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MUA/PGP/MIME
by Sameer R. Manek 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

This conversation has minimal if any operational content, since the user base of nanog uses a wide variety of mailers on an equally wide range of OS's, it makes sense to use something viewable on all systems. Which seems to be ASCII. If anyone has anything new to add to this discussion, please send it via private email, and off the list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sameer R. Manek Email: manek(a)ghur.net "What one has not experienced, one will never understand in print." --Isadora Duncan -------------------------------------------------------------------------

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HP Openview
by Eric Whitehill 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

NANOG: I am curious if anyone has been working with HP Openview as an NMS. I've been looking at it (Specifically the service call portion) and so far, have not been impressed - I'm just not seeing the feature set I would expect. Am I just being stubborn and not seeing the advantages of this? >From my understanding the full HP Openview is in beta, but I'm not sure. I've done some researching on HP's website, and I can't seem to really find any relevant data. One of the large sticking points is I am trying to find a *nix based client, specifically one I can get working on Solaris, and so far, I'm having a difficut time tracking one down. Am I wasteing my time with HP Openview? If you are using it, are you pleased? Should I accept fate and life and eat chicken for supper tonight? Any advise and suggestions are welcomed. -Eric

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Don't forget digest readers
by Simon Waters 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

Leo wrote; > > Equally, while I don't like the practice, if you haven't configured > your mailer to show you text/plain over text/html (assuming you > dislike html mail) in a multipart/alternative message then you're > also behind the times. Don't complain about HTML mail when someone > is also sending you text, just because you're too backwards to > display it. As someone who picks up the list in digest format, and with all the wonderful email threads, including this one, who can blame me, it would be nice to lose the HTML mail. Of course in digest format the PGP sigs are no problem. The failure to clip unneeded text, including frequently whole messages ala OEs 'out of the box' quoting style, would get many Nanog poster flamed in another forum. It is probably best to treat mailing lists, much like Usenet text only group IMHO, and for much the same reasons. I think Leo's comment on MIME are appropriate for general email. I abandoned OE when I discovered the security settings for email didn't work - long ago fixed I'm sure, but when the gui and the functionality diverge in such an extreme fashion you lose all confidence in the software vendor.

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Maybe OT-Qwest DSL
by Christopher J. Wolff 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

Greetings. Whether or not this is the appropriate forum, I'm going to vent. So thank you for your patience. I just had a Qwest DSL tech tell me to go f--- myself. Unfortunately his buddies won't let me know who his management is. If anyone can refer me to contact information for the Qwest megacentral management team, I would greatly appreciate it. Regards, Christopher J. Wolff, VP CIO Broadband Laboratories http://www.bblabs.com

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Re: OT: Advice needed on dialup problems - TCP corruption? (windows users)
by Mathew Lodge 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

At 02:43 PM 7/10/2002 -0400, Jeffrey Wheat wrote: > I am seeing a strange problem on my network lately after adding a > new terminal server, a Lucent MAX TNT with madd modems in it. The > symptoms are that users can connect, they can ping and traceroute without > any trouble. Anything that is TCP based however is failing. In some > cases, disabling software compression fixes the problem for a short > period of time. I am not experienced enough with the MAX TNT units to > know how to debug the TCP packets as they come from the user. I am > running 10.0.0 TAOS on the unit. Can anyone please offer some advice or > suggestions? I am too young to go bald :) It sounds like Van-Jacobsen TCP header compression is broken in the TAOS software release you're running. That would explain why UDP traffic works just fine, but TCP does not, since VJ compression only compresses the TCP header. VJ header compression is a PPP negotiated option. Almost all dial-up clients try to negotiate it by default, but turning it off is problematic on the client (as you have discovered), and not feasible when you have thousands of clients. Remedies: 1) Find a version of TAOS where VJ compression is not broken 2) Although I have never done it on a TNT, you can usually configure a terminal server to refuse to negotiate VJ header compression. This would be a reasonable work-around until you can do (1). 3) Replace the TNT with a Cisco RAS. At the very least you get excellent debugging facilities for situations like these and a better connect success rate. Cheers, Mathew >

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OT: Advice needed on dialup problems - TCP corruption? (windows users)
by Jeffrey Wheat 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

Good day everyone, I am seeing a strange problem on my network lately after adding a new terminal server, a Lucent MAX TNT with madd modems in it. The symptoms are that users can connect, they can ping and traceroute without any trouble. Anything that is TCP based however is failing. In some cases, disabling software compression fixes the problem for a short period of time. I am not experienced enough with the MAX TNT units to know how to debug the TCP packets as they come from the user. I am running 10.0.0 TAOS on the unit. Can anyone please offer some advice or suggestions? I am too young to go bald :) Cheers, Jeffrey --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002

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Mail Software Used by ISPs
by Crist J. Clark 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

I am interested in information on what software small, medium, and large ISPs use for email services. When I refer to "email services" I mean SMTP, POP, IMAP, web mail interfaces, and the back-end administrative tools. Do many/most ISPs use big, expensive enterprise tools for this? Piece their own systems together using various commerical/free tools for the different parts? Or do they roll their own almost top to bottom? I have experience doing email for small and medium corporate sites (in the 100's of internal users), but the particular project I am working on is for customers, not internal users, and could quickly balloon from the few dozen on the current demonstration system to thousands. Any firsthand info or pointers to more information would be greatly appreciated. -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark(a)alum.mit.edu | cjclark(a)jhu.edu http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ | cjc(a)freebsd.org

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RE: OT - Importance of Content
by Owens, Shane (EPIK.ORL) 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

I agree, but as a regional player most large players won't peer with us anyway from my discussions with them. Maybe I'm just talking to the wrong people...:-) -----Original Message----- From: Joseph T. Klein [mailto:jtk@titania.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:00 PM To: Owens, Shane (EPIK.ORL); nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: OT - Importance of Content Careful. Unbalanced traffic can cause difficulties with peering. The eyeball heavy networks will tend to peer with you but a long list of large (route table) players will not. --On Wednesday, 10 July 2002 13:49 -0400 "Owens, Shane (EPIK.ORL)" <sowens(a)epik.net> wrote: > > I was wondering the importance of content to IP providers. Is it > feasible to go after a lot of hosting companies and such as a business > model and greatly skew your traffic ratios to hopefully reach a > critical mass. I would think at some point you would have so much > content that people would start to come to you for peering or to > purchase access to get to that content which would cause a reduction > in overall transit costs, but what would that critical mass be and how > valid is that thought? > > Opinions? > > Shane Owens > > > -- Joseph T. Klein jtk(a)titania.net "Why do you continue to use that old Usenet style signature?" -- anon

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transit
by Scott Granados 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

I'm not sure if there is a better list for this but I know this reaches some of the key audience members:). Could anyone interested who can offer transit at the E-xchange facility at 200 Paul in SF contact me privately. I'm looking for some transit for a new project. Thanks Scott

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Re: XO
by Pawlukiewicz Jane 10 Jul '02

10 Jul '02

lol! Maybe I should've tried their website. who'dathought! thanks for making me laugh. "Hoffman, Sandra" wrote: > > One could also just go to http://www.xo.com... ;) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Cooper [mailto:ian@the-coopers.org] > Sent: 10 July 2002 16:13 > To: Pawlukiewicz Jane > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: XO > > One assumes 888.699.6398 (customer care line for data services) isn't what > you're looking for? > > --On 10 July 2002 11:00 -0400 Pawlukiewicz Jane <pawlukiewicz_jane(a)bah.com> > wrote: > > > > > Anybody have a noc phone number for these guys? > > > > I can't seem to find anything on them publicly, except the usual hype. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > > > Jane > > This e-mail (and any attachments) contains information, which is > confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named > addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, > distribute or use it for any purpose or disclose the contents to any person. > If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately at > it(a)ntt.co.uk. The information contained in this e-mail (and any attachments) > is supplied in good faith, but the sender shall not be under any liability > in damages or otherwise for any reliance that may be placed upon it by the > recipient. Any comments or opinions expressed are those of the originator > not of NTT Europe Ltd unless otherwise expressly stated.

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