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Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks
by Clayton Zekelman 18 Mar '20

18 Mar '20

The Internet is not a telecommunications service, according to your FCC. If you want predictability, buy WAN circuits, not Internet circuits. If your provider is co-mingling Internet and WAN traffic (i.e. circuits with defined endpoints vs. public Internet or VPN), then you need to talk to them about their prioritization. If you have mission critical applications, put them on mission critical infrastructure, not the public Internet. Oh, that's right - Internet circuits are cheaper than WAN circuits. At 01:14 PM 14/03/2020, Mike Bolitho wrote: >Seems arbitrary. Â Lots of networks have lots >of Netflix/etc capacity.Â Who determines what >is "mission critical"?Â Our mission as an ISP >is to deliver Internet to our customers.Â If >they want to play online games or watch video, >who am I to say that isn't critical to THEIR mission?...Â >Â >...The last thing we need are a bunch of kids in >quarantine that have NOTHING to do because Mike >Bolitho thinks their entertainment isn't part of the "mission" of the Internet. > > >We already have that. It's called >Telecommunications Service Priority and this is the charge: > >Telecommunications Service Priority (TSP) is a >program that authorizes national security and >emergency preparedness (NS/EP) organizations to >receive priority treatment for vital voice and >data circuits or other telecommunications services. > > >I work for a hospital, we ran into some issues >last week due to congestion that was totally >outside of our control that was off of our WAN >(Thanks Call Of Duty). Now, the issue we ran >into was not mission critical at the time but it >was still disruptive. As more and more people >are driven home during this time, more and more >people will be using bandwidth intensive >streaming and online gaming products. If more >and more TSP coded entities are running into >issues, ISPs, IXPs, and CDNs will be forced to act. > >For more information: > ><https://www.cisa.gov/telecommunications-service-priority-tsp>https://www.cisa.gov/telecommunications-service-priority-tspÂ > > >https://www.fcc.gov/general/telecommunications-service-priority > ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Service_Priority>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Service_PriorityÂ > >Â >These views are my own and do not reflect the >opinions or official stances of my employer etc etc. > >- Mike Bolitho > > >On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 9:27 AM Clayton Zekelman ><<mailto:clayton@mnsi.net>clayton(a)mnsi.net> wrote: >Seems arbitrary.Â Â Lots of networks have lots >of Netflix/etc capacity.Â Who determines what >is "mission critical"?Â Our mission as an ISP >is to deliver Internet to our customers.Â If >they want to play online games or watch video, >who am I to say that isn't critical to THEIR mission? >The last thing we need are a bunch of kids in >quarantine that have NOTHING to do because Mike >Bolitho thinks their entertainment isn't part of the "mission" of the Internet. >About the only thing that might be useful is >something to smooth out the big jumps in >utilization on game releases - but even that is >something that can be managed by adding capacity. >To quote Jay Leno - Crunch All You Want, We'll Make More. >At 12:16 PM 14/03/2020, Mike Bolitho wrote: >>Basically that. It's probably more streaming >>services that could crowd out what would be >>considered "mission critical" infrastructure. >>Maybe the Netflixs and HulusÃ of the world >>will limit 4K streaming or something along >>those lines. Basically cap resolution to 720p for the time being. >>- Mike Bolitho >>On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 1:06 AM Hugo Slabbert >><<mailto:hugo@slabnet.com>hugo(a)slabnet.com> wrote: >> >Ã The impact of all these bored school kids >> on the networks due to gaming might cause some >> issues. I know that if I'm working from home >> and my videoconferencing slows down because of >> someones gaming, I'm taking the necessary >> action (read, change some rules on my firewall).Ã >>People are welcome to do whatever they want on >>their own networks. I just didn't get the >>suggestion that online gaming services would >>shut down. Or were you saying, Mike, that >>online gaming would crowd out other services >>and so "shut down" those other services? >>On Fri., Mar. 13, 2020, 21:42 Owen DeLong >><<mailto:owen@delong.com>owen(a)delong.com> wrote: >>You donÃ¢t have kids, do you >>br> >>They have the attention span off Koi these >>days. TheyÃ¢â¬ll play most games for about 15 >>minutes or so before downloading the next one. >>(At least thatÃ¢s been my observation of >>behavior among mg my GFÃ¢s daughter r and her friends). >>Owen >> >> >>>On Mar 13, 2020, at 20:31 , Darin Steffl >>><<mailto:darin.steffl@mnwifi.com>darin.steffl(a)mnwifi.com > wrote: >>>Playing games doesn't take much bandwidth. >>>Downloading games does. So as long as everyone >>>already has their games and there's no >>>updates, playing the game is typically under >>>100 kbps which is negligible compared to >>>streaming video which takes 1 to 25 mbps.Ã >>>On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, 8:52 PM Sabri Berisha >>><<mailto:sabri@cluecentral.net>sabri(a)cluecentral.net> wrote: >>>Hi, >>>I don't know where y'all live, but here in the >>>SF Bay Area, pretty much all public and >>>private schools have closed down. My school >>>district (in Santa Clara County) will be closed until Spring Break. >>>The impact of all these bored school kids on >>>the networks due to gaming might cause some >>>issues. I know that if I'm working from home >>>and my videoconferencing slows down because of >>>someones gaming, I'm taking the necessary >>>action (read, change some rules on my firewall).Ã >>>Thanks, >>>Sabri >>>----- On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Hugo >>>Slabbert <<mailto:hugo@slabnet.com>hugo(a)slabnet.com> wrote: >>>I think under circumstances like this, I could >>>definitely see some of the online based games shutting services down. >>> >>>Ã >>>How so? >>>Signed, >>>Someone who works for an online gaming company >>>and has heard nothing of this. >>>--Ã >>>Hugo SlabbertÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ Ã | email, >>>xmpp/jabber: <mailto:hugo@slabnet.com>hugo(a)slabnet.com >>>pgp key: B178313EÃÂ Ã | also on Signal >>>On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:52 PM Mike Bolitho >>><<mailto:mikebolitho@gmail.com>mikebolitho(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>I think under circumstances like this, I could >>>definitely see some of the online based games shutting services down. >>>- Mike Bolitho >>>On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:41 PM Ahmed Borno >>><<mailto:amaged@gmail.com>amaged(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>Its already happening in Italy, and now that >>>schools are shutting down here as well, its going to get interesting:Ã >>><https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/housebound-italian-kids-…>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-12/housebound-italian-kids-… >>> >>>The ultimate traffic test is coming, looking >>>forward to hearing about it on this thread. >>>Maybe its a good time to start a communication >>>channel between content providers/gaming companies and ISPs/CDNs. >>>On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:22 AM Rubens Kuhl >>><<mailto:rubensk@gmail.com>rubensk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:46 PM >>><mailto:g@1337.io>g(a)1337.io <<mailto:lists@1337.io>lists(a)1337.io> wrote: >>>With talk of there being an involuntary >>>statewide (WA) and then national quarantines >>>(house arrest) for multiple weeks, has anyone >>>put thought into the impacts of this on your >>>networks if/when this comes to fruition? >>>We're already pushing the limits with >>>telecommuters / those that are WFH, but I can >>>only imagine what things will look like with >>>everyone stuck at home for any duration of time. >>> >>> >>>People will turn to you and every other ISP >>>hoping you keep them online. So besides demand >>>issues, keeping your network up will be important to a whole lot of people.Ã >>>Rubens >>>Ã >-- > >Clayton Zekelman >Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) >3363 Tecumseh Rd. E >Windsor, Ontario >N8W 1H4 > >tel. 519-985-8410 >fax. 519-985-8409Â Â Â Â Â Â Â -- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E Windsor, Ontario N8W 1H4 tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409

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WIKI documentation Software?
by Craig 18 Mar '20

18 Mar '20

Wanted to ask what WIKI software teams are using to save documentation to / how to's for staff, etc. pro's con's We have an older wiki bare-metal wiki server, that I want to get replaced before it kicks the bucket and was looking into various ones. thanks; CPV

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GTT Contact
by Brandon Wade 18 Mar '20

18 Mar '20

We're facing an issue we've been trying to resolve with GTT, but are unable to get them to respond beyond opening a ticket regarding this issue. What is going on is GTT has two maintenance windows, the first tonight with the backup window tomorrow night. Our issue is our other carrier is also performing maintenance tonight, and if they're both performing maintenance during the same time windows, we'll be left without connectivity. Is there anyone from GTT on this list that could get in touch with the appropriate team to request they utilize their backup window instead? Brandon WadeiCastCenter

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Fwd: [arin-announce] ARIN 45 Moving to Virtual Meeting Format
by John Curran 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

FYI - ARIN 45 will be done via remote participation only. /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers Begin forwarded message: From: ARIN <info(a)arin.net<mailto:info@arin.net>> Subject: [arin-announce] ARIN 45 Moving to Virtual Meeting Format Date: 17 March 2020 at 5:03:09 PM EDT To: <arin-announce(a)arin.net<mailto:arin-announce@arin.net>> In light of the current circumstances related to the rapidly evolving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) outbreak and guidance from Federal and state governments, the ARIN 45 Public Policy and Members Meeting will no longer have an in-person component as originally scheduled to take place in Louisville, Kentucky. We have been closely monitoring the latest news and guidance related to the COVID-19 outbreak from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the World Health Organization (WHO), and local health departments. Following the most recent guidance from the CDC, we must prioritize the health of our ARIN community members and their families, and thus, the ARIN 45 Public Policy and Members Meeting will now proceed entirely as an online-only meeting for all participants. We ask that all participants please save the original dates of Monday, 27 April and Tuesday, 28 April while we review our normal policy discussions and related meeting programming to select material to be added to the agenda. We will be publishing the agenda and how to participate in the near future. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience, and thank you for your understanding. If you have any further questions, please reach out to meetings(a)arin.net<mailto:meetings@arin.net>. Regards, John Curran, President and CEO Paul Andersen, Chair of the ARIN Board of Trustees American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) _______________________________________________ ARIN-Announce You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce(a)arin.net<mailto:ARIN-announce@arin.net>). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce Please contact info(a)arin.net if you experience any issues.

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Need help removing a old/outdated/incorrect proxy route object
by Sadiq Saif 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

Hi all, I am looking for help with removal of a old/outdated/incorrect proxy route object for one of my prefixes, 192.195.251.0/24. The object in question: route: 192.195.251.0/24 descr: Proxy-registered route object origin: AS135091 remarks: This is a HGC customer route-object remarks: which is being exported under this origin AS. remarks: remarks: This route object was created because no existing remarks: route object with the same origin was found. remarks: remarks: Please contact radb(a)hutchcity.com if you have any remarks: questions regarding this object. notify: radb(a)hutchcity.com mnt-by: MAINT-AS9304 changed: radb(a)hutchcity.com 20171209 source: NTTCOM I reached out to the address on file already but the mail server there is not reachable. Additionally I have no recollection of ever having used services from any of the AS mentioned. The correct and only origin for that should be AS393949 as is in the ARIN IRR route object and also the ROA. Can somebody help me with this? Thanks in advance. -- Sadiq Saif/AS393949 https://sadiqsaif.com/

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DDoS Attacks targeting VPN/IPSEC endpoints
by Dennis B 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

Any one else seeing this? Hearing some isolated events across different industry segments. If you are, can you provide any TTPs?

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AT&T is suspending broadband data caps for home internet customers due to coronavirus
by Sean Donelan 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

The first data cap waiver I've seen due to coronavirus. I expect other ISPs to quickly follow. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/v74qzb/atandt-suspends-broadband-usage-c… AT&T is the first major ISP to confirm that it will be suspending all broadband usage caps as millions of Americans bunker down in a bid to slow the rate of COVID-19 expansion. Consumer groups and a coalition of Senators are now pressuring other ISPs to follow suit.

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Power outage LA 600 W 7th - TELX
by A. Pishdadi 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

Greetings, We got an email last night after some alerts from monitoring system. Power on the B UPS feed has been offline till this second and going. Apparently they can not bypass UPS and put the load on the generator. Which is crazy in itself being that it's a data center.. Luckily we have everything on redundant power. Does anyone from DRT or Telx subscribe here that can look into this more for me? Message me off list if possible. Thanks AP

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Re: COVID-19 vs. our Networks
by Scott Weeks 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

--- alexandre.petrescu(a)gmail.com wrote: From: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu(a)gmail.com> That map does not show Texas, as far as I know America (USA) geography. ----------------------------------------------- <Texas is part of the US?> Being raised in Texas in a family that've been there for a buncha generations, I know that at least some folks there would challange that... :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_secession_movements It was a nation unto itself for over decade: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas Many old timers are a pretty independent type of people. scott ps. traffic is still normal here

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backtracking forged packets?
by William Herrin 17 Mar '20

17 Mar '20

Howdy, Can anyone suggest tools, techniques and helpful contacts for backtracking spoofed packets? At the moment someone is forging TCP syns from my address block. I'm getting the syn/ack and icmp unreachable backscatter. Enough that my service provider briefly classified it a DDOS. I'd love to find the culprit. Thanks, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin bill(a)herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/

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