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I like Patrick no longer have enable (read NSI is ok, I am broke)
by John M. Brown 30 Nov '99

30 Nov '99

Given the recent (10 minutes ago) making of a fool before my peers and several other (classified) stewpids, my network people tell me to go play business man and leave the real work to them. my enable.rights have been revoked. I am just a!@# manager. And a manager that can't spell. as sage and wise person said (in private) "I am doomed". Yours in spirit John Brown iHighway.net

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NSI's Biz parter dom reg broken??
by John M. Brown 30 Nov '99

30 Nov '99

We have not gotten a single reply from registerations(a)networksolutions.com since last wendesday. Anyone know whats up??? (please save the usual rant about NSI for later) tia jmbrown

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question about PLCP T3 ATM interface
by Zheng Chen 29 Nov '99

29 Nov '99

Is any ISP using PLCP T3 ATM interface in the router to connect to ATM backbone? Thanks. Jane

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Outage postings
by Ryan Bek 29 Nov '99

29 Nov '99

Hello all. Quick question - is there/are there mailing list(s) that I can join that will give me timely outage reports that may affect our network connectivity? Our ISP (Time Warner Telecom), as far as we know, doesn't offer any lists to their customers. Thanks for the help - -Ryan- Ryan Bek Help Desk Manager Office of Information Technology, Greensboro College Phone - (336) 272-7102 x354 FAX - (336) 271-6634

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ATT fiber cut in Sokie, IL
by Steve Gibbard 29 Nov '99

29 Nov '99

Frontier is telling us that there is an ATT (probably former TCG) fiber cut in Skokie, IL. This sounds like it might be the same TCG run between Chicago and Milwaukee that was getting cut a lot a year or so ago. Anybody have any more information? -Steve Gibbard WWNet

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Re: ARIN whois
by Dean Anderson 29 Nov '99

29 Nov '99

I'm all for working with the community. Each time I have, it has turned out that we need to operate relays. Possibly, SMTP AUTH will make unauthenticated relaying unnecessary. I'm still looking into how widely deployed it is on email clients. Its the foolish people who ASSUME that all of the internet is composed of cable modems and the company email server, and the internal company modem bank, all behind a firewall and a VPN who think we don't need to operate relays. Try to take relaying out of sendmail, and see what happens. I'm just foolish enough to tell the junior antispammer league that relaying has a legitimate purpose, and can't be removed. Most other people aren't willing to waste the time with them. I was also foolish enough to think they could think something through without resorting to abusing our servers, and making posts to alt.2600. Yep. I know when I did something wrong. --Dean Around 07:03 PM 11/22/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Greg A. Woods said: >[ On Monday, November 22, 1999 at 17:26:08 (-0500), Dean Anderson wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: ARIN whois >> >> We're up to 80K and rising. 2 big ones. Some smaller ones over >> 5K. Most the rest are under $500. Unless we can pin them to one or a >> small group of people. Then all their attacks are summed. A number of >> small attacks over a short period can then be criminal. This amount >> interests both lawyers and collections companies. > >Dean you're being a libellous idiot. When the judge finds out you left >your front doors wide open with a big flashing neon sign above them >he'll no doubt have a very hard time controlling his laughter; if you >can ever get your case that far, that is. The *real* costs are only >those associated with closing your relays -- not some inflated price >list for services you've invented. > >If you'd try working *with* the community, instead of against it, you'd >be one hell of a lot further along. > >-- > Greg A. Woods > >+1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP <gwoods(a)acm.org> <robohack!woods> >Planix, Inc. <woods(a)planix.com>; Secrets of the Weird <woods(a)weird.com> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean(a)av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: ARIN whois
by Dean Anderson 29 Nov '99

29 Nov '99

Around 04:07 PM 11/22/1999 -0600, rumor has it that Joe Shaw said: >The FBI has recently stated that their computer crimes people are entirely >overworked and way behind. So, while they will look into the matter, my >previous experience with the FBI and computer crime shows a decided lack >of interest in crimes that don't involve a high dollar figure for damages >or stolen goods/services except for the purposes of profiling attacks and >doing trend analysis. Unless you're looking at a six figure loss, you >probably won't get far. Thats been my experience too. The problem right now though is most of the boston office is off on Egypt Air. (I didn't know what the agent meant by "newport" at first) Though I have no idea what they are really going to do about that. Tape is pretty clear cut. Everyone is dead. Whats there to figure out? >Your best bet is to find a solution to restrict access to your relays. Would. But there isn't/hasn't been one. Talking with Dan Senie offline about SMTP AUTH. Might be more widely deployed than I knew. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean(a)av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: ARIN whois
by Dean Anderson 29 Nov '99

29 Nov '99

These are coming from Mass, Cleveland, Ohio, and Virginia. We use our relays for legitimate business purposes. They are not "accidentally left open". We are not going to close them. We are going to pursue abusers civilly and criminally. The FBI assures me that it does not matter criminally that access comes from international sources. Much of the activity appears to be comming from alleged ANTI-SPAMMERs such as Chris Neill, and Alan Brown and Ron Guillemette who have been inciting attacks against us, posting to alt.2600 and advertising our service. Inciting criminal acts is a criminal act too, I'm pretty sure. We make sure to mention them prominently. --Dean Around 11:18 PM 11/21/1999 -0500, rumor has it that Kai Schlichting said: > >At 09:16 PM 11/21/99 -0500, Dean Anderson wrote: > >>Can someone send me a list of *all* AOL netblocks? ARIN's whois only gives back a handful. >> >>I want to block _all_ AOL netblocks, but its tough to find out what they are. >> >>Thanks to a few malicious, radical antispammers (Chris Neill, Alan Brown, etc) we are getting hit with a large number of criminal mail relays. Mostly coming from AOL addresses. We have about a half dozen individual criminal complaints underway. > >Don't kid us, Dan. Close your fucking relays (not that any of them talk to >my hosts anyhow). If this has to be drummed into your bonehead again: THEY >WILL FIND YOUR RELAYS ON THEIR OWN, AND THEY WILL ABUSE THEM, NO MATTER >HOW LOUD YOU SCREAM. THEY SIT IN CHINA, PAKISTAN AND KOREA, AND THERE IS >NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THEM SHORT OF CALLING THE WHITEHOUSE AND GETTING >THESE PLACES INVADED. Alternatively, you could come to your senses and >shut the literal front door of your house now that you've finally noticed >the first unsavory characters passing by. A couple years after the rest >of us, no doubt. > >And they won't need ORBS or any other service to locate you, either. >Stop complaining. No more secrets (now that's from Scott Yelich's tagline). > >bye,Kai > >-- >kai(a)conti.nu "Just say No" to Spam Kai Schlichting >Palo Alto, New York, You name it Sophisticated Technical Peon >Kai's SpamShield <tm> is FREE! http://SpamShield.Conti.nu >| | >LeasedLines-FrameRelay-IPLs-ISDN-PPP-Cisco-Consulting-VoiceFax-Data-Muxes >WorldWideWebAnything-Intranets-NetAdmin-UnixAdmin-Security-ReallyHardMath > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean(a)av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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NANOG18 Call for Presentations
by Susan R. Harris 29 Nov '99

29 Nov '99

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS * * NANOG 18 * * San Jose, CA * * Feb. 6 - 8, 2000 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The North American Network Operators Group (NANOG) will hold its 18th meeting in San Jose, CA between February 6 - 8, 2000. NANOG conferences provide a forum for the coordination and dissemination of technical information related to large-scale (i.e., national/international) Internet backbone networking technologies and operational practices. NANOG meetings, held three times each year, include two days of short presentations, plus afternoon/evening tutorial sessions. Meetings are informal, with an emphasis on relevance to current backbone engineering practices. The conference draws around 500 participants, mainly consisting of engineering staff from large national service providers, and members of the research and education community. Now in its fifth year, NANOG evolved from the NSFNET "regional-techs" meetings, where technical staff from the regional networks met to discuss operational issues of common concern. With the emergence of the commercial Internet, NANOG meetings evolved to include a broader base of providers, network operators, and researchers. NANOG 18 will be hosted by Exodus Communications. For more information about NANOG, conference hotels, schedules, and logistics, see: http://www.nanog.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NANOG invites presentations on backbone engineering, coordination, and research topics. Presentations should highlight issues relating to technology already deployed or soon to be deployed in core Internet backbones and exchange points. Previous meetings have included presentations on: - Backbone traffic engineering - Coordination of inter-provider QoS - Deployment experience with queueing disciplines (CAR, RED) - Inter-provider security and routing protocol authentication - Routing scalability in backbone infrastructures - Security issues for the Internet core - Routing policy specification and backbone router configuration - Building large-scale measurement infrastructure - Cooperative inter-provider caching - Alternatives to hot-potato routing - Recommendations on queue management and congestion avoidance - Experience with differentiated services - Reports from next-generation networks (Internet2, CA*net, etc.) - Inter-domain multicast deployment - Backbone network failure analysis - Inter-exchange point updates Tutorials have covered topics such as: - BGP case studies - MPLS fundamentals - External route selection - IP multicast technologies - Distributed content caching in large IP networks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ HOW TO PRESENT Submit an informal one- or two-paragraph abstract describing the presentation in email to nanog-support(a)nanog.org. The deadline for proposals is December 15, 1999. Abstracts will be accepted after December 15 on the basis of timeliness and quality of the presentation. Presenters will be notified of acceptance by January 10, 2000. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: What happened to the hosting infrastructure maps
by mpw＠anyweb.ch 29 Nov '99

29 Nov '99

Henry, try this: http://www.bbn.com/infrastructure/us_host.htm cheers Mike --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Portworsnick Network Engineer AnyWeb AG CCIE# 4985 Switzerland mpw(a)anyweb.ch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Henry R. Linneweh" To: nanog <nanog(a)merit.edu> <linneweh@conce cc: ntric.net> Subject: What happened to the hosting infrastructure maps Sent by: owner-nanog@mer it.edu 11/29/99 04:46 AM Please respond to linneweh for the USA and Europe this link is dead http://www.bbnplanet.com/products/maps/us_host.htm -- Thank you; |--------------------------------------------| | Thinking is a learned process so is UNIX | |--------------------------------------------| Henry R. Linneweh

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