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RE: dsl providers that will route /24
by Nanog 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

GotBandwidth.Com can do this over a Rhythms' business DSL line, presuming it's "your" space. Depending on your application the rates may be different. Lance -----Original Message----- From: michael [mailto:michael@aplatform.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:08 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: dsl providers that will route /24 Hello, Looking for contact information on dsl providers that route IP space not within their assigned block. I am also curious on high speed wireless doing the same. Thanks, Michael...

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Re: dsl providers that will route /24
by michael 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

Hello Jonathan, I was/am hoping that by putting in my original question someone that was knowledgable from those places et al, would reply. Thanks, Michael... On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Jonathan Kalbfeld wrote: > AFAIK, Covad/Brainstorm/RCN will route /24s, but grudgingly. > > I've got them routing 199.33.244.0/24 to my house. > > Good luck when you call them though, trying to explain to them what > it means for address space to be portable. ;-) > > jonathan > > -- > Jonathan Kalbfeld > ThoughtWave Technologies LLC > UNIX, Networking, Programming > +1 415 386 UNIX > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, michael wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > Looking for contact information on dsl providers that route IP space not > > within their assigned block. I am also curious on high speed wireless > > doing the same. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Michael... > > > > > >

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RE: xDSL providers that will route /24
by Segal, Mark 26 Mar '01

26 Mar '01

Although we are in the Toronto Area, I will still put my two cents in... We are a xDSL provider in Canada (using rhythms Canada loops (which we happen to be a 50/50 JV partner)). We will route customer provided IP space; If they "actually" own it, and also if they are not a service provider. Since many companies who have portable space, were either around 10 years ago.. :) or are service providers we usually are very cautious on this front. Under no circumstances will be BGP peer with a xDSL customer. The reasoning is quite simple, business grade xDSL is oversubscribed (not as much as residential) that's why it is so much cheaper, and someone with IP space of their own are usually going to use more than their fair share.. So we them to buy a T1.. :). Also, many xDSL providers think this way, so if you want some sort of redundant guaranteed uptime, xDSL isn't all its cracked up to be, plus the SLA's are usually poor (our avg downtime is much higher for xDSL than other access method). Mark -- Mark Segal Director, Data and Internet Planning Axxent Corp. Tel: (416)907-2858 > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Dobbins [mailto:rdobbins@netmore.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 4:09 PM > To: michael > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: dsl providers that will route /24 > > > > Try www.rhythms.com. > > michael wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Business grade. And it was suggested that I follow up with > more specific > > location. > > > > California, San Francisco bay area. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Michael... > > > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2001, Jason Lixfeld wrote: > > > > > Are we talking business grade DSL or Resi grade DSL? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com] > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 3:04 PM > > > > To: 'michael'; nanog(a)merit.edu > > > > Subject: RE: dsl providers that will route /24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you find such, I want to know too. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: michael [mailto:michael@aplatform.com] > > > > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:08 AM > > > > > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > > > > > Subject: dsl providers that will route /24 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > Looking for contact information on dsl providers that route > > > > > IP space not > > > > > within their assigned block. I am also curious on high > > > > speed wireless > > > > > doing the same. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Michael... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ----------- > > > > This email server is running an evaluation copy of the > > > > MailShield anti- > > > > spam software. Please contact your email administrator > if you have any > > > > questions about this message. MailShield product info: > > > www.mailshield.com > > > . > > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Roland Dobbins <rdobbins(a)netmore.net> // 408.859.4137 voice >

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Looking for a good dual homing situation in Macomb County, MI
by John Palmer (NANOG Acct) 25 Mar '01

25 Mar '01

Hi - We currently have PSINet routing our CIDR block to us over a DSL connection. I'd like to become dual-homed (for reliability). Anyone know of a DSL provider that serves our area and also will route an address block that isn't one of their blocks? We operate an ORSC root server as well as several large TLDs and need the reliability of two connections.

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RE: dsl providers that will route /24
by Roeland Meyer 25 Mar '01

25 Mar '01

If you find such, I want to know too. > -----Original Message----- > From: michael [mailto:michael@aplatform.com] > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:08 AM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: dsl providers that will route /24 > > > > Hello, > > Looking for contact information on dsl providers that route > IP space not > within their assigned block. I am also curious on high speed wireless > doing the same. > > Thanks, > > Michael... > >

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Provider outage explanations...
by Jonathan Disher 25 Mar '01

25 Mar '01

[Names withheld to protect the inept] Tonight has been a frustrating night. Two outages, both totally unexpected, and as of yet, totally unexplained. Admittedly, it's only been 8 hours since the first, and 2 since the second. But it really should not take 48 (or, often times, MORE) to come up with a valid explanation of what happened. We've had outages that have -never- been explained... just ignored. Basically, the first outage around 8 tonight, we saw everything blip for about 3 minutes. We're dual homed to $provider within the facility, one gig-e pipe to each of two hosting routers. What it looked like to me was that both were rebooted, or something was cycled in between us and the world. When I called $provider, I was shooed off by one tech who promised (and failed) to call back. The second crammed the "No, you're an idiot, you missed the published maintenance list which I'm emailing to you, go away" line down my throat. Of course, I dont know of providers that perform that level of maintenance at 8pm PST. None of their scheduled maintenance was listed. The second was, indeed, scheduled maintenance. Replacing the secondary hosting router. Then someone (apparently) reloaded the primary router while the secondary was -in pieces-... Then when I called, I was told "Oh, no, we have no idea what happened, but we'll let you know in 48 hours..." My BGP session was reset. -SOMETHING- happened, guys. Neither of these outages generated an email to the customer notification list. IMO, this shouldn't be acceptable. I may be new to some of this stuff, but in my experience, it doesn't take long to figure out whether someone reloaded the wrong router, or of the GRP let go of the precious magic smoke. What are some of the other major hosting/transit providers' outage notification and post-mortem policies? Should our next contract include provisions for Rogaine, so that when I finish tearing out my hair I can recover? -j -- -Jonathan Disher -Sr. Systems and Network Engineer, Web Operations -Internet Pictures Corporation, Palo Alto, CA -[v] (650) 388-0497 | [p] (877) 446-9311 | [e] jdisher(a)eng.ipix.com

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rtty 4.0
by Paul A Vixie 24 Mar '01

24 Mar '01

i know a lot of you are using rtty for your console concentrators, and this seems like the easiest way to let the world know that 4.0 is out. nothing earthshattering. still has the same old BSD-style license. ftp://ftp.vix.com/pub/vixie/rtty-4.0.shar.gz Portability to POSIX/ANSI systems (pre-ANSI or pre-POSIX no longer supported.) Uses nonblocking I/O to terminals rather than depending on undependable VMIN=0. Massive delinting (now passes "gcc -Wall".)

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The Cidr Report
by Tony Bates 24 Mar '01

24 Mar '01

This is an auto-generated mail on Fri Mar 23 23:00:00 PST 2001 It is not checked before it leaves my workstation. However, hopefully you will find this report interesting and will take the time to look through this to see if you can improve the amount of aggregation you perform. The report is split into sections: 0) General Status List the route table history for the last week, list any possibly bogus routes seen and give some status on ASes. 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level This lists the "Top 30" players who if they decided to aggregate their announced classful prefixes at the origin AS level could make a significant difference in the reduction of the current size of the Internet routing table. This calculation does not take into account the inclusion of holes when forming an aggregate so it is possible even larger reduction should be possible. 2) Weekly Delta A summary of the last weeks changes in terms of withdrawn and added routes. Please note that this is only a snapshot but does give some indication of ASes participating in CIDR. Clearly, it is generally a good thing to see a large amont of withdrawls. 3) Interesting aggregates Interesting here means not an aggregate made as a set of classful routes. Thanks to xara.net for giving me access to their routing tables once a day. Please send any comments about this report directly to me. Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr-report.html for a daily update of this report. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CIDR REPORT for 23Mar01 0) General Status Table History ------------- Date Prefixes 160301 97900 170301 98013 180301 97932 190301 97895 200301 97452 210301 97740 220301 97971 230301 98100 Check http://www.employees.org/~tbates/cidr.plot.html for a plot of the table history. Possible Bogus Routes --------------------- AS Summary ---------- Number of ASes in routing system: 6535 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix: 2606 (0 cidr, 2606 classful) Largest number of cidr routes: 0 announced by Largest number of classful routes: 1521 announced by AS1221 1) Gains by aggregating at the origin AS level --- 23Mar01 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsCIDR NetGain % Gain Description AS1221 1521 1147 374 24.6% Telstra Pty Ltd AS701 1433 1266 167 11.7% UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS9269 162 53 109 67.3% Internet service Provider in Hong AS6595 165 63 102 61.8% DoD Education Activity Network As AS6429 209 109 100 47.8% RdC Internet AS4151 255 156 99 38.8% USDA AS13999 104 8 96 92.3% Mega Cable S.A. de C.V. AS705 334 241 93 27.8% UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS4293 367 279 88 24.0% Cable & Wireless USA AS8013 317 233 84 26.5% PSINet Ltd. Canada AS7018 663 584 79 11.9% AT&T AS4755 211 136 75 35.5% Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonom AS577 234 165 69 29.5% Bell Advanced Communications Inc. AS5106 101 37 64 63.4% Ameritech Advanced Data Services, AS3464 153 91 62 40.5% Alabama SuperComputer Network AS724 211 150 61 28.9% DLA Systems Automation Center AS3749 119 60 59 49.6% Tennessee Board of Regents AS9498 74 17 57 77.0% BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS16758 63 6 57 90.5% IKON Office Solutions AS6413 67 11 56 83.6% Southern Online Systems, Inc. AS4323 233 177 56 24.0% Time Warner Communications, Inc. AS376 133 77 56 42.1% Reseau Interordinateurs Scientiqu AS226 149 93 56 37.6% Los Nettos AS174 460 404 56 12.2% PSINet Inc. AS11170 60 4 56 93.3% Bewell Net AS7568 83 28 55 66.3% C.S. Communications Co., Ltd. AS1 604 550 54 8.9% BBN Planet AS6471 99 46 53 53.5% ENTEL CHILE S.A. AS11252 89 36 53 59.6% ISU Computer Center Bldg. 5 AS7657 140 89 51 36.4% The Internet Group Limited For the rest of the previous weeks gain information please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html 2) Weekly Delta Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report 3) Interesting aggregates Please see http://www.employees.org:80/~tbates/cidr-report.html for this part of the report

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Re: Advanced Warning: Qwest/Lucent ATM upgrade
by Sean Donelan 24 Mar '01

24 Mar '01

On Fri, 23 March 2001, Sean Donelan wrote: > Routing may be weirder than normal this evening. Qwest is upgrading > their Lucent ATM switches to fix a bug, and needs to shutdown their > entire ATM backbone for a couple of hours Apparently big company disease has taken over. Part of Qwest is telling customers it is working very hard to make this change as fast, and as painless as possible. The other part of Qwest is telling customers, Duh, never heard of ATM. As best I can tell, if you are buying Qwest "IP" service, this won't affect you. If you are buying Qwest "ATM" service, it will affect you. Of course, carriers buying dark fiber services from Qwest will not be affected by whatever shenigans are going on at layer 2/3/4/5/6/7. As always, your Qwest salesperson should be your best source of information.

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Re: Advice on colo locations in SJC
by Kevin Facinelli 23 Mar '01

23 Mar '01

> Simon, > > You have a lot of choices for colocation in the San > Jose area. I pulled a listing of colocation > providers > in California that show service in the 408 area code > and 20 different providers show up. I would think > that many of these organizations would be able to > fill > your needs however each would need to be explored in > more detail. I would suggest sending out a RFP to a > number of different organizations and based on their > responses selecting the one you feel most > comfortable > with, > > Results from www.colosource.com search on > California, > 408 area code > > Many companies list Corporate Office or NOC as > primary > business location but all have facilities within > your > search parameters. Specifics on additional facility > locations can be found in the listing detail. > > 1. AboveNet - San Jose, California - 888-298-5566 > Clients co-located within an AboveNet Internet > Service > Exchange (ISX) enjoy the three major components of > the > AboveNet solution: World-class facilities Unmatched, > congestion-free Internet connecti > > 2. AstraGate, Inc. - Santa Clara, California - > 408-985-4590 > AstraGate provides one of the highest quality > collocations, and in the most high tech facilities > in > the US. Our prices can not be beat for this kind of > infrastructure and peace of mind. One month o > > 3. Bay Area Internet Solutions (BAIS, Inc.) - San > Jose, California - (408) 545-0500 > Bay Area Internet Solutions (BAIS, Inc.), a leader > in > Internet access and communications solutions, offers > a > comprehensive range of Internet services to > businesses, online service providers and e-busi > > 4. Broadwing Communications - San Jose, California - > 408-441-3461 > Multi-billion dollar company that owns and operates > over 21,500 route miles of next generation fiber. We > also operate 11 data centers in major markets > throughout the US. We offer professional services > > 5. COLO.COM - Brisbane, California - 877-GET-COLO > COLO.COM's Neutral Optical solution will offer you - > the customer - more choices than ever before: Choice > of cage, cabinets or custom space, choice of > domestic > and international locations, choice of n > > 6. Concentric Network Corporation - San Jose, > California - 877.932.2629 > ConcentricHost Co-location is the ideal solution for > your business if you own a dedicated server and want > to outsource your Web hosting. The service makes it > easy for your company to focus on its core > > 7. ELAN Communications Inc. - San Jose, California - > 877-ELAN-NET > ELAN is a parent company of BizNet Communications. > We > are headquartered in San Jose and specialize in > providing dedicated connectivity and outsourcing > services to ISPs. We provide dedicatated servers, > > 8. Equinix, Inc. - Mountain View, California - 650 > 316-6000 > Equinix, Inc. designs, builds and operates neutral > Internet Business Exchange� (IBX�) centers which > provide e-commerce companies, content providers and > ASPs with the power to choose from a wide variet > > 9. Exodus - Santa Clara, California - 408.346.2200 > CyberRack� & CyberCabinet� For businesses with > smaller > space requirements, scalable racks and enclosed > cabinets allow you to store and manage your > equipment > offsite and enjoy the unequivocal advantag > > 10. Global Crossing - Sunnyvale, California - > 408.543.4700 > A GlobalCenter Data Center is the best e-business > location on the Internet. Our Data Centers incorpo > > 11. Hurricane Electric Internet Services - Fremont, > California - 510-580-4190 > Hurricane Electric is in the same building as > MAE-West. We have multiple fiber optic OC-3 > connections, and directly peer with major networks. > -------------------------------------------------- > > 12. InReach Internet - Oakland, California - > 510-291-5165 > InReach provides 3 DS-3 connections to the Internet > including an ATM connection to the PacBell NAP, > located directly across the street from our downtown > Oakland facility. Colocation gives your servers > > 13. Internet Specialties West - Westlake Village, > California - 818/ 735-3000 > ISWest's network is fully switched using only top > quality components from Cisco Systems. In addition, > all servers are fed from multi-homed DS3 (Frontier > Global Center & Relay Point) backbones.Our netw > > 14. Level 3 Communications - Sunnyvale, California - > 408-774-5000 > Level 3 is a fiber-based carrier that offers > state-of-the-art colocation facilities for > high-bandwidth IP and telecommunications users in > over > 30 cities worldwide. > > 15. Netstream - San Jose, California - 408-291-5457 > I am Joe Franco and my company is NetStream. We are > a > Next Generation Network Provider. Are company does > broadband internet service, collocation services, > local, and long distance phone services. A > > 16. Silicon Valley Telecom & Internet Exchange - San > Jose, California - 408-234-3400 > multiple carrier hotel last mile to MAE WEST, RBOC > ports to 274 Brannan in San Francisco, Paix, Mae > West. > 1,200 cabs and racks for lease. 100,000 sf bldg home > of Verio, NTT, Enron, ELI. 7 NODES, Ba > > 17. Switch & Data Facilities Co - Tampa, Florida - > 800-4559922 > Switch & Data Facilities Co. (S&DFC) operates a > nation-wide chain of carrier-neutral, highly > improved > shared-infrastructure (�colocation�) facilities, > offering ISPs and telcos flexible, economical spa > > 18. Verado - San Jose, California - 408-280-2300 > Verado offers customized solutions that range from > fully outsourced managed hosting to customer > maintained data center colocation services. Verado�s > broad range of managed hosting services include sto > > 19. Web Professionals, Inc. - Cupertino, California > - > 408/ 863-4848 > Web Server Collocation inside an Internet Exchange > As > corporate Web sites reach a new level of > sophistication beyond brochureware sites of the > past, > their reliability, response time, network throughp > > 20. Web Zone, Inc. - Santa Clara, California - 408 > 235-1476 > Web Zone, Inc. offers "Total Managed Services" in > the > co-location environment. Specializing in Co-location > space, bandwidth, 24 x 7 monitoring and response > services, server on demand, firewall on dema > > Good luck, > > Kevin > > > > --- Simon Lockhart <simonl(a)rd.bbc.co.uk> wrote: > > > > All, > > > > I'm just trying to work out a plan for building my > > network into the SJC > > area. (I've got LA sorted - it looks like 1 > Wilshire > > is the place to be - > > or nearby!). > > > > I'll be needing to hook up to MAE-West ATM, and to > > PAIX, bringing in > > long-haul backbone circuits (from LA and probably > an > > alternate route from > > NY), and hopping out a few local circuits to the > Bay > > area. Initially I'd > > be looking for just 1 or two racks to house > routers, > > but longer term would > > need access to a larger colo space if we build a > > server farm. All colo > > should be "neutral" where possible. > > > > MAE-W looks to be in 55 South Market, SJ, and a > few > > people seem to have > > colo available there. Is that a good place to be? > > Any better suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Simon > > -- > > Simon Lockhart | Tel: +44 > > (0)1737 839676 > > Internet Engineering Manager | Fax: +44 > > (0)1737 839516 > > BBC Internet Services | Email: > > Simon.Lockhart(a)bbc.co.uk > > Kingswood Warren,Tadworth,Surrey,UK | URL: > > http://support.bbc.co.uk/ > > > > > > > > > ===== > Kevin Facinelli > www.colosource.com > webmaster(a)colosource.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ===== Kevin Facinelli www.colosource.com webmaster(a)colosource.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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