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Fwd: [802.3ae] P802.3ae has been approved by Revcom
by dave o'leary 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Just a quick follow-up message for my presentation at NANOG yesterday. The 10Gb Ethernet standard is ratified per below. dave >Subject: [802.3ae] P802.3ae has been approved by Revcom >Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:38:42 -0700 >From: "Jonathan Thatcher" <Jonathan.Thatcher(a)worldwidepackets.com> >To: "HSSG Reflector (E-mail)" <stds-802-3-hssg(a)ieee.org> >Cc: "802. 3@Ieee. Org (E-mail)" <stds-802-3(a)ieee.org> > >The note below says it all. > >My profound thanks to all who have participated and especially those that >have dedicated much of their life during the last three+ years to a rather >magnificent piece of work. I sincerely hope that you and your companies >will benefit greatly from this standard. Humanity at large certainly will. > >I could fill volumes with accolades. Instead, let me simply say two >things. I have been honored to have worked with such a great group; I >appreciate the raw intelligence; the mutual respect; the dignity; and the >integrity represented in our Task Force; I have never worked with, and >doubt I will ever again work with a better class of people. > >During the last 3 years, I have received a significant number of >compliments regarding my work as chair. I have attempted to graciously >accept these. But, I have always known, and attempted to make it clear, >that my effort was not and is not of primary consequence. The credit truly >belongs to you. This isn't some insincere attempt at humility. It is, >simply, the truth. > >Congratulations, Well Done, > >Jonathan Thatcher >Soon-to-be IEEE P802.3ae X-Chair > >| -----Original Message----- >| From: a.ortiz(a)ieee.org [mailto:a.ortiz@ieee.org] >| Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 7:21 AM >| To: Booth, Bradley >| Cc: david_law(a)eur.3com.com; Jonathan Thatcher >| Subject: RE: D4.2 ballot cycle...++CONGRATULATIONS++ >| >| >| Brad/Jonathan and David: >| >| CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU!!!!!! >| >| P802.3ae has been approved by Revcom >| >| Regards, >| >| Angela Ortiz >| Program Manager - Technical Program Development >| __________________________ >| IEEE Standards, 445 Hoes Lane, >| Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331 USA >| Telephone: 1732-562-3809 >< Fax: 1732-562-1571 >| E-m: a.ortiz(a)ieee.org >< www.standards.ieee.org >| >| FOSTERING TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATION >| >|

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RE: How many protocols...
by Mansey, Jon 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Imagine the sceanrio, customer calls ISP, " hey I cant connect to my work VPN through your connection", ISP, "Ahah, you need our business service, not the $20/m home user service, let me put you through to a business service sales person who'll be happy to take your $50/m, then you'll be able to work from home" > -----Original Message----- > From: Crist J. Clark [mailto:crist.clark@attbi.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:34 PM > To: Stephen Sprunk > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: How many protocols... > > > > Stephen Sprunk wrote, > > Thus spake "Magnus Boden" <mb(a)ozaba.cx> > > > I wouldn't call it an isp if they only allowed tcp, udp > and icmp. It > > > should be all ip protocols. > > > > > > There can be a maximum of 256 of them. The isp shouldn't > care what > > > the ipheader->protocol field is set to. > > > > There is at least one ISP here in the US that filters protocol 50 > > (IPsec ESP). Does that mean they're really not an ISP? > > If they are an ISP they are an aggressively clueless ISP. Why > on Earth would you block ESP? Some strange marketing ploy to > charge more to allow people to use VPNs? Ever heard of > transport mode? Does it actually cost them more to move ESP > packets than TCP/UDP/ICMP packets? Are they under some > mistaken impression ESP would be a bandwidth hog? Do they > block GRE (protocol 47)? Do they block Checkpoint's FWZ > (protocol 94)? Or any of the other zillion VPN protocols > (some which ride over TCP and UDP too)? > > Exactly which ISP does this? They deserve some public > humiliation for doing something that breathtakingly stupid to > their customers. > -- > Crist J. Clark | cjclark(a)alum.mit.edu > | cjclark(a)jhu.edu > http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc(a)freebsd.org >

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Re: How many protocols...
by Crist J. Clark 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Stephen Sprunk wrote, > Thus spake "Magnus Boden" <mb(a)ozaba.cx> > > I wouldn't call it an isp if they only allowed tcp, udp and icmp. > > It should be all ip protocols. > > > > There can be a maximum of 256 of them. The isp shouldn't care what > > the ipheader->protocol field is set to. > > There is at least one ISP here in the US that filters protocol 50 (IPsec ESP). > Does that mean they're really not an ISP? If they are an ISP they are an aggressively clueless ISP. Why on Earth would you block ESP? Some strange marketing ploy to charge more to allow people to use VPNs? Ever heard of transport mode? Does it actually cost them more to move ESP packets than TCP/UDP/ICMP packets? Are they under some mistaken impression ESP would be a bandwidth hog? Do they block GRE (protocol 47)? Do they block Checkpoint's FWZ (protocol 94)? Or any of the other zillion VPN protocols (some which ride over TCP and UDP too)? Exactly which ISP does this? They deserve some public humiliation for doing something that breathtakingly stupid to their customers. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark(a)alum.mit.edu | cjclark(a)jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc(a)freebsd.org

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Re: What's wrong with provisioning tools?
by Scott Weeks 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Bill Woodcock wrote: David Daley wrote: :> I would very much like to hear about "specific" needs for :> (provisioning) tools that would satisfy your needs : : : http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ops-operator-req-mgmt-02.txt I can't help but laugh at this worst case scenario. And I'm almost positive it's input from the NANOG participants and not the "Area Directors of Operations and Management" participants. Best-case is a group of programmers working alone in a fully-stocked lab environment with a testbed network of known and contained parameters and no time pressure. Worst case is a junior operator in the field, crouched in front of a rack of unidentified and undocumented equipment in a hot, dark, noisy machine room, with senior management yelling in both ears about thousands of customers out of service, and only a VT100 serial terminal at hand. Worst-case is far more common than best-case. *heh* :-) :-) scott

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GigEth regenerators
by Daniska Tomas 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

hi folks, is anybody aware of an optical long-haul gigabit ethernet regenerator box? anything like Cisco Optical Regenerator (COR) OC-48 STM-16 Bi-directional Regenerator http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/pcat/oc48__l2.htm but for gigeth in this case - we need to connect two sites about 200km apart over dark fiber thanks -- Tomas Daniska systems engineer Tronet Computer Networks Plynarenska 5, 829 75 Bratislava, Slovakia tel: +421 2 58224111, fax: +421 2 58224199 A transistor protected by a fast-acting fuse will protect the fuse by blowing first.

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statistics.
by Micah 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

I am looking for a ballpark count concerning amount of current internet nodes. ( obviously not exact ) With data relevant to this year. Feel free to contact off-list. Thanks!!! /micah

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RE: Trying to find DNS control panel
by Mitchell, Dan 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Chris, I would recommend Webmin if you're looking for a straight-forward *NIX-based control panel -- very easy to use, and you can limit access to other Webmin features through account permissions. They're at http://webmin.com. I believe Tzolkin makes a nice one as well, but it's a commercial product/service. They're the same folks who do dynamic DNS and a really cool DNS-based autofailover product. They're at http://www.tzo.com. Thanks, Dan Dan Mitchell Internet Systems Engineer - Boston AllegianceInternet / Hosting.com 781.478.1857 Direct Line dan.mitchell(a)hosting.com -----Original Message----- From: Christopher J. Wolff [mailto:chris@bblabs.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:50 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Trying to find DNS control panel Greetings, Several weeks ago I stumbled across a web-based BIND control panel freeware I was looking to use on a project...it had a quasi-arabic name like "Dubai" or something similar but it seemed quite powerful...If anyone has seen this critter, could you please refresh my memory on what it is called? Thanks in advance for any help... Regards, Christopher J. Wolff, VP CIO Broadband Laboratories http://www.bblabs.com

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Cybersecurity Final Exam
by Sean Donelan 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

If these questions are answered incorrectly, it could impact your operations. 53 Questions for Developing the National Strategy to Secure Cyberspace http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/53ques.html 1.2. Assistance: What can be done to make it easier for home users and small businesses to safe guard their systems? Should internet service providers (ISPs) perform more of the cybersecurity functions for the home user and small business? 1.3. Disclosure: What disclosure of risk should ISPs, software vendors, and hardware vendors make to home users and small businesses? 3.A.5. Connecting Critical Functions to the Internet: How should we best address the security risks arising from critical Federal functions being performed on networks that have routers and other systems vulnerable to denial of service and other cyber attacks from the internet? 3.B.6. Connecting Critical Functions to the Internet: Are there sectors that perform critical functions which could achieve greater security and reliability by operating networks unconnected to the internet and other public switch, open systems? 4.3. Securing the Mechanics of the Internet: Can the traffic control systems of the internet (Domain Name Servers, Border Gateway Protocols) be made more secure? Can routers be made more secure by separating control functions from the general traffic channel? How can major denial of service attacks be mitigated? What problems arise in deploying more secure systems, how should they be overcome, and how should such improvements be funded?

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Trying to find DNS control panel
by Christopher J. Wolff 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

Greetings, Several weeks ago I stumbled across a web-based BIND control panel freeware I was looking to use on a project...it had a quasi-arabic name like "Dubai" or something similar but it seemed quite powerful...If anyone has seen this critter, could you please refresh my memory on what it is called? Thanks in advance for any help... Regards, Christopher J. Wolff, VP CIO Broadband Laboratories http://www.bblabs.com

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Re: NANOG25 - MRTG Stats for Hotel Network
by Scott Weeks 12 Jun '02

12 Jun '02

SL = Simon Lockhart ES = Etaoin Shrdlu SH = Susan Harris SL> If the issue is with meeting messages being on the main NANOG list, SL> can I suggest setting up a seperate mailing list for NANOG meeting SL> attendees, where non-operational content can be posted? ES> I hope not. I imagine that one of the niceties for those not attending ES> is listening in on the exchanges. At least someone's having a good ES> time. SH> That was indeed the issue, and a separate list is a great idea. I would like to vote for ES's point of view. I am not able to attend the meetings and I really like to see the change in conversation modes when meetings are going on. At least, if there is a different list for content from meetings let any of us sign up for the emails rather than just allowing meeting attendees only. Thanks, scott

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