed.net NIC: jra3

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Re: Internic does it again
by George Herbert 29 Jul '97

29 Jul '97

Jay writes: >On Mon, Jul 28, 1997 at 12:00:10PM -0700, Sarah Baker wrote: >> Off-topic to nanog. > >It appears that the members of the list feel it's a worthy topic for >discussion. Since you obviously don't, and I can just feel Paul >Ferguson and Randy Baker slavering at the bit, I'm going to try asking >this just _one_ more time, and if I don't get an answer within, say, 48 >hours, I'm going to start plonking people who yell "off-topic": > > ************************** > Would an administrator of this list please compose and post a message > defining in precise terms what topic areas are on- and off-topic for > the NANOG mailing list? > ************************** > >Pay careful attention, folks: the AUP is useless. It has not clearly >forbidden _any_ of the topics I've seen people get screamed at about in >the past month, with the sole exception of my bit of (you'll have to >admit: provoked) ventilation a week or so ago, for which I hereby >apologize publically to the parites involved. [...] IMHO: The key problem here is people not understanding what "operational and technical" means in common parlance, I think. Is InterNIC crashing an operational problem? Yes. Is InterNIC not responding for some time an operational problem? Maybe... Until you know why they crashed, it's definitely on topic to be trying to figure out why and how, if it's affecting operations. Is it still an operational or technical problem weeks later? No. InterNIC's failures and flaws are fodder for a number of other mailing lists related to DNS policy discussions among others. Except as is operationally relevant, however, they're not appropriate for NANOG. They generally are only operationally relevant when something breaks, until it's fixed. -george william herbert gherbert(a)crl.com >From the web site: Mailing list charter & AUP: # Charter # # The NANOG mailing list is established to provide a forum for # the exchange of technical information and the discussion of # specific implementation issues that require cooperation among # network service providers. In order to continue to provide a # useful forum for discussion of relevant technical issues, # the list will now be governed by the following guidelines: # # Acceptable Use Policy # # 1.Discussion will focus on Internet operational and # technical issues as described in the charter of NANOG. # 2.Postings of issues inconsistent with the charter are prohibited. # 3.Postings to multiple mailing lists are discouraged. # 4.Postings that include foul language, character assassination, # and lack of respect for other participants are prohibited. # 5.Blatant product marketing is unacceptable. # 6.Postings of political, philosophical, and legal nature are discouraged. # # Individuals who violate these guidelines will be contacted # personally and asked to adhere to the guidelines. If an individual # persists in violating the guidelines, the convenor of NANOG, # Merit Network, Inc., will take action to filter the offender's # messages to the list. # # If groups of individuals persist in introducing topics that # are outside the charter of NANOG, the convenor will send a # request to the entire mailing list requesting adherence to # the guidelines. If the discussion continues unabated, # the convenor will take action to filter all postings on the topic. NANOG Charter: # Objectives of the Group # # The goals of NANOG are as follows: # # * Will hold three regular meetings of network service providers per year. # * Establish a forum for the exchange of technical information. # * Discuss specific implementation issues which require cooperation # and coordination among network service providers to ensure the # stability of overall service to the network users. # * Serve as a focal point for other common activities of the participants. # * Promote and coordinate interconnection of networks within # North America and to other continents.

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Bogus Bounces on the list
by Jay R. Ashworth 28 Jul '97

28 Jul '97

I've just gotten off the phone with Michael Maiten, the postmaster at Energetic Systems. He's most apologetic about the bogus bounce messages we've been getting from his system for the past couple days, and reports that he's disabling the bouncer until he tracks down both the problem, and the reason for the incorrect From_ and From: headers on the generated replies. HTH, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra(a)baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Unsolicited Commercial Emailers Sued The Suncoast Freenet "People propose, science studies, technology Tampa Bay, Florida conforms." -- Dr. Don Norman +1 813 790 7592

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