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? what a route
by Stephen Schmidt 26 May '98

26 May '98

This doesn't strike me as a "good thing": when looking to see what happend to fnsi.net, I found: bordercore1.chi>sho ip bgp 206.183.224.0 BGP routing table entry for 206.0.0.0/8, version 514950 Paths: (2 available, best #2, advertised over IBGP, EBGP) 4358 5646 7336, (received & used) 199.245.230.197 from 199.245.230.197 (207.98.189.86) Origin incomplete, localpref 100, weight 105, valid, external 4358 5646 7336, (received & used) 198.69.212.90 from 198.69.212.90 (207.227.0.138) Origin incomplete, localpref 100, weight 110, valid, external, best 206/8? Compass Communications (ASN-COMPASS) 2001 Sixth Avenue, Suite 3205 Seattle, WA 98121 US Autonomous System Name: COMPASS Autonomous System Number: 7336 Coordinator: RIOS, TONY (TR143-ARIN) tonester(a)CCOM.NET (206) 777-9999 (FAX) (206) 777-3077 Record last updated on 11-Nov-96. Database last updated on 21-May-98 16:09:46 EDT. Steve -- _/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Stephen E. Schmidt _/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/ Vice President, Access _/ _/ _/ _/ American Information Systems, Inc. _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ E-mail: steve(a)ais.net, http://www.ais.net For my PGP public key, email me with the subject "pgp request" ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

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Re[2]: Wired Q: Embedded NT
by dnewman＠data.com 26 May '98

26 May '98

It was in Data Communications magazine ;-) The switch maker is Berkeley Systems. They licensed NT source and stripped it down (I think the IP stack is one of the things they whacked ;-) to run the switch. With the obvious exception of M$ RRAS, this is AFAIK is the only vendor using NT as a switch or router OS. David Newman Data Communications magazine ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Wired Q: Embedded NT Author: "Lehrer Neil" <nlehrer(a)usia.gov> at dcm_smtp Date: 5/14/98 11:04 AM i saw something about a switch maker embedding nt. about layer 4 switches understanding application level info. it was recent, maybe network world, but i can't be sure. ``````` To: nanog(a)merit.edu From: James Glave <> Hi all, James Glave at Wired News again. This time around I am seeking opinions on behalf of a friend up at Wired (the print magazine) -- concerning embedded NT. I couldn't find any discussion in the nanog archive, so I'm wondering if anoyne here has any experience with, or knowledge of, embedding NT in networking hardware - if that even makes any sense....? >From: Jesse Freund <freund(a)wired.com> >i'm working on a piece about nt-embedded and i have a couple of questions. >i'm hoping you might be able to hook me up with a smart network operator or >someone else in the know or perhaps you know. basically, i'm curious why >the hell someone would want a version of nt embedded in a switch or router? >and who provides the custom solutions nt-embedded is meant to replace? Thanks, all! jtg James Glave, Senior Technology Writer Wired News http://www.wired.com (415) 276-8430 Unstoppable Force of the Week: "Gettin' jiggy wit' it!" Regards +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Neil Lehrer + U.S. Information Agency + Networks and Systems Support Division + + voice 202 619-0903 + fax 202 619-3883 + internet nlehrer(a)usia.gov + + "oh what a tangled net we weave + when we seek to retrieve." + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: Wired Q: Embedded NT
by Roeland M.J. Meyer 26 May '98

26 May '98

At 01:12 PM 5/25/98 +0400, Alex P. Rudnev wrote: >You are wrong a little. The difference is: > >- if you use MS and it don't work, your boss blame to BILL GATES. > >- if you use FreeBSD (or Linux, through FreeBSD is better for the >networking) and it don't work, your boss blame _guess, who? - YOU_ . Nope, buying IBM/M$ to secure your job is a canard. In both cases, if you are an employee you will lose credibility (lose enough of that and your job follows), as an owner of a business you lose customers (lose enough of *that* and you'll have to get a real job). If an employee causes sufficient loss of business through bad decisions, they get canned (back to credibility again). We run Caldera here, with WinNT workstations. This is not simply because we are a Caldera VAR. Linux servers are much more reliable than WinNT, although we have *one* of those also, no choice and it's constantly in Intensive Care (Netscape ES3.51 locks up regularly or NT auto-boots and we have to MANUALLY enter the VeriSign password. We are working on an Linux/Apache-SSL/PostgreSQL/self-certifying solution). BTW, Caldera does not yet have an Enterprise Server solution, but there's one on the way. >That's a matter. > >> >> The reason is simple. While we sit here bitching about this "minor" >> issue and that "minor" issue, like the state of the net, the S&M >> (Sales and Marketing, but sometimes I wonder) people are out there >> from Mickeysoft promoting the "No one ever got fired for buying M$" >> message. NT is a >corporate< product. This, in my view, means that >> you don't care if it works as long as you can hire someone else to >> fix it and your budget is maintained. Hell, if we started using "free" >> products, we wouldn't have license fees to pay and my budget to run >> a 100 node NT network would disappear. Budgets = Power in that sad >> world. > >... > _________________________________________________ Morgan Hill Software Company, Inc. Colorado Springs, CO - Livermore, CA - Morgan Hill, CA Domain Administrator MHSC2-DOM and MHSC3-DOM Administrative and Technical contact ____________________________________________ InterNIC Id: MHSC hostmaster (HM239-ORG) e-mail: <mailto:hostmaster@mhsc.com>mailto:hostmaster@mhsc.com web -pages: <http://www.mhsc.com/>http://www.mhsc.com/

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The questions stand
by Pickett, David 25 May '98

25 May '98

My objectives are far more pedestrian than any effort to confuse or divide the Internet community. I'm working at getting a handle on what about the NAPs does and does not work. I've seen some discussion on frames vs cells in the NAPs, and that's an interesting albeit religiously charged subject. I've heard speakers soap-boxing about the need for a decent policy-free L2 interconnect. Are we there yet? Who's heading in the right direction? Does the current NAP model meet your needs as ISPs? Do we just light more fibre or do we need a better solution? Reply to the list or to me directly. I'm all ears. David R. Pickett Northchurch Communications Inc 5 Corporate Drive Andover, MA 01080 978-691-4649

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25 May '98

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Re: Laptop console
by Cameron Slye 25 May '98

25 May '98

On Sat, 16 May 1998, Doug Tooley wrote: > A network portable - now that's an idea! The one I have been looking at is Toshiba's Libretto 50CT. Small, lightweight, costs about $700, and runs FreeBSD (I am sure linux also), Win95 etc. Has a pcmcia slot, so you can get a NIC, and have tcpdump also :)

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Re: 1.1.1.0/24
by Sean Donelan 24 May '98

24 May '98

>Looks like PSInet is demonstrating their complete and total lack of clue >again. Who has less of a clue? A provider that announces a 1.1.1.0/24, or a provider that listens to junk like 1.1.1.0/24? It doesn't matter what junk is announced, *IF* you could get providers not to listen to it. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: different thinking on exchanging traffic
by Sean M. Doran 23 May '98

23 May '98

| I am suggesting an NxOC-48 | network with peers purchasing DS3 connections at their various geographic | locations | With strong indications of its fiscal viability, I am now asking you ... | Specifically, if I build it, will you come. Uhm, the first paragraph says you will come to us, no? Go ahead and build this, the proliferation of IXes will hasten their demise at the hands of better, simpler, cleaner solutions. Meanwhile, you might find the Sprint response to the NSFNET NAP solicitation ("National Virtual NAP") hanging around somewhere online. You should read it and imagine why it didn't fly. Sean.

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RE: Fwd: FW: Removal from APNIC lists
by Jim Fleming 22 May '98

22 May '98

On Thursday, May 21, 1998 7:48 PM, Dean Anderson[SMTP:dean@av8.com] wrote: <snip> @ @2) Perhaps, since the Internet is rapidly growing in Asia, and since 1/4 of @the worlds population lives there, they have been given enough address @space to bring much of that population online. @ I guess you were not following this NANOG list... ...the Galaxy 4 satellite has been lost... Despite that G4 is still operational...as well as G5, and G6. There are plenty of resources for the Asia/Pacific region. http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/130dftmail/unir.txt There are also plenty of resources for the area that NANOG supposedly covers...(i.e. G1)...after you get your pagers fixed maybe you could take a look at working on G0 and G1... :-) - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net/IPv8 IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM

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RE: Fwd: FW: Removal from APNIC lists
by Jim Fleming 22 May '98

22 May '98

On Wednesday, May 20, 1998 9:17 AM, Perry E. Metzger[SMTP:perry@piermont.com] wrote: @ @Eric Germann writes: @> There is a God. @ @Now if only someone could get him off of the IETF and nanog lists, and @maybe a few others... @ @.pm @ According to the APNIC Annual Report, the data base of information is not accurate[1]. Despite this, the APNIC received an additional allocation of over 16 million IPv4 addresses in April of 1997. That appears to be the same time that the APNIC paid the IANA $50,000 in service fees. This also appears to be at a time when the APNIC had not used the addresses it already had. Why does a private company like APNIC, set up in an off-shore haven like the Seychelles, and operating out of Tokyo, with apparently no taxes being paid to Japan[2], be allowed to obtain additional IPv4 address space with apparently no justification and an admission of poor record keeping while U.S. ISPs and other companies around the world are put through the ringer for a few IPv4 addresses ? Jim Fleming ================================================== http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/resource_status.htm#c4_1 Percentage Used ------------------------- 0% 61.x.x.x <-------- April 25, 1997 0% 169.208.x.x 0% 169.209.x.x 0% 169.210.x.x 0% 169.211.x.x 0% 169.212.x.x 0% 169.213.x.x 0% 169.214.x.x 0% 169.215.x.x 80% 202.x.x.x 80% 203.x.x.x 12% 210.x.x.x 12% 211.x.x.x @@@@ http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/financial_status.htm#c3_2 "Service fees which consisted of the APNIC payment of US $50,000 to the IANA in April, 1997;" @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ [1] @@@ http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/future_directions.htm#c6_1 "Database Cleanup The current registry database system is has significant amounts of incorrect data. This is a significant issue as the registry database is intended to be the location of authoritative information on which organizations control which resources. It is likely that unless the registry database system is revised, conflicts will arise when organizations attempt to obtain Internet connectivity with historically allocated resources but which no longer have up to date information in the registry database." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ [2] @@@ http://teckla.apnic.net/annual_reports/1997/other_activities.htm#c5_2 "APNIC Headquarters Relocation Around first quarter 1997, APNIC began to investigate what would be required to hire additional staff for the APNIC office in Japan. After lengthy consultations with various organizations, it was established that the question of whether APNIC needed to pay tax in Japan was somewhat indeterminate. Specifically, according to two of three accountancy firms, APNIC should pay taxes, while the third indicated exactly the opposite. After significant discussion, it was decided to evaluate the costs of doing business in Japan vis-a-vis doing business in other Asia or Pacific Rim locations." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net/IPv8 IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM

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