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How Do You Do it? (txt edition)
by Nick Catalano 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

(sorry, I forgot to take out the formatting) How do most ISPs do their local loops if a building is not ON Net? Colocate with the LEC and run it from their CO? What is the most efficient way of doing it? Also, other than MMFN who else has metro dark-fiber in 20 year IRUs? ---------------------- Nick Catalano Chief Strategy Officer Nozone, Inc Services from the next generation - Nozone, Inc

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How Do You Do it?
by Nick Catalano 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

How do most ISPs do their local loops if a building is not ON Net? Colocate with the LEC and run it from their CO? What is the most efficient way of doing it? Also, other than MMFN who else has metro dark-fiber in 20 year IRUs? ---------------------- Nick Catalano Chief Strategy Officer Nozone, Inc Services from the next generation - Nozone, Inc

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Re: Points of Failure (was Re: National infrastructure asset)
by Dickson, Brian 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Even if diversity exists, we need to consider (from an engineering perspective) capacity requirements. Analogy example: FedEx, UPS and others provide huge quantities of shipping, and sustaining the infrastructure growth of the Internet to some substantial degree relies on this capacity. What would the direct and indirect impact of losing the airport at Memphis, or the FedEx sorting facility? Pretty substantial, and long lasting, I'd guess. Similarly, while certain peering locations and relationships have redundancies, the Venn diagrams for union and intersection sets of bilateral peering are non-trivial. It would take a large number of incident locations to affect global route distribution substantially, but only two or three incidents before the impact on available peering capacity (private and public) would be noticable to the general end-user. I think to some degree this should be taken seriously - we should all ask ourselves, does our peering diversity address *capacity* issues sufficiently to handle even one major site outage (eg the power outages at 25 Broadway)? And in considering this, look at each site itself and what the impact of it going away, even temporarily, would be. (Our plans involve going to a large number of neutral colos, for just this reason, among others.) Brian Dickson Velocita Corp.

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Re: National infrastructure asset
by Joel Jaeggli 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

ah, those are tat-12/13 landing sites, sorry. On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Mike Lyon wrote: > https://www.tat-14.com/stations.jsp > > -Mike > > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > > > > tat-14's landing sites are green hill, rhode-island and shirley, new york > > are they not? > > > > joelja > > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Anthony Townsend wrote: > > > > > > > > dont forget too that a good part of transatlantic > > > fiber is backhauled through the holland tunnel into > > > lower manhattan, one of many reasons why all the > > > co-los are on the lower west side (in addition to > > > cheap buildings with heavy load capacity). also one of > > > the (again many) reasons i presume the tunnel has > > > remained closed. > > > > > > according to Telegeography, Inc of Washington DC most > > > of the BIG capacity cables like Mercus-1 and TAT14 > > > come ashore in New Jersey around Manasquan. its mostly > > > the older stuff that arrives on Long Island. > > > > > > --- Alex Rubenstein <alex(a)nac.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Jan-Ahrent Czmok wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:00:30 +0100 > > > > > Alex Bligh <alex(a)alex.org.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > AB> 111 8th Avenue. These buildings are > > > > significant PoF in NY, and > > > > > AB> NY itself is pretty much an SPoF as far as > > > > transatlantic communication > > > > > AB> is concerned. > > > > > > > > > > Well.. I would declare the SPoF rather in the > > > > whole area. Fibre trails are > > > > > coming in from the seaside mostly near Mineola. > > > > > > > > Mostly? I donut think so; my recollection is a vast > > > > majority of > > > > trans-atlantic stuff coming in ocean and monmouth > > > > county, NJ (manasquan, > > > > etc). > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > Anthony Townsend > > > Taub Urban Research Center > > > New York University > > > email: anthony.townsend(a)nyu.edu > > > tel: 212-998-7502 > > > SMS: anthony(a)voicestream.net (140 chars max) > > > Yahoo Messenger: townsnda > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Jaeggli joelja(a)darkwing.uoregon.edu Academic User Services consult(a)gladstone.uoregon.edu PGP Key Fingerprint: 1DE9 8FCA 51FB 4195 B42A 9C32 A30D 121E -------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is clear that the arm of criticism cannot replace the criticism of arms. Karl Marx -- Introduction to the critique of Hegel's Philosophy of the right, 1843.

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NANOG 23 Meeting Info.
by Carol Wadsworth 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

NANOG 23 Meeting Information A partial list of presentation topics for NANOG 23 is now posted on the web: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0110/topics.html Additional meeting information can be found at: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0110/index.html For those of you who have registered to attend the meeting, we look forward to seeing you in Oakland and would like to remind you about two upcoming deadlines: October 5 -- the NANOG room block at the hotel expires. For reservation information, please see: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0110/hotel.html October 5 -- if your registration fee is unpaid by this date, the fee increases $50. To check on your payment status, please reference the attendee list at: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0110/registration.list.html Thanks -- and hope to see you there!

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C&W BGP Communities
by German Martinez 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Hi all, Is somebody aware of C&W BGP Communities ? Do you know if they send commmuties by default to their customers ? If somebody in this list is from C&W NOC or Engineering please contact me off-line. Rgds German Martinez Opentransit NOC ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * THE DILBERT FUTURE * * Thriving on Stupidity in the 21st Century * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Internet capacity will increase indefinitely to keep up with the egos of the people using it"

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Re: C&W BGP Communities
by Marc Williams 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

I should clarify. They dont have one that states that route A comes from the EU/US or a specifc country. -- Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Levente Nagy" <levente.nagy(a)hu.uu.net> To: "'Marc Williams'" <mw(a)uk.yahoo-inc.com>; "German Martinez" <gmartine(a)gip.net>; <nanog(a)merit.edu> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: RE: C&W BGP Communities > Yes they do. > > http://infopage.cary.cw.net/Routing/4)_General_Routing_Info/communitiesdetai > l.html > > > Levente > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marc Williams [mailto:mw@uk.yahoo-inc.com] > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 5:19 PM > > To: German Martinez; nanog(a)merit.edu > > Subject: Re: C&W BGP Communities > > > > > > > > > > They dont have a BGP community policy that is customer facing. > > > > -- > > Marc > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "German Martinez" <gmartine(a)gip.net> > > To: <nanog(a)merit.edu> > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 4:13 PM > > Subject: C&W BGP Communities > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > Is somebody aware of C&W BGP Communities ? > > > Do you know if they send commmuties by default to their customers ? > > > > > > If somebody in this list is from C&W NOC or Engineering > > please contact me > > > off-line. > > > > > > Rgds > > > German Martinez > > > Opentransit NOC > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > * THE DILBERT FUTURE * > > > * Thriving on Stupidity in the 21st Century * > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > "Internet capacity will increase indefinitely > > > to keep up with the egos of the people using it" > > > > > > > > > > >

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NSA Router Security Reccomendation Guide
by Randy Neals 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

The NSA has published an updated version of their "Router Security Configuration Guide" (version 1.0h - Sept 17, 2001.) The document is described as: "Principles and guidance for secure configuration of IP routers, with detailed instructions for Cisco Systems routers." Download Link: http://nsa.www.conxion.com/ (Also some Win2K Security Guides updated Sept 21) -Randy

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looking for SLA examples
by Tim Peiffer 23 Sep '01

23 Sep '01

We are looking at putting in contract language surrounding Service Level Agreements and I would like to know what people are doing from the standpoint of latency, packet loss, and bandwidth delivery capability. What examples do people have written in contracts on the above, and what penalties are there for not resolving problems? Example: Service Provider agrees to provide maximum latency guarantees 1) on-net CPE to on-net CPE 60 msec. 2) on-net CPE to off-net peering point 30 msec. 3) End to End 100 msec within the continental US. Remedies for violation of latency guarantee for unresolved latency problems. 1 month 15% off of monthly rate 2 month 25% off of monthly rate 3 month 35% off of monthly rate >3 month customer has option of cancelling remainder of contract. My understanding is that expected latency should be based upon the speed of light in glass 0.6C or roughly 6msec per 1000 fiber route miles plus some amount for router serialization and queuing delays (~5 msec/hop?). What do people use as standard rule of thumb for calculating latency? What do people expect for service level commitments, normal+50% (100?) ? Tim Peiffer peiffer(a)nts.umn.edu Operations Manager - Engineering Automation Networking and Telecommunications Operations University of Minnesota +1 612 626 7884 desk 2218 University Ave +1 612 625 0006 problems +1 612 626 1002 fax Minneapolis MN 55455, USA

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Re: Don't blame Intelligence or Security Agencies.....
by Sean Donelan 22 Sep '01

22 Sep '01

On Thu, 13 September 2001, alex(a)yuriev.com wrote: > > The intelligence agencies in the United States are the best in the world. > > Mossad would disagree with you. > Ever wondered why no one hijacks El Al flights? Ever wonder why no one hijacks Qantas flights? Any topic, pick one. How about Internet on airplanes? How can we do CIDR allocations for aircraft? Does Cisco make a 400Hz airline power supply?

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