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OUTAGE: worldcom frame-relay intermittent problems
by Sean Donelan 22 Jul '99

22 Jul '99

MCI/Worldcom seems to be have intermittent failures with their frame-relay network. Several ISPs have reported they are seeing problems at very diverse places around the US. MCI/Worldcom is reporting frame switch problems in multiple cities up and down the east coast. Due to usual bizzare MCI/Worldcom ciruit routing, it is having nationwide affects. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Domain Name Payment Policy Change
by Henry R. Linneweh 22 Jul '99

22 Jul '99

http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,39578,00.html?pfv Some Internet users will have to start paying registration fees up front for the most popular forms of addresses, the dominant Net registrar said today, one day before its policy of granting credit to its customers is likely to come under attack on Capitol Hill. Henry

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Podunk Telco
by Derek Balling 22 Jul '99

22 Jul '99

OK, interesting question... a friend of mine lives in upstate NY, where he has Citizens Telecom (or whatever they're calling themselves this week). All the Cits'Tel areas used to be GTE until GTE got kicked out by the PUC for poor customer service. Cits Tel has basically ignored the CO he is served out of -- as well as most of their other NY CO's -- when it comes to hardware upgrades. (not even ISDN is available, nor is it predicted to be available for several years). By comparison, he is only 80 miles north of NYC where Bell Atlantic is beginning DSL rollouts. Other BA areas around him can also get ISDN, although not really at anything considered affordable). Leaving for Bell Atlantic (a 7 mile move) is not an option for various reasons. He has mentioned to me, "what if I formed an CLEC/ISP and started leasing dry copper from CitsTel to provide DSL myself?" at which point he was very much over my head in ability to answer. His sole motivation in this is that he wants to be able to get affordable dedicated access himself. :) (If he could make a decent living at it beating CT to the punch, I'm sure that he wouldn't mind that either). D

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Domain dissapearances?
by George Herbert 21 Jul '99

21 Jul '99

I have had one of my domains dissapear (possibly into "on hold" status, but no confirmation/notice from NetSol since I noticed and started complaining on Saturday) from the root servers DNS though it's in whois fine. I have gotten a couple of other reports that people's domains have similarly up and vanished out of DNS without any warning or known cause, with similar lack of response from NetSol so far. Is anyone else seeing a problem pattern here, or is this just a few random minor outages? Anyone else having problems getting NSI to answer their email right now as well? If you know of a serious problem, feel free to reply to the list, but if you have just a minor informational report please email me directly to keep S/N high on the list. I'll summarize such reports if it looks useful later. Thanks! -george william herbert gherbert(a)crl.com Disclaimer: I am not a CRL Employee.

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Response Time Software
by Derrick Bennett 21 Jul '99

21 Jul '99

This may not qualify as completely on topic but I need to tap the vast knowledge of the Nanog group. I am in need of software that can give me response time statistics of our internet access points. We currently have multi-homed connections in various states and utilize proxy servers and socks servers for employee access to the Net. The issue is a need for a way to continously poll various Internet web sites via the proxy servers and socks servers to show average response times over time from various points on the backbone. Is anyone else doing this or have idea on what software may help accomplish this task. Please reply to me in private and I will post a summary message later on. Thanks, Derrick Bennett

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Letter to US Rep. Tom Bliley from Jim Fleming
by Seraphic Artifex 21 Jul '99

21 Jul '99

Because of the recent dicussions regarding ICANN, and the authors prolific history of posts, I thought this might be of interest. -- H.323 SS7 BGP SONET IP | kiad.net | GBR TEB IAD YYZ BOS I am not a / I am the . for which there is no .. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Mr. Tom Bliley U.S. House of Representatives The Committee on Commerce 2125 Rayburn House Office Building Washington, DC 20515 (202) 225-2927 Commerce(a)mail.house.gov Dear Mr. Bliley: I see that you are beginning to hold hearings[1] to look into the activities of the private California non-profit company known as ICANN. I applaud your efforts. I would like to encourage you to look at the ENTIRE landscape when it comes to Internet resource allocations. Domain names are only one part of the DNS puzzle. They are like billboards on the Information Highway. IP Addresses are another key part and IP address allocations are generally controlled by the same people that control domain names. Therefore, they should be part of your oversight effort [2]. IP Addresses are like land along the Information Highway. Companies that own the rights to build on that land prosper and those that do not incur extra costs to operate and are often locked out of bids and other business opportunities because they do not have the resources to compete on a level playing field. This is a very simple case of the "haves" and the "have nots". If your committee does a complete job and looks at IP Address Allocations, it will likely end up in a discussion about the allocations that Jon Postel made to another largely California based company called @Home[3]. I suggest that you start there when you have your hearing(s) with ICANN and ARIN. The discussions about @Home IP Address allocations have been going on for years. People can not seem to ever get clear answers. When the allocation was made by Jon Postel, Paul Mockapetris had left USC/ISI and was working for @Home. Paul Mockapetris was one of the people that helped to design and create the DNS. Paul did not stay at @Home very long, he moved on to start another company. Some people claimed at the time that @Home obtained the addresses because they had $10 million dollars in venture capital and some slick power point slides. Others claimed that this was an experiment to create a commercial IP address registry for the cable TV industry. Milo Medin, CTO for @Home was seen on a popular cable TV show about computers, long after the company was founded, describing how the Internet was born out of X.25 and DOD networking and how important it was that he had been one of those people. Others have noted that it did not hurt to have William Randolph Hearst III as the initial CEO. Still others have pointed out that Colonel Michael St. Johns was apparently one of the U.S. Government DARPA managers that had provided funding for Jon Postel. @Home people involved with ARIN have become very defensive when Michael St. Johns is mentioned, noting that he did not come to @Home until AFTER they were handed IP addresses by Postel. This seems likely because he would have then known that @Home was well supplied with IP addresses to build a successful company, while other companies were being denied allocations by Postel and ARIN. Why would he go to work for a company that did not have IP allocations? Also, it seems likely that @Home would want to reward former U.S. Government employees for the huge allocation of resources obtained from the U.S. Government, at no charge to them. Those resources were leveraged into substantial financial benefits. Some compare it to being given the deed to Yellowstone Park by the USG Park Ranger, Jon Postel. One of the interesting aspects of the @Home allocation is that it shows that a for-profit company can be given internet resources and operate as a registry and become a commercial success that shareholders can invest in. This established a trend of for-profit operations that could have been continued and expanded. Instead, the U.S. Government's Department of Commerce changed direction in 1997 when they actively assisted in the creation of ARIN, a private non-profit Virginia company engaged in one of the same activities that @Home handles, (i.e. registering IP Addresses). What has been confusing to many business people following the @Home, ARIN and ICANN evolution is that there seems to be a trend being set by the U.S. Government Department of Commerce to create non-profit companies where for-profit companies could easily be encouraged, if allowed acccess to the resources as @Home and other companies have been. This trend toward the creation of non-profit companies appears to be inconsistent with the U.S. Government's Internal Revenue Service guidelines which prohibit non-profit companies from engaging in activities normally carried on for-profit. The following inserted reference could not be more clear on this. @@@ http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/prod/bus_info/eo/bl-req.html Exemption Requirements - � 501(c)(6) ... "A business league, in general, is an association of persons having some common business interest, the purpose of which is to promote such common interest and not to engage in a regular business of a kind ordinarily carried on for profit." ... "No part of its net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual and it may not be organized for profit or organized to engage in an activity ordinarily carried on for profit (even if the business is operated on a cooperative basis or produces only sufficient income to be self-sustaining)." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ I look forward to following your committee's work. In my opinion, the need for both ARIN and ICANN need to be evaluated in a light that also brings for-profit companies (like @Home) into the picture. As a capitalist, I prefer to see companies like @Home prosper and go from nothing in 1995 to $11.5 billion dollars in market capitalization with the help of the proper Internet resources which should not be made scarce by some non-profit "societies" who seek to hold the economy back and to discriminate between who gets those resources and who does not. In conclusion, I hope that your committee finds that non-profit companies are totally inappropriate and not in keeping with IRS regulations. I hope that you help to put America back on a track built upon capitalism and not the socialism and communism that pours from these non-profits who claim to doing everyone a favor as they collect taxes and attempt to control which companies succeed and which do not. Jim Fleming U.S. Citizen Naperville, Illinois [1] @@@@@@@@@@ http://www.house.gov/commerce/schedule.htm Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:00 a.m. in 2322 Rayburn House Office Building Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations hearing on Domain Name System Privatization: Is ICANN Out of Control? @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ [2] @@@@@@@@@@ http://www.house.gov/commerce Electronic Commerce: Domain Name System "The National Telecommunications and Information Administration is currently in the process of turning over management of the Domain Name System (the system by which numeric Internet addresses are translated into easy to remember names such as to a newly created non-profit corporation, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). In 1998, the Committee undertook oversight of the establishment of ICANN and the transition from government management to private sector management. The Committee will continue to monitor the transition of the Domain Name System to ensure the stability of the Internet." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ [3] @@@@ http://www.home.net At Home Corporation was incorporated in Delaware on March 25, 1995. Initial Board of Directors: John Doerr, Bruce Ravenel, Larry Romrell, Chris Coles, James Barksdale (Netscape) and William Randolph Hearst III. Initial Public Offering (IPO): 10,350,000 shares on July 11, 1997 Underwriters: Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, Merrill Lynch & Co., Alex Brown &Sons, Inc., and Hambrecht & Quist) Offering Price: $5.25 Recent Stock Price: 45 5/8 Market Capitalization: $11.5 B @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

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Colocation / Connection to MAE-EAST and MAE-WEST
by Jan Ahrent Czmok 21 Jul '99

21 Jul '99

Hi! Can someone provide me: - Shared / Dedicated access to MAE-EAST and MAE-WEST - Local Loop to our premises - 1/2 rack up to 1 Rack for csu/dsu probably router. Please respond to j.czmok(a)gigabell.net Thanks Jan Czmok p.s.: I am not looking for uplink or transit !!!!! -- Jan Czmok Gigabell AG Senior Network Engineer Mainzer Landstr. 46 Member of IPv6-Forum 60325 Frankfurt Phone: +49 69 17084-716 Fax: +49 69 17084-701

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Telco costs.
by Neil J. McRae 21 Jul '99

21 Jul '99

Slighly off topic my apologies but I'm not sure of a correct venue to ask but, Does anyone know ball park figures for a T1 from 111 8Th to Miami. Sorry don't have actual address in miami I'm just looking for ball park pricing. Neil.

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Re: Telco costs.
by Neil J. McRae 21 Jul '99

21 Jul '99

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Re: Toronto bell canada central office fire
by Sean Donelan 20 Jul '99

20 Jul '99

wb8foz(a)nrk.COM (David Lesher) writes: >a Telephone Company building, with Telephone Company rules and >craft people. Much as I despised dealing with them; they had a >Book and followed it. They wrote their Book after attending the >School of Hard Knocks. It showed. The mistake is assuming there is only one "Book." Even telephone companies make this mistake. There Book isn't always the best way to do some things. There is/was the Book according to Ma Bell (now telcordia). There is/was the Book according to IBM. There is/was the Book according to DoD. There is/was the Book according to USDA (yes, the US Department of Agriculture has a book on how to build a Central Office). There are the (many, many) Books according to ITU/ISO/ANSI/T1. The interesting thing is none of them completely agree with any of the others. You need a good understanding of the assumptions which went into the book. If you plan to put data processing equipment into a facility, Bellcore/Telcordia may not be the best template. If you plan to put a 5ESS into a facility IBM may not be the best template. If you plan to put both into the same facility, things get a bit more interesting. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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