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Re: GTE to acquire Genuity
by George J. Broadfoot III 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

Of course being all public companies one can go to www.sec.gov and read the filings of each and get the specifics of what is owned by who. George J. Broadfoot III VP of Operations Laser Link Network Services, Inc. 610.566.2993 > >typical nanog bitter-batter: making assumptions based upon half >truths.

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NAP Solutions
by Brian Horvitz 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

Has anybody though about a packet over sonet solution for an exchange? Seems like you could get a pretty effective answer out of a GSR with OC3 and OC12 interfaces... Brian Horvitz

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Press-Release: Support model of the Internet Service Providers for the DFN/WIN is discontinued - German WiN links are shut down
by Winfried Haug 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

Hello. First sorry for the long e-Mail, but what happens in Germany now will affect the whole community and therefor i think you should read this mail :-) This press-Release is also available at http://www.decix.de/winpresseE.html. Information about the decix can be found at http://www.decix.de. Thank you for your patience --- Winfried Haug - Sprecher AK-DECIX im ECO e.V - Chair of AK-DECIX within ECO e.V For more information about the only neutral Germany Exchange Point DE-CIX please visit http://www.decix.de. The ECO Homepage may be found at http://www.eco.de If you want more information about joining DE-CIX please contact: sprecher(a)decix.de ------------------------schnipp-------------------schnipp--------------------- PRESS RELEASE COMPANY NEWS Support model of the Internet Service Providers for the DFN is discontinued German WiN links are shut down Germany, November 1997. The leading German Internet Service Providers (ISPs) are ending the current voluntary support of the German science network (WiN) link to the commercial Internet landscape. The deadline has been set for 31 December 1997. In order to avoid a data exchange between the WiN and the commercial networks via international links which is cost-intensive for the tax-payer, the commercial Internet providers, at the suggestion of the DFN association, are offering a central exchange point as the new support model. Past support of the academic sector of the Internet Historically, the commercial network and the part of the Internet used for scientific purposes in Germany were based on different infrastructures. The commercial Internet providers support the link of the academic network (WiN) to the commercial Internet landscape. The millions needed annually for the financing of this support is voluntary and one-sided by the commercial Internet Service Providers (ISPs). Discontinuation of the present support model at the end of the year The growing range of demand and the rising amount of access to commercial Internet contents from the WiN side is leading to a cost explosion of the current model. For this reason the ISPs will adapt their support of the DFN at the end of the year. As a result of the planned shutting down of the direct connection between the German ISPs and the WiN, in future data will be exchanged between the networks exclusively via international connections in the USA. For the ISPs this will lead to better capacity use of the international lines and evens out the current surplus net traffic from the USA to Germany. The international link of the WiN would be put under a lot of pressure by the joint additional traffic of its USA subscribers, which will lead to a price increase for the international link. This will have to be financed by tax revenue, which DFNs WiN instigates by the state. In order to measure the precise effects a shut down will have on the traffic flow, the German ISPs will shut down their connections to WiN on 25th November 1997 at 12 oclock for a trial period of 24 hours. Favoured solution by support model of a self-financing exchange point A new support model is currently being discussed by the commercial ISPs. This model allows for the setting-up of a central exchange point in Germany for the traffic between the German scientific network and the commercial networks. The setting-up and development of the tie would be sponsored by the ISPs with a one-off knock-on financing in the region of almost one million Marks over a two year period. The exchange of traffic via this type of connection point would ease the burden on the tax-payer by about six million Marks every year. This support model will be presented to the committee of the DFN and all its members in an open letter within the next few days. Undersigned Internet Service Providers Gerfnet Germany, Compuserve Network Services, GTN (Deutsches Provider Network), ECRC, Interactiv Networx, IS Internet Services, mediaWays, Nacamar, NetUse, NTG/Xlink, POP Point of Presence, Seicom, Spacenet, TCP/IP Contrib.net, UUNET Deutschland

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Re: Well done Sprint!
by Scott Huddle 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

Which is just *too* bad, as we were able to glean marketing stats about their network while they had this information ;) [from a long time ago...] Sprint Speed Count % of % of Customers Bandwidth 45000000 15 0.7% 25.8% 12360000 0 0.0% 0.0% 10200000 0 0.0% 0.0% 10000000 0 0.0% 0.0% 8048000 0 0.0% 0.0% 6000000 0 0.0% 0.0% 5000000 6 0.3% 1.1% 4500000 0 0.0% 0.0% 4000000 0 0.0% 0.0% 3088000 0 0.0% 0.0% 3072000 0 0.0% 0.0% 3055000 0 0.0% 0.0% 3000000 0 0.0% 0.0% 2048000 4 0.2% 0.3% 2000000 0 0.0% 0.0% 1544000 1117 55.5% 65.9% 1472000 0 0.0% 0.0% 1408000 2 0.1% 0.1% 1344000 13 0.6% 0.7% 1024000 0 0.0% 0.0% 768000 23 1.1% 0.7% 640000 4 0.2% 0.1% 512000 65 3.2% 1.3% 448000 4 0.2% 0.1% 384000 54 2.7% 0.8% 256000 178 8.8% 1.7% 224000 0 0.0% 0.0% 128000 105 5.2% 0.5% 112000 0 0.0% 0.0% 64000 395 19.6% 1.0% 56000 0 0.0% 0.0% Total 2014 100.0% 100.0% Total subscription 2.62Gb Nice while it lasted ;) -scott > From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Wed Nov 12 18:13 EST 1997 > X-Authentication-Warning: aegis.noc.telalink.net: rmc owned process doing -bs > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:58:31 -0600 (CST) > From: Bob Collie <rmc(a)telalink.net> > X-Sender: rmc(a)aegis.noc.telalink.net > Reply-To: Bob Collie <bob.collie(a)telalink.net> > To: "Neil J. McRae" <neil(a)domino.org> > cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Well done Sprint! > X-Mailer: BobMail 1.0 (based on Pine 3.95) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu > Content-Type> : > TEXT/PLAIN> ; > charset=US-ASCII> > Content-Length: 1344 > > Although it appears that they have dropped off the link speed, etc > and interface from the name... > > > Aaah... > > -Bob > > > On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Neil J. McRae wrote: > > > > > Wee after only about a year Sprint have lost the "/"'s! > > > > traceroute to www.sprint.net (204.117.214.13), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > > 1 router (194.70.50.129) 1.397 ms 1.2 ms 3.505 ms > > 2 gin-nyy-ac1.Teleglobe.net (207.45.199.245) 83.074 ms 82.97 ms 82.858 ms > > 3 sl-gw16-pen-2-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.164.61) 85.841 ms 85.247 ms 85.274 ms > > 4 208.28.7.25 (208.28.7.25) 103.272 ms 96.141 ms 88.932 ms > > 5 sl-bb6-pen-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.0.77) 87.373 ms 101.192 ms 94.284 ms > > 6 sl-bb3-pen-4-0-0-155M.sprintlink.net (144.232.0.73) 90.893 ms 86.522 ms 90.032 ms > > 7 sl-bb2-dc-5-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.8.2) 91.378 ms 90.434 ms 92.114 ms > > 8 sl-s1-dc-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.20.121) 92.608 ms 92.737 ms 92.398 ms > > 9 ftp.sprintlink.net (204.117.214.13) 98.038 ms * 90.365 ms > > > > -- > > Neil J. McRae. Alive and Kicking. Domino: In the glow of the night > > neil(a)DOMINO.ORG NetBSD/sparc: 100% SpF (Solaris protection Factor) > > Free the daemon in your <A HREF="http://www.NetBSD.ORG/">computer!</A> > > > > -- > Bob Collie, VP/Chief Technical Officer, Telalink Corporation > mailto:bob.collie@telalink.net > >

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new facility for nanog mailing list
by Richard Welty 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

in light of the ongoing discussions about what kind of subject matter is appropriate to the nanog mailing list, i have completed development of an "autoflamer" intended to detect any inappropriate postings to nanog and generate a suitable obnoxious response. in light of the difficulty of determing appropriateness of postings to nanog, it appears that all postings to nanog will have to be "autoflamed". this facility will be enabled on April 1st, 1998. cheers, richard -- Richard Welty Chief Internet Engineer, INet Solutions welty(a)inet-solutions.net http://www.inet-solutions.net/~welty/ 888-311-INET

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GTE to acquire Genuity
by Bob Collie 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

Doesn't this mean that GTE Internetworking will own: BBN NAP.NET Genuity GTE's own network? -Bob --On Thu, Nov 13, 1997 9:58 AM -0800 "Joe McDonald" <joe(a)vpop.net> wrote: > > You should *not* cut and paste this into your router: > > GTE to Acquire Genuity: > http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/1997/11/1301-gte.html > > -joe > > ============================================================================ > * NewsHub: Updated every 15 minutes/24 hours a day! * > http://web.NewsHub.com/ -- Bob Collie, VP/Chief Technical Officer, Telalink Corporation mailto:bob.collie@telalink.net

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GTE to Acquire Genuity
by joe＠vpop.net 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

You should *not* cut and paste this into your router: GTE to Acquire Genuity: http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/1997/11/1301-gte.html -joe ============================================================================= * NewsHub: Updated every 15 minutes/24 hours a day! * http://web.NewsHub.com/

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Wow! Totally overwhelmed!
by Sheryl Chapin 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

I am totally overwhelmed by the responses I got from my request for help. Suggestions to buy certain books (which my local Barnes & Noble doesn't have, but they're ordered) right up to phone calls offering help. I really appreciate all the advice and help I've been offerred and I apologize if I don't get a chance to thank everyone individually :-) Thanks muchly! Sheryl Sheryl Chapin CommTel Internet 207.377.3508 schapin(a)ctel.net

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Re: new facility for nanog mailing list
by Paul G. Donner 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

What is your criteria for judging a message to be auto-flamed? At 05:16 PM 11/12/97 +0000, Richard Welty wrote: >in light of the ongoing discussions about what kind of subject matter >is appropriate to the nanog mailing list, i have completed >development of an "autoflamer" intended to detect any inappropriate >postings to nanog and generate a suitable obnoxious response. > >in light of the difficulty of determing appropriateness of postings >to nanog, it appears that all postings to nanog will have to be >"autoflamed". > >this facility will be enabled on April 1st, 1998. > >cheers, > richard >-- >Richard Welty Chief Internet Engineer, INet Solutions >welty(a)inet-solutions.net http://www.inet-solutions.net/~welty/ >888-311-INET > >

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by Stéphane Jacquet 13 Nov '97

13 Nov '97

Give a visit to my home page !!!!! ================================== Stépane Jacquet sjacquet(a)musician.org http://www.worldnet.net/~sjacquet/

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