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Re: Whoa; the 3 network?
by Eric Germann 23 Dec '97

23 Dec '97

Maybe they should. That would be incentive to return unused space. Eric At 11:47 AM 12/23/97 -0800, Michael Dillon wrote: >On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Eric Germann wrote: > >> I didn't know Thomas Edison worked for GE? > >He founded The Edison Electric Company which became General Electric. > >> ARIN ought to be happy when they get their check for that one! > >If you read through http://www.arin.net you should find some place where >it mentions that people with existing allocations don't pay anything until >they need additional address space. > >-- >Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting >http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael(a)memra.com > > > > ============================================================================ ==== Eric Germann Computer and Communications Technologies ekgermann(a)cctec.com Van Wert, OH 45891 Phone: 419 968 2640 http://www.cctec.com Fax: 419 968 2641 Network Design, Connectivity & System Integration Services A Microsoft Solution Provider

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RE: Whoa; the 3 network?
by Bono, Vinny (CAP, ITS, US) 23 Dec '97

23 Dec '97

If *I* were in charge of renumbering maybe I would consider that. But, since GE, arrgghh, *we* do use the public internet as a transport to get to/from the corporate wan based on location, duration of connection needed, etc. Also, we are renumbering the smaller components into 3.0.0.0/8, but there is already a tremendous amount of numbered devices. Also, I guess I should stop responding to these jabs now. :-) -v > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Germann [SMTP:ekgermann@cctec.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 2:50 PM > To: Bono, Vinny (CAP, ITS, US) > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: RE: Whoa; the 3 network? > > If you're in the process of renumbering, why not renumber into 10/8? > Does > Jane Pauley need her own gloabally routable IP address? Number of > employees <> number of addresses. > > I suppose if you think about it, ping flooding Tom Brokaw's > teleprompter > during the Nightly News would be kind of cool. Of course, this could > be > the spiked eggnog talking too.... > > Happy Holidays, > > Eric > > > At 12:03 PM 12/23/97 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Well, GE is the largest corporation in the world. The total > employees > >in all seven divisions and their components is just over 1.7 million. > >That is a lot. Add in all the IP devices in NBC's network alone and > >you've got a huge number of justifiable space right there. Further, > >they, uh sorry, we, :-) are renumbering all acquired companies into > the > >3.0.0.0/8 range and returning the historic class B's (i.e. Ameridata, > >Bodan, etc.). > > > >Vincent J. 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RE: Whoa; the 3 network?
by Bono, Vinny (CAP, ITS, US) 23 Dec '97

23 Dec '97

Well, GE is the largest corporation in the world. The total employees in all seven divisions and their components is just over 1.7 million. That is a lot. Add in all the IP devices in NBC's network alone and you've got a huge number of justifiable space right there. Further, they, uh sorry, we, :-) are renumbering all acquired companies into the 3.0.0.0/8 range and returning the historic class B's (i.e. Ameridata, Bodan, etc.). Vincent J. Bono Comstor Corporation A GE Capital Service Company > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Rothschild [SMTP:asr@millburn.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 7:09 AM > To: Alex Rubenstein > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Whoa; the 3 network? > > Funky discovery... question is, why does GE need such massive addr > space? > :) > > -=asr > > On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Alex Rubenstein wrote: > > > > > Maybe I should be sleeping rather than examining BGP tables, but: > > > > > > whi4#sho ip bgp 3.156.20.0 > > BGP routing table entry for 3.156.20.0/24, version 449977 > > Paths: (1 available, best #1, advertised over IBGP) > > 7372 701 3561 1221 > > 207.99.5.196 from 207.99.5.196 (208.210.32.17) > > Origin incomplete, localpref 500, valid, external, best > > Community: 666 > > > > > > > > traceroute to 3.156.20.1 (3.156.20.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > > . > > . > > 5 telstra.SanFrancisco.mci.net (166.48.19.250) 332.535 ms > 538.669 ms 365.308 ms > > 6 Fddi0-0.pad-core1.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.249.226) 290.266 > ms 317.40 ms 290.209 ms > > 7 Hssi6-0.lon-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net (139.130.249.214) > 350.701 ms 339.90 ms 439.199 ms > > 8 Fddi0-0.lon11.Melbourne.telstra.net (139.130.239.234) 419.291 > ms 424.309 ms 283.243 ms > > 9 power2.lnk.telstra.net (139.130.49.114) 403.623 ms 353.911 ms > 307.750 ms > > 10 203.36.142.146 (203.36.142.146) 348.695 ms 310.482 ms 301.917 > ms > > > > > > [root@newspeer1 /root]# whois 3.0.0.0 > > General Electric Company (NET-GE-INTERNET) > > One Independence Way > > Princeton, NJ 08540 > > > > Netname: GE-INTERNET > > Netnumber: 3.0.0.0 > > > > > > > > >

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Re: Whoa; the 3 network?
by Eric Germann 23 Dec '97

23 Dec '97

At 10:27 AM 12/23/97 -0800, Michael Dillon wrote: >On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Adam Rothschild wrote: > >> Funky discovery... question is, why does GE need such massive addr space? >> :) > >Because they are directly responsible for the existence of the Internet. >After all, GE invented the light bulb. If not for that we would have had >no vacuum tubes, thus no transistors, thus no ICs, thus no IMPs, thus no >Internet. > I didn't know Thomas Edison worked for GE? >Or maybe its because GE Information Systems ran the largest internet in >the world until the Internet surpassed it in size a couple of years ago. > >Or maybe they don't. Why don't you ask them why they need it. > ARIN ought to be happy when they get their check for that one! >-- >Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting >http://www.memra.com - E-mail: michael(a)memra.com > > > > ============================================================================ ==== Eric Germann Computer and Communications Technologies ekgermann(a)cctec.com Van Wert, OH 45891 Phone: 419 968 2640 http://www.cctec.com Fax: 419 968 2641 Network Design, Connectivity & System Integration Services A Microsoft Solution Provider

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RE: Whoa; the 3 network?
by Eric Germann 23 Dec '97

23 Dec '97

If you're in the process of renumbering, why not renumber into 10/8? Does Jane Pauley need her own gloabally routable IP address? Number of employees <> number of addresses. I suppose if you think about it, ping flooding Tom Brokaw's teleprompter during the Nightly News would be kind of cool. Of course, this could be the spiked eggnog talking too.... Happy Holidays, Eric At 12:03 PM 12/23/97 -0600, you wrote: > >Well, GE is the largest corporation in the world. The total employees >in all seven divisions and their components is just over 1.7 million. >That is a lot. Add in all the IP devices in NBC's network alone and >you've got a huge number of justifiable space right there. Further, >they, uh sorry, we, :-) are renumbering all acquired companies into the >3.0.0.0/8 range and returning the historic class B's (i.e. Ameridata, >Bodan, etc.). > >Vincent J. Bono >Comstor Corporation >A GE Capital Service Company > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Adam Rothschild [SMTP:asr@millburn.net] >> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 1997 7:09 AM >> To: Alex Rubenstein >> Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu >> Subject: Re: Whoa; the 3 network? >> >> Funky discovery... question is, why does GE need such massive addr >> space? >> :) >> >> -=asr >> >> On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Alex Rubenstein wrote: >> >> > >> > Maybe I should be sleeping rather than examining BGP tables, but: >> > >> > >> > whi4#sho ip bgp 3.156.20.0 >> > BGP routing table entry for 3.156.20.0/24, version 449977 >> > Paths: (1 available, best #1, advertised over IBGP) >> > 7372 701 3561 1221 >> > 207.99.5.196 from 207.99.5.196 (208.210.32.17) >> > Origin incomplete, localpref 500, valid, external, best >> > Community: 666 >> > >> > >> > >> > traceroute to 3.156.20.1 (3.156.20.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets >> > . >> > . >> > 5 telstra.SanFrancisco.mci.net (166.48.19.250) 332.535 ms >> 538.669 ms 365.308 ms >> > 6 Fddi0-0.pad-core1.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.249.226) 290.266 >> ms 317.40 ms 290.209 ms >> > 7 Hssi6-0.lon-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net (139.130.249.214) >> 350.701 ms 339.90 ms 439.199 ms >> > 8 Fddi0-0.lon11.Melbourne.telstra.net (139.130.239.234) 419.291 >> ms 424.309 ms 283.243 ms >> > 9 power2.lnk.telstra.net (139.130.49.114) 403.623 ms 353.911 ms >> 307.750 ms >> > 10 203.36.142.146 (203.36.142.146) 348.695 ms 310.482 ms 301.917 >> ms >> > >> > >> > [root@newspeer1 /root]# whois 3.0.0.0 >> > General Electric Company (NET-GE-INTERNET) >> > One Independence Way >> > Princeton, NJ 08540 >> > >> > Netname: GE-INTERNET >> > Netnumber: 3.0.0.0 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ============================================================================ ==== Eric Germann Computer and Communications Technologies ekgermann(a)cctec.com Van Wert, OH 45891 Phone: 419 968 2640 http://www.cctec.com Fax: 419 968 2641 Network Design, Connectivity & System Integration Services A Microsoft Solution Provider

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MAE-East Status?
by Kevin Martin 23 Dec '97

23 Dec '97

Can anyone comment on the current status of problems at MAE-East? As far as I can see from here, packet loss has risen sharply, and performance has dropped sharply, several months ago, and rarely has it improved. For most pairings of providers on different Gigaswitches, packet loss is regularly in the 20-30% range. If this isn't what most people are seeing, I'd like to know. If it is, I'd like to hear any insight on when the situation might improve. If this isn't an operational issue, by God, I don't know what is, but flame me if you need to. Kevin Martin sigma(a)pair.com

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Whoa; the 3 network?
by Alex Rubenstein 23 Dec '97

23 Dec '97

Maybe I should be sleeping rather than examining BGP tables, but: whi4#sho ip bgp 3.156.20.0 BGP routing table entry for 3.156.20.0/24, version 449977 Paths: (1 available, best #1, advertised over IBGP) 7372 701 3561 1221 207.99.5.196 from 207.99.5.196 (208.210.32.17) Origin incomplete, localpref 500, valid, external, best Community: 666 traceroute to 3.156.20.1 (3.156.20.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets . . 5 telstra.SanFrancisco.mci.net (166.48.19.250) 332.535 ms 538.669 ms 365.308 ms 6 Fddi0-0.pad-core1.Sydney.telstra.net (139.130.249.226) 290.266 ms 317.40 ms 290.209 ms 7 Hssi6-0.lon-core1.Melbourne.telstra.net (139.130.249.214) 350.701 ms 339.90 ms 439.199 ms 8 Fddi0-0.lon11.Melbourne.telstra.net (139.130.239.234) 419.291 ms 424.309 ms 283.243 ms 9 power2.lnk.telstra.net (139.130.49.114) 403.623 ms 353.911 ms 307.750 ms 10 203.36.142.146 (203.36.142.146) 348.695 ms 310.482 ms 301.917 ms [root@newspeer1 /root]# whois 3.0.0.0 General Electric Company (NET-GE-INTERNET) One Independence Way Princeton, NJ 08540 Netname: GE-INTERNET Netnumber: 3.0.0.0

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InterNIC again?
by Edward S. Marshall 23 Dec '97

23 Dec '97

Hmmm... ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <hostmaster(a)internic.net> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to rs.internic.net.: >>> RCPT To:<hostmaster(a)internic.net> <<< 553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.7.1) 550 <hostmaster(a)internic.net>... User unknown Whoops? ;-) -- ____ ______ _____ _/ __ \ ___// \ Edward S. Marshall <emarshal(a)logic.net> \ ___/___ \| | | \ http://www.logic.net/~emarshal/ \____\_____>__|_|__/ Information Systems Manager, Logical Solutions [ Are you a spammer looking for a great opportunity to be blacklisted? Then ] [ have your automatic bots email spam(a)logic.net and secure a spot on my list! ]

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Sprintnap problems Monday afternoon?
by John R Levine 23 Dec '97

23 Dec '97

One of my users called me up complaining of ridiculously slow echo, and a few traceroutes showed something like 7 second delays for data passing between Sprintlink and Nysernet. Any idea what it was? Regards, John Levine, johnl(a)iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Sewer Commissioner Finger for PGP key, f'print = 3A 5B D0 3F D9 A0 6A A4 2D AC 1E 9E A6 36 A3 47

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NSI Bulletin 097-010 | RS machine outage
by David H. Holtzman 22 Dec '97

22 Dec '97

The Internic is currently experiencing technical difficulties with some of the rs hosts. This problem is expected to be resolved within the next hour. Users may experience temporary problems with whois in the interim. We apologize for the inconvenience. _____________________________________ David H. Holtzman (dholtz(a)internic.net) Sr Vice President of Engineering Network Solutions, Inc.

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