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Re: FYA
by Ronald F. Guilmette 05 Sep '97

05 Sep '97

In message <199709042044.NAA32211(a)wisdom.rc.vix.com>, you wrote: > >------- Forwarded Message > >Message-ID: <01BCB94B.EBBDC6E0.jordy(a)wserv.com> >From: Jordan Mendelson <jordy(a)wserv.com> >To: "nanog(a)merit.edu" <nanog(a)merit.edu> >Subject: RE: are you an ISP thinking of spamming or condoning spammer customer >s? >Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:02:15 -0400 >Organization: Web Services, Inc. >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 >Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu > >On Thursday, September 04, 1997 3:50 PM, Paul A Vixie [SMTP:paul@vix.com] >wrote: >> Have a look at <URL: http://www.config.com/apology/public/spam/> first. > >I think we should bring back castration/mastectomy as a means of punishment >for those who spam. Works for me! In Islamic countries, I believe that the standard punishment for stealing is to have your hands cut off. This is both a punishment _and_ a way of preventing repeat offenses. With regard to either goal, I believe it is most effective. My own feeling is that a similar sort of combination should be used in the case of spammers, i.e. they should be punished by being banned entirely from the net for a period of from 2 to 10 years, depending upon the severity of the offense. >Just an opinion after the 34th copy of this ARE YOU BEING INVESTIGATED spam >has hit my box. Yes. In that guy's case, I would make an exception and cut off his nuts (if he has any). I have gotten a bunch of his crap too. -- Ron Guilmette, Roseville, California ---------- E-Scrub Technologies, Inc. -- Deadbolt(tm) Personal E-Mail Filter demo: http://www.e-scrub.com/deadbolt/ -- Wpoison (web harvester poisoning) demo: http://monkeys.com/cgi-bin/wpoison

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Re: Anyone Deployed Ascend's GRF IP Switch?
by Peter Lothberg 04 Sep '97

04 Sep '97

> > > GRF's also take about 5-10 minutes to reboot, which can be annoying. > > Nathan Stratton President, CTO, NetRail,Inc. > My 7206s reboot in well under a minute (the -p- builds fit right into > bootflash, so no need for a boot-then-think-then-load-flash-then-think > cycle). > > Once up, they transfer full routes bidirectionally with 7505s in > 10-15 seconds. > Avi Our BFR:s (cisco 12000) reboots in less than a minute and if it's a box reload the outage is short enough so that downstream IBGP speakers maintain their BGP sessions that are routed through the reloaded box. --Peter

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RE: are you an ISP thinking of spamming or condoning spammer customers?
by Jordan Mendelson 04 Sep '97

04 Sep '97

On Thursday, September 04, 1997 3:50 PM, Paul A Vixie [SMTP:paul@vix.com] wrote: > Have a look at <URL: http://www.config.com/apology/public/spam/> first. I think we should bring back castration/mastectomy as a means of punishment for those who spam. Just an opinion after the 34th copy of this ARE YOU BEING INVESTIGATED spam has hit my box. Jordan -- Jordan Mendelson : www.wserv.com/~jordy/ Web Services, Inc. : www.wserv.com

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are you an ISP thinking of spamming or condoning spammer customers?
by Paul A Vixie 04 Sep '97

04 Sep '97

Have a look at <URL:http://www.config.com/apology/public/spam/> first.

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Re: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls
by Selina F. Priestley 04 Sep '97

04 Sep '97

> On Wednesday, September 03, 1997 7:34 PM, Charles Sprickman > [SMTP:spork@inch.com] wrote: > > > > > MR. FREEH: > > > We work, as you know, particularly in the > > > pedophile cases, with on-line services who give us, > > > > For God's sake, what is the obsession with pedophiles?? How many > > pedophiles pgp encode their porn?? > > Seriously, they try to grasp at the smallest things. > > If I lock my porn in a 40 ft thick steel safe, does that mean I have to give > uncle sam a key if they ask? > > US Government restrictions (and a few other anal countries out there), are > getting silly. When the law is being made by people who don't understand the > problem, people who don't understand the benefits, and people who have no clue > what they are making the laws for, then we have a serious issue on our hands > and it's time we start thinking about getting some knowledgable people into > office. > > Makes you just want to move to Mars and start all over doesn't it? > Let's turn this into a useful conversation: If we do not believe that getting a backdoor to our keys is a useful way to insure security on the network, maybe isn't even addressing the root issues, then What *are* the real issues with security on the network? How should we work to address these issues, both at the network and application layers? How will this solve the 'child porn problem'? What are the barriers involved in any proposed solutions? How can we trace criminals/spam artists/hackers easily and hand them over to the feds w/o handing over our rights as well? If we don't have any answers to these questions, and plans for getting there, then we might as well quit our bitching. Selina

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NANOG MEETING OCTOBER 27 & 28
by Pam Ciesla 04 Sep '97

04 Sep '97

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Re: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow
by Mark_Kaepplein＠BayNetworks.COM 04 Sep '97

04 Sep '97

Politicians themselves proved there is no need for backdoors. Cryptography information is published in cleartext, yet is still not understood by them. They have the legal language, and to keep outsiders at bay, require a license to use it! Encrypt pornography? Its too slow already to un-uuencode and un-jpeg the stuff! Wider spread use of encryption would be good for Intel. The 85% of PC users needing faster and faster computers just so games run better can better justify the expense with needing fast decryption. The FBI doesn't want porn files, they want the customer lists of those doing business: pornographers, bookies, drug dealers, pimps. I wish customer lists of the real scumbags, like Cyberpromo were available!

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RE: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls
by Jordan Mendelson 04 Sep '97

04 Sep '97

On Wednesday, September 03, 1997 7:34 PM, Charles Sprickman [SMTP:spork@inch.com] wrote: > > > MR. FREEH: > > We work, as you know, particularly in the > > pedophile cases, with on-line services who give us, > > For God's sake, what is the obsession with pedophiles?? How many > pedophiles pgp encode their porn?? Seriously, they try to grasp at the smallest things. If I lock my porn in a 40 ft thick steel safe, does that mean I have to give uncle sam a key if they ask? US Government restrictions (and a few other anal countries out there), are getting silly. When the law is being made by people who don't understand the problem, people who don't understand the benefits, and people who have no clue what they are making the laws for, then we have a serious issue on our hands and it's time we start thinking about getting some knowledgable people into office. Makes you just want to move to Mars and start all over doesn't it? Jordan -- Jordan Mendelson : www.wserv.com/~jordy/ Web Services, Inc. : www.wserv.com

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! Hello, Internic ?
by Alex Rubenstein 04 Sep '97

04 Sep '97

So I go to check on a domain. [root@tempest not-done]# whois evolving.org [rs.internic.net] fwhois: connect: No route to host HuH! I try it again, to make sure I am not nutz. [root@tempest not-done]# whois evolving.org [rs.internic.net] fwhois: connect: No route to host Hrmph. traceroute to rs.internic.net (198.41.0.12), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 nac-den1-e1-10Mb (207.99.2.251) 3.055 ms 2.994 ms 8.383 ms 2 nac-nyc3-s1-107-768k (207.99.8.121) 21.83 ms 19.578 ms 7.899 ms 3 nac-nyc1-fa0-100Mb (207.99.0.201) 37.015 ms 29.305 ms 23.439 ms 4 nac-nyc1-fa0-100Mb (207.99.0.201) 21.792 ms !H What?! So I nyc1>sho ip bgp 198.41.0.12 BGP routing table entry for 198.41.0.0/22, version 1646816 Paths: (1 available, no best path, advertised over IBGP, EBGP) 3847 701 6245, (aggregated by 6245 207.152.190.10) (history entry) 207.240.48.49 from 207.240.48.49 (207.240.48.1) Origin IGP, external, atomic-aggregate Dampinfo: penalty 1306, flapped 3 times in 00:11:18 Maybe my connection is hosed? Lets look at digex: BGP routing table entry for 198.41.0.0/22, version 3052988 Paths: (3 available, no best path, advertised over IBGP) 3561 6245, (aggregated by 6245 207.152.190.10) (history entry) 192.41.177.181 from 192.41.177.181 (204.70.7.53) Origin IGP, metric 11, localpref 100, external, atomic-aggregate Community: 2548:668 Dampinfo: penalty 561, flapped 1 times in 00:12:29 701 6245, (aggregated by 6245 207.152.190.10) (history entry) 192.41.177.248 from 192.41.177.248 (137.39.3.57) Origin IGP, metric 1, localpref 100, external, atomic-aggregate Community: 2548:668 Dampinfo: penalty 965, flapped 2 times in 00:10:01 1 6245, (aggregated by 6245 198.41.0.1) (history entry) 198.32.186.2 from 198.32.186.2 (4.0.0.10) Origin IGP, metric 180, localpref 100, external, atomic-aggregate Community: 2548:668 Dampinfo: penalty 835, flapped 2 times in 00:12:46 Sheesh.

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Re: FBI calls for mandatory key escrow; Denning on export ctrls
by irwin＠niwot.scd.ucar.EDU 04 Sep '97

04 Sep '97

Just remember: "When encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption."

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