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RE: Eugene Kashpureff's Defense Fund
by jodi 27 Nov '97

27 Nov '97

Observations : 1. Is this an organization for Domain Names for registering them and maintaining them , and developing global policy ?? 2. If this Person has breached federal telecommunication regulations ? if so . then must pay for the crimes as set down in the countries law.!!!! 3. Defense Fund , if people want to help this person , this should not be connected in anyway to this organization or this may be seen around the world as an incorrect organization policy !!!!!!! 4. I am confused over the role of the CORE know because of this discussion on a issue that doesn't concern the domain registration or GLTD policy development. Yours Sincerely Brian Burnett President PacificaNet -----Original Message----- From: owner-gtld-discuss(a)imc.org On Behalf Of Bob Allisat Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 3:33 PM To: Geoff White Cc: Karl Denninger; Marc Hurst; Paul A Vixie; nanog(a)merit.edu; newdom(a)ar.com; iwar(a)iwar.org; gtld-discuss(a)gtld-mou.org Subject: Re: Eugene Kashpureff's Defense Fund I wrote: >> Eugene talked the talk *AND* walked the >> walk. None of you other people have. So >> pay up. Or shut up. Freedom is freedom. >> And it has often has a high price. Pay >> it or lose it. There will be many more >> who may choose to follow Eugene in the >> months and years to come. You who have >> been dragging your heels and delaying Geoff White replied: >Eugene is not a freedom fighter or a patriot or >anything like that.He is a fool, and a stupid fool at that. >The only thing that he accomplished by his act was a bit of ego >stroking and a lot of grief for the rest of the community. We shall see what happens in the days and months and years ahead. Only time will tell who is right. What Kashpureff did was imperfect. But what everyone else does is sweet phuck all. TeleVirtually Yours, Bob Allisat Director, World TeleVirtual Network http://www.wtv.net PO Box 191 St E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2 tor(a)wtv.net (416) 534-1999 http://www.wtv.net/portfolio.html

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are your routers having a hot time tonight?
by Randy Bush 27 Nov '97

27 Nov '97

mae-west#sh env last RSP(6) Inlet previously measured at 33C/91F ^^^^^^^ mae-east#sh env la RSP(2) Inlet previously measured at 19C/66F paix#sh env la RSP(6) Inlet previously measured at 19C/66F randy

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I'm sorry...
by George Herbert 27 Nov '97

27 Nov '97

Someone please thwap me upside the head in private email if I argue with Eugene and don't edit nanog out of the headers ever again. Some weeks it just doesn't pay to get out of bed. -george william herbert gherbert(a)crl.com

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Eugene Kashpureff's Defense Fund
by Bob Allisat 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

http://httpd.com/press/defense.html: > > Eugene Kashpureff's Defense Fund > > To Contribute To Eugene Kashpureff's Defense Fund by Wire Transfer: > > To: EUGENE KASHPUREFF DEFENCE FUND > C/O: The ROYAL BANK OF CANADA > 1 Main Street North > BRAMPTON, Ontario L6X 1M8 > > TRANSIT NO: 00482 ACCOUNT NO: 100-274-0 http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,16763,00.html: > > Fund created for AlterNIC founder > By Janet Kornblum > November 24, 1997, 2:10 p.m. PT > > Jailed AlterNIC cofounder Eugene Kashpureff is strapped for cash and > his business partner has set up a legal fund for him. > > Diane Boling is asking people to contribute to the Eugene Kashpureff > Defense Fund at the Royal Bank of Canada. > TeleVirtually Yours, Bob Allisat Director, World TeleVirtual Network http://www.wtv.net PO Box 191 St E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2 tor(a)wtv.net (416) 534-1999 http://www.wtv.net/portfolio.html

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RE: Advisory - tunneling of IP at exchange points.
by Dave Van Allen 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

Hi, Craig, that's all been done, cisco verified the troubles and anomalies here on-site, all info has been transmitted to them now for months. The BUGid description is worded incorrectly as I said, so you can't really glean meaningful info from just the description. I opened that ticket and it has been very frustrating indeed. You're right, it's a valuable tool however it is verifiably broken in certain instances. I was just cautioning anyone who needed to count on it. Happy holidays! Best regards, David Van Allen - FASTNET(tm) / You Tools Corporation dave(a)fast.net (888)321-FAST(3278) http://www.fast.net FASTNET - Business and Personal Internet Solutions > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig A. Huegen [SMTP:chuegen@quadrunner.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 10:35 AM > To: Dave Van Allen > Cc: 'Paul Thornton'; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: RE: Advisory - tunneling of IP at exchange points. > > On Wed, 26 Nov 1997, Dave Van Allen wrote: > > ==>We find log-input to very unreliable and often producing wrong > ==>information. It indeed operates differently across the 11.1 train > (no > ==>comment on 11.2 offered) I think 11.1.15 breaks it badly. Albeit > ==>improperly worded and not well defined in print on CCO, please > reference > ==>cisco BUGid CSCdj40503 prior to trusting log-input for any valid > info. > > CSCdj40503 simply fixes a problem where packets are not logged under > certain conditions. It doesn't change any information. > > I've never seen a problem with log-input reporting bad information; if > you > have and can reproduce, please document and contact your normal > support > channels to fix this valuable tool. > > /cah

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Living in a disfunctional list (Was Re: Eugene Kashpureff's Defense Fund (fwd))
by Mark Milhollan 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

>* ^From: .*tor(a)wtv.net.* >/dev/null Better add ... * ^Subject:.*Kashpureff /dev/null ... as well -- at least for a while.

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RE: Advisory - tunneling of IP at exchange points.
by Dave Van Allen 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

Thanks Paul, wonderful job. Side-note (taken from the exploit write-up http://www.linx.net/tunnel-advisory.txt) >// Adding "log-input" to the end of each access-list line will log >// the hardware address of the sender for good measure. IOS 11.1 >// and upwards only (from memory) We find log-input to very unreliable and often producing wrong information. It indeed operates differently across the 11.1 train (no comment on 11.2 offered) I think 11.1.15 breaks it badly. Albeit improperly worded and not well defined in print on CCO, please reference cisco BUGid CSCdj40503 prior to trusting log-input for any valid info. Best regards, David Van Allen - FASTNET(tm) / You Tools Corporation dave(a)fast.net (888)321-FAST(3278) http://www.fast.net FASTNET - Business and Personal Internet Solutions > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Thornton [SMTP:prt@linx.net] > Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 9:47 AM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Cc: eof(a)ripe.net; se-gix(a)sunet.se; mae-east-tech(a)uu.net; > membership(a)linx.net; ops(a)linx.net > Subject: Advisory - tunneling of IP at exchange points. > > -- PLEASE NOTE: If you are replying to this, consider pruning the list > -- of cc's rather than crossposting replies wildly! > Thanks. > [snip] > The LINX and several of its members have recently had to take action > against an ISP that was using GRE tunneling between exchange points > to appropriate the capacity of other ISPs. > > Keith Mitchell > > Chairman > London InterNet Exchange keith(a)linx.org > Geneva House, 3 Park Road > Peterborough PE1 2UX > United Kingdom > Phone: +44 1733 705000 (fax 353929) > > > Paul > > -- > Paul Thornton, Network Engineer, London Internet Exchange Ltd. > Tel: 07000 783797 Mobile: +44 467 372205

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Re: Eugene Kashpureff's Defense Fund
by Bob Allisat 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

> Bob Allisat is, I'm sorry to say, a well-known Net-kook. I remember > him infesting a bunch of Usenet newsgroups. Now that he appears to > be on nanog, the best strategy might be to ignore him. And Declan, I'm happy to say, has found his place in life as mindless reactionary & smear campaigner. In- stead of addressing any of the real issues he is content and contrite to insult me. The liberty flag Declan McCullagh wraps himself in at every opportunity appears to be a little tattered of late. Actually its no more than a memory alas. What does Declan think of CORE and the Memorandum of understanding? What does he think about requiring new registries to pay non-refundable US $10,000 and requiring a US$300,000 line of credit, five (5) full time staff all of which come out to roughly a half million dollar price tag for new registries? What does the guy think about IODesign's .WEB and Skyscape's .ART registries being confiscated by the IAHC/CORE? And what about Eugene's activities? And how about Declan's thoughts about Jon Postel and his crowd trying to monopolize Internet governance without a shred of public input? We don't hear anything about the issue. Only smear tactics and insults. Adress the issues Declan. We are not all stupid enough to simply dismiss the issues because you say I'm nuts. The issue remain smack in your face. Address them or be quiet in future. TeleVirtually Yours, Bob Allisat Director, World TeleVirtual Network http://www.wtv.net PO Box 191 St E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2 tor(a)wtv.net (416) 534-1999 http://www.wtv.net/portfolio.html

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President's Day
by William B. Norton 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

Hi all - We are working with a potential NANOG host that can schedule NANOG 12 on Feb. 15-17. The only clash appears to be that the 16th is President's day. Please send me private e-mail (wbn(a)merit.edu) if having NANOG 12 on these days presents a problem for you. Thanks, Bill

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Re: Eugene Kashpureff's Defense Fund (fwd)
by Charles Sprickman 26 Nov '97

26 Nov '97

How do I configure my router to drop all smtp packets containing text formatted in narrow columns? C ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Charles Sprickman Internet Channel INCH System Administration Team (212)243-5200 spork(a)inch.com access(a)inch.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:17:13 +0000 From: Bob Allisat <tor(a)wtv.net> WTF?>>To: nanog(a)merit.edu, newdom(a)ar.com, caipcom(a)vrx.net, iwar(a)iwar.org, gtld-discuss(a)gtld-mou.org Subject: Re: Eugene Kashpureff's Defense Fund > It is exactly this type of confrontational, paranoia-inducing > approach to the problem that has caused most of the problems > with working towards real netwide consensus. It's not suprising > you can't see it, but it's blindingly clear to me... I put > work into some back channel discussions that you bozos > managed to kill dead. You are not productive of solutions, > you are counterproductive, actively damaging to progress. > The "protest" created an environment where compromise became > harder and in fact did not happen. We all lost. > The only winners were a few people's egos, and one > of those people is now going to go to jail for it. > Trading ego boosts for real progress on the issues > is not my idea of problem solving, and until you stop > making that mistake you are a roadblock. > > -george william herbert Except for the fact that we requested IETF host a peace meeting for CORE, Internic, Alternic, the US Government and all other interested parties George's analysis would be correct. Except for the fact that we've been trying to weld some sort of consensus via many articles, private e-mail among all of these parties Mr. Herbert would be absolutely bang on. But he's off target. Instead of criticizing Postel, Crocker, Vixie, Metzger and all these incompetants driving this mess Mr. Hebert is attacking those few people actually willing to put their necks on the line to force change. I still believe peace is possible and that IETF is the perfect place for discussions to begin. If this does not happen, if the mono-maniacs behind CORE are not replaced, if the monopolies are not broken there will be an escalation of protest actions and interventions. It will be the only alternative left to those who want justice, value liberty and cherish freedom. It's that important. TeleVirtually Yours, Bob Allisat Director, World TeleVirtual Network http://www.wtv.net PO Box 191 St E Toronto Canada M6H 4E2 tor(a)wtv.net (416) 534-1999 http://www.wtv.net/portfolio.html

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