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Re: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20
by Kyle C. Bacon 10 Apr '01

10 Apr '01

>>It seems a poor reasons for acquiring a company, as they >>really do not "own" the address space. --Mike-- That is an interesting comment, has anyone ever heard of ARIN revoking IP's from a entity who no longer meets current ARIN criteria for a give size allocation? Or is it infact the case that once you get the IP space as long as you keep paying for it you get to keep it? in essence you do "own" it as long as you keep the capitalist portion of ARIN happy and pay your annual IP bills? (no offense to those ARIN workforce members among us). K mike harrison <meuon@higher To: "John K. Doyle, Jr." <John.Doyle(a)oracle.com> tech.net> cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Sent by: Subject: Re: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 owner-nanog@m erit.edu 04/09/2001 06:07 PM John said: > Well, you could acquire a company that already has one. :) That has been the suggestion from several people. I've even considered it, especially when one of my local competitors has a /18, and they are much smaller than we are. We 'NAT' an incredible amount of dial-up and commercial customers to reduce our need for public IP's, and trends thankfully went to customers WANTING to be NAT'd and Proxied for 'firewall' reasons, with only a few public IP's. It seems a poor reasons for acquiring a company, as they really do not "own" the address space. --Mike--

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RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20
by Kyle C. Bacon 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

Obtaining IP space from ARIN is easy as 1, 2, 3 1) Document your network and force your customers to document theirs (if you are re-allocating to customers) 2) Practice responsible allocations as outlines in RFC's & ARIN (force your customers to do the same) 3) SWIP K "Segal, Mark" <Mark.Segal@Corp. To: nanog(a)merit.edu Axxent.Ca> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 owner-nanog@merit .edu 04/09/2001 06:10 PM With comments like that too a public list which ARIN reads.. :).. Have fun requesting your next allocation. :). Mark -- Mark Segal Director, Data and Internet Planning Axxent Corp. Tel: (416)907-2858 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jade E. Deane [mailto:jade.deane@HelloNetwork.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:31 PM > To: 'mike harrison'; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 > > > > Sure... knee pads and a copy of the communist manifesto, to > put you in the > proper ARIN mindset. > > Jade > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike harrison [mailto:meuon@highertech.net] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:40 PM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 > > > > > With the demise of Winstar/good.net locally, > and us having to renumber anyway, I am getting > started on the idea of getting a 'portable' > /19 from Arin. We are currently using a non-portable /20 > and a couple of /24's. > > Any words of advice as we start this process? > I'd like to do this right the first time > and could use an experienced viewpoint. > > Mike Harrison -- ASN 3901 > > >

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RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20
by Roeland Meyer 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

> From: mike harrison [mailto:meuon@highertech.net] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:08 PM > > John said: > > Well, you could acquire a company that already has one. :) > > That has been the suggestion from several people. > I've even considered it, especially when one of my local > competitors has a /18, and they are much smaller than we are. Isn't it wonderful how being a good netizen allows your less-picky competitors to get a leg-up on you? Say what<!?!>, they're smaller than you and have an /18? How did that happen? > We 'NAT' an incredible amount of dial-up and commercial customers > to reduce our need for public IP's, and trends thankfully went to > customers WANTING to be NAT'd and Proxied for 'firewall' reasons, > with only a few public IP's. However, it kinda makes you wish that you hadn't NAT'd doesn't it? Then, you'd have less of a problem qualifying for the /19. > It seems a poor reasons for acquiring a company, as they > really do not "own" the address space. --Mike-- Remember that point made ... about the communist manifesto?

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RE: PPPoE server software?
by Rowland, Alan D 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

Mandrake Linux also includes PPPoE software. Based on Red Hat so they may also include it. But to my knowledge these are client apps only, not server. :( -Al -----Original Message----- From: doug(a)safeport.com [mailto:doug@safeport.com] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 9:32 AM To: Matt Cramer Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: PPPoE server software? FreeBSD supports PPPoE On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Matt Cramer wrote: > | Signature by unknown keyid: 0x1F6A4471 > > We are looking to test various DSL modems and routers in our lab, but > can't get a DSL connection put in that building according to Verizon. I'd > like to simulate one by running my own PPPoE server (my purpose is to test > the various SOHO routers on the market, particularly the Linksys and the > Cisco). > > If anyone has any information about doing this, such as pointers to PPPoE > server software (I'd prefer to do it with linux or BSD), I would > appreciate the info. > > > Thanks, > > Matt > > -- > Matthew S. Cramer <mscramer(a)armstrong.com> Office: 717-396-5032 > Lead Security Analyst Fax: 717-396-5590 > Armstrong Information Technology Services Pager: 717-305-3915 > Armstrong World Industries, Inc. Cell: 717-951-0141 > _____ Douglas Denault doug(a)safeport.com Voice: 301-469-8766 Fax: 301-469-0601

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RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20
by Segal, Mark 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

With comments like that too a public list which ARIN reads.. :).. Have fun requesting your next allocation. :). Mark -- Mark Segal Director, Data and Internet Planning Axxent Corp. Tel: (416)907-2858 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jade E. Deane [mailto:jade.deane@HelloNetwork.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:31 PM > To: 'mike harrison'; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 > > > > Sure... knee pads and a copy of the communist manifesto, to > put you in the > proper ARIN mindset. > > Jade > > -----Original Message----- > From: mike harrison [mailto:meuon@highertech.net] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:40 PM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 > > > > > With the demise of Winstar/good.net locally, > and us having to renumber anyway, I am getting > started on the idea of getting a 'portable' > /19 from Arin. We are currently using a non-portable /20 > and a couple of /24's. > > Any words of advice as we start this process? > I'd like to do this right the first time > and could use an experienced viewpoint. > > Mike Harrison -- ASN 3901 > > >

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Getting a "portable" /19 or /20
by mike harrison 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

With the demise of Winstar/good.net locally, and us having to renumber anyway, I am getting started on the idea of getting a 'portable' /19 from Arin. We are currently using a non-portable /20 and a couple of /24's. Any words of advice as we start this process? I'd like to do this right the first time and could use an experienced viewpoint. Mike Harrison -- ASN 3901

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RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20
by Jade E. Deane 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

Two points for hitting the nail on the head. Jade -----Original Message----- From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:13 PM To: 'James Thomason'; Jade E. Deane Cc: 'mike harrison'; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 The problem comes from when you only need a /24 and it has to be portable and multi-homed. > -----Original Message----- > From: James Thomason [mailto:james@divide.org] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:55 PM > To: Jade E. Deane > Cc: 'mike harrison'; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 > > > > Gee, I followed the guidelines and procedures outlined by ARIN - and > what do you know!? > > We got address space! Try it! You might like it! > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Jade E. Deane wrote: > > > > > Sure... knee pads and a copy of the communist manifesto, to > put you in the > > proper ARIN mindset. > > > > Jade > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mike harrison [mailto:meuon@highertech.net] > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:40 PM > > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > > Subject: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 > > > > > > > > > > With the demise of Winstar/good.net locally, > > and us having to renumber anyway, I am getting > > started on the idea of getting a 'portable' > > /19 from Arin. We are currently using a non-portable /20 > > and a couple of /24's. > > > > Any words of advice as we start this process? > > I'd like to do this right the first time > > and could use an experienced viewpoint. > > > > Mike Harrison -- ASN 3901 > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20
by mike harrison 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Jim Carroll wrote: > I've heard that Winstar has laid off half their workforce. Does anyone > think they have a future, or is this the beginning of the end? 3 to 4 hours after I unplugged from them, their noc/tech support starts to call and asking why we are down. This is actually an improvement, it used to take me that long to convince them we had a problem. I miss the days they were good.net and I could email actual people with a clue. Overall, they had been pretty decent to deal with and I'll miss them. --Mike--

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RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20
by Roeland Meyer 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

The problem comes from when you only need a /24 and it has to be portable and multi-homed. > -----Original Message----- > From: James Thomason [mailto:james@divide.org] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:55 PM > To: Jade E. Deane > Cc: 'mike harrison'; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: RE: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 > > > > Gee, I followed the guidelines and procedures outlined by ARIN - and > what do you know!? > > We got address space! Try it! You might like it! > > On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Jade E. Deane wrote: > > > > > Sure... knee pads and a copy of the communist manifesto, to > put you in the > > proper ARIN mindset. > > > > Jade > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mike harrison [mailto:meuon@highertech.net] > > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:40 PM > > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > > Subject: Getting a "portable" /19 or /20 > > > > > > > > > > With the demise of Winstar/good.net locally, > > and us having to renumber anyway, I am getting > > started on the idea of getting a 'portable' > > /19 from Arin. We are currently using a non-portable /20 > > and a couple of /24's. > > > > Any words of advice as we start this process? > > I'd like to do this right the first time > > and could use an experienced viewpoint. > > > > Mike Harrison -- ASN 3901 > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: BGP Economics ? (fwd)
by Lee Howard 09 Apr '01

09 Apr '01

Maybe you didn't realize you'd also contacted the administrators for AS7046: AS Nets then Nets now Net gain/loss AS7046 333 so low it's off the CIDR report! This may not be all your doing; I'd like to think the Internet community would have been working on it anyway, but social pressure does seem to help. Another 100,000 routes and we'll all be fine. Let me point out that the views of Messrs. Nussbacher and Huston are not incompatible. The ASNs appearing on Tony Bates's CIDR Report do seem to have made significant progress, but the Huston report at NANOG (reprised at ARIN) suggest that most growth is due to medium sized multihoming, which may not be reflected in the CIDR Report. Lee ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:58:44 +0200 From: Hank Nussbacher <hank(a)att.net.il> To: Geoff Huston <gih(a)telstra.net>, tme(a)21rst-century.com Cc: Nanog mailing list <nanog(a)merit.edu> Subject: Re: BGP Economics ? At 09:08 08/04/01 +1000, Geoff Huston wrote: >So, if there is a belief that BGP table growth has slowed down in the >first three months of this year due to social pressure, I do not support >such a view even though the AS1221 data appears to indicate this. Its just >local issues. The AS286 view supports the view that the underlying growth >drivers are as strong as ever and the various efforts of nag mail of >network operators has been largely (and predictably) ineffectual. I decided to track how well my emails are doing. I have contacted about 25 ASNs so far based on Tony's report over ther past 3 months: AS Nets then Nets now Net gain/loss AS1221 1652 1594 -58 AS701 1581 1469 -112 AS11371 324 74 -250 AS4151 277 242 -35 AS3549 432 149 -283 AS271 280 73 -207 AS7545 196 138 -58 AS9269 162 113 -49 AS8006 146 19 -127 AS6429 218 212 -6 AS6595 163 163 0 AS13999 109 87 -22 AS4293 384 372 -12 AS8013 330 565 +235 AS4755 213 204 -9 AS1942 136 55 -81 AS1727 176 14 -162 AS9498 87 80 -7 AS6499 170 39 -131 AS5106 101 101 0 AS11170 64 28 -36 AS16758 63 63 0 AS3464 153 123 -30 AS3749 120 121 +1 AS6413 67 67 0 Withdrawn nets: 1675, added nets: 236, net reduction: 1409 nets. Now I guess some of these would have reduced their routing announcements in any event. Is this a scientific study? No. Does it show that perhaps the routing table growth can be flattened via contacting ASN admins? I believe the answer is yes. -Hank PS I have contacted AS8013 (PSA Canada) on March 6 (swip(a)PSI.CA, noc(a)psi.ca) No response and only a large growth over the past month. If anyone has better contact info than what is listed in ARIN and RADB, please feel free to let me know. >At 4/8/01 08:16 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >>Dear Geoff; >> >> I just noticed the remarkable flattening in the recent growth of the >> BGP table >>in your BGP graphs at : >>http://www.telstra.net/ops/bgp/index.html >> >>It didn't even seem this striking at Minneapolis. >> >> >> >> Regards >> Marshall Eubanks >> >> >> Multicast Technologies, Inc. >> 10301 Democracy Lane, Suite 410 >> Fairfax, Virginia 22030 >> Phone : 703-293-9624 Fax : 703-293-9609 >> e-mail : tme(a)on-the-i.com http://www.on-the-i.com >> >> Test your network for multicast : http://www.multicasttech.com/mt/ >

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