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RE: i'd like to know your opinions on the com/net wildcard issue
by Pete Templin 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

That suggests that it's an ASL (Analog Subscriber Line)... Pete Templin Senior Staff Engineer TexLink Communications (210) 892-4183 pete.templin(a)texlink.com -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Dunn [mailto:bradley@dunn.org] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:05 PM To: Christopher X. Candreva; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: i'd like to know your opinions on the com/net wildcard issue Christopher X. Candreva wrote: > I've seen this in the press repeatedly and it drives me almost as nuts as > having to call DSL access hardware a modem. What's wrong with calling it a modem? It MOdulates and DEModulates between a digital bitstream and an analog signal. Bradley

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RE: Extreme BlackDiamond
by Michel Py 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

>> swmike(a)swm.pp.se wrote: >> Yes, GSRs are better at routing but they lack L2 capability and it's a >> very expensive (and lousy unless you have Engine3 cards) GE plattform. > Steinar Haug > On the other hand, 6500s can do both L2 and L3 rather well, including > BGP. Aren't most of the 6500 blades the same as the 7600 ones anyway? Between these two IMHO we are looking at a blurry distinction between a router with very good switching capabilities and a L3 switch with very good routing capabilities. Michel.

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RE: Extreme BlackDiamond
by Shazad - eServers 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

You know what, go and fuck yourself you little whore.. Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any more questions. Best Regards, Shazad eServers - driving the "e" into your business. -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] Sent: 13 October 2003 16:12 To: Shazad - eServers Subject: RE: Extreme BlackDiamond > From: "Shazad - eServers" <shazad(a)eservers.biz> > To: "'Randy Bush'" <randy(a)psg.com> > Cc: <nanog(a)merit.edu> > ... > Thank you very much for your feedback, I really appreciate all the comments > I am receiving. > Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any more questions. thanks for publishing my private message, you dumb fuck randy

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RE: Extreme BlackDiamond
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

>You know what, go and fuck yourself you little whore.. >Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any more questions. >Best Regards, >Shazad >eServers - driving the "e" into your business. This is the second time recently that a member of this list has dragged their own personal disputes onto the list. I don't particularly like this and I would be happy to see the list owner come down hard on the perp. Banishment? This seems to be a lot worse than the usual annoying off-topic threads.

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RE: Extreme BlackDiamond
by Michel Py 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

> Shazad wrote: > I did it accidentally BUT quoted him, he literally bounced my > message as If I had sent it to NANOG. Check your headers and > you will find out, I never sent that message to NANOG. Indeed. Although you did screw up by quoting his first private message, it does appear to me like it was an honest mistake given the contents. Thereafter, everyone can see the way Randy Bush operates: no balls to stand behind his comments, the first to use bad words and then the deception on the mailing list. Welcome to the club. Michel.

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Re: Extreme BlackDiamond
by sthaug＠nethelp.no 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

> Yes, GSRs are better at routing but they lack L2 capability and it's a > very expensive (and lousy unless you have Engine3 cards) GE plattform. On the other hand, 6500s can do both L2 and L3 rather well, including BGP. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug(a)nethelp.no

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Frustrating loss of connectivity...
by Robert A. Hayden 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Hey all, I apologize for posting this here, especially for what is essentially an end-user broadband issue, but I'm looking at what appears to be a link a few hops upstream from me that has been flapping frequently and I can't get our provider to look into it. I am located in Madison, WI, and I have my mail/server machine geek.net co-located in Minneapolis on a business-class DSL line (1.5m/384k). For the past couple of months, I'll lose connectivity for about 5 minutes several times a day. We attempted to open a case with the DSL provider (covad), but they were only interested in addressing last-mile issues and we got nowhere. Same applied when addressing it from my broadband end, since the disconnect is 3 providers upstream. In any case, any thoughts on where I should go with this? I could try Level3, but I suspect they'll blow me off since I'm not a direct customer. It's getting quite frustrating as I'm trying to move a few hundred mb back and forth over the VPN and with that one link flapping it's become almost impossible. Traceroute examples included below. I left real IPs here since they are all easily determined anyways: ------ TRACE #1: From my home connection to Geek.NET when it's BROKEN, note where it breaks. C:\>tracert 66.166.71.243 Tracing route to geek.net [66.166.71.243] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 24 ms 10 ms 29 ms 10.44.64.1 2 11 ms 10 ms 11 ms 172.18.98.98 3 19 ms 22 ms 43 ms 172.18.97.58 4 16 ms 14 ms 15 ms 12.125.143.113 5 58 ms 34 ms 47 ms gbr2-a90s19.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.5.78] 6 16 ms 17 ms 16 ms tbr1-p013602.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.11.37] 7 31 ms 28 ms 14 ms ggr2-p310.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.6.65] 8 16 ms 105 ms 16 ms so-1-1-0.edge1.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.0.227.77] 9 21 ms 21 ms 33 ms so-2-1-0.bbr2.Chicago1.level3.net [209.244.8.13] 10 32 ms 19 ms 14 ms pos9-0.core1.Chicago1.level3.net [209.247.10.170] 11 20 ms 31 ms 48 ms gige6-2.ipcolo2.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.244.8.30] 12 64 ms 29 ms 36 ms unknown.Level3.net [209.247.226.26] 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * * * Request timed out. .. 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. ---------------------------------- TRACE #2: Same trace, but this time when it's working. C:\>tracert 66.166.71.243 Tracing route to geek.net [66.166.71.243] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 21 ms 16 ms 15 ms 10.44.64.1 2 10 ms 22 ms 11 ms 172.18.98.98 3 10 ms 15 ms 11 ms 172.18.97.58 4 13 ms 37 ms 14 ms 12.125.143.113 5 15 ms 18 ms 18 ms gbr2-a90s19.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.5.78] 6 26 ms 15 ms 19 ms tbr1-p013602.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.122.11.37] 7 36 ms 39 ms 14 ms ggr2-p310.cgcil.ip.att.net [12.123.6.65] 8 34 ms 14 ms 37 ms so-1-1-0.edge1.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.0.227.77] 9 17 ms 14 ms 14 ms so-2-1-0.bbr2.Chicago1.level3.net [209.244.8.13] 10 17 ms 13 ms 14 ms pos9-0.core1.Chicago1.level3.net [209.247.10.170] 11 18 ms 15 ms 16 ms gige6-2.ipcolo2.Chicago1.Level3.net [209.244.8.30] 12 24 ms 27 ms 25 ms unknown.Level3.net [209.247.226.26] 13 30 ms 17 ms 23 ms 192.168.5.66 14 49 ms 52 ms 102 ms 172.18.57.242 15 91 ms 40 ms 39 ms geek.net [66.166.71.243] Trace complete. ------------------- Trace #3: Final trace, from Geek.NET back to my home broadband host (my home IP changed to 10.0.0.1 for this example). traceroute to 10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 r-66-166-71-241.CHCGILGM.covad.net (66.166.71.241) 1.050 ms 0.938 ms 0.891 ms 2 172.31.255.253 (172.31.255.253) 24.068 ms 26.558 ms 26.169 ms 3 192.168.5.65 (192.168.5.65) 22.466 ms 23.301 ms 22.528 ms 4 gigabitethernet8-0-131.ipcolo1.Chicago1.Level3.net (209.247.34.177) 23.638 ms 23.263 ms 22.539 ms 5 gige5-1.core1.Chicago1.Level3.net (209.244.8.17) 22.243 ms 23.256 ms 22.528 ms 6 so-4-0-0.bbr2.Chicago1.level3.net (209.247.10.169) 22.883 ms 22.522 ms 21.514 ms 7 so-7-0-0.edge1.Chicago1.Level3.net (209.244.8.14) 23.624 ms 23.530 ms 23.884 ms 8 att-Level3-oc48.Chicago1.Level3.net (209.0.227.78) 23.853 ms 22.426 ms 23.137 ms 9 tbr2-p014001.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.123.6.70) 25.277 ms 25.311 ms 23.857 ms 10 gbr6-p20.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.11.62) 24.244 ms 23.695 ms 24.001 ms 11 gar2-p370.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.123.5.221) 23.892 ms 23.012 ms 23.858 ms 12 12.125.142.122 (12.125.142.122) 27.939 ms 27.272 ms 28.703 ms 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 10.0.0.1 (10.0.0.1) 40.235 ms 39.292 ms 38.271 ms ------- Any thoughts or recommendations here? - Robert

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NANOG and Pre NANOG social Events
by Malayter, Christopher 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Hello Everyone, Social Events are as follows: Saturday Night: House of Blues for a concert featuring Soulive with Me'Shell Ndegeocello http://www.hob.com/tickets/eventdetail.asp?eventid=22654 The doors open at 7:30, so we'll meet in the Hotel Lobby at 6:30pm and either cab or walk over together depending on the weather. I urge you to get your tickets ahead of time. After the show we have a few bars in mind to head to that we'll take a poll of those that are at the show to see what everyone is looking for! If you don't want to go to the show, but still want to drink with a few Wisconsinites, drop me your cell number and I will call you to let you know where we are going. I would anticipate the show being over between 10:30 and 11pm. Sunday Night: Navy Pier IMAX runs shows of the Matrix Reloaded every night at 8:15pm. We will meet in the lobby of the Hotel at 5:00 for dinner. Dinner will be at Gino's East for some authentic Chicago style pizza. If you don't like the thick crust, don't worry they have thin! http://featuredfoods.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.exe/a-store/c-GinoAns_East.shtml ?E+scstore+ginos The location is at Wells and Ontario. Then, for those of you who might want to duck out of the evening tutorial, we'll meet in the hotel lobby at 7pm and head to Navy Pier to catch the 8:15 showing of the Matrix Reloaded!! Again, I urge you to get your tickets ahead of time. http://www.imax.com/chicago/ After the show, we'll meet at Bubba Gumps Shrimp Company to gather the company and head out on the town. If you're worried about not finding a few fellow network geeks at a bar, just drop me your cell number and I'll be sure to announce our arrival at the Shrimp Company! http://www.bubbagump.com/html/chicago.html If you have any questions, comments, suggestions. Please let me know ASAP. Thanks to everyone for their overwhelming support and interest in doing social events!!! Also, thanks to many people for their suggestions! Chris Malayter chris.malayter(a)tdstelecom.com TDS Telecom

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Extreme BlackDiamond
by Shazad - eServers 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

How are these for CORE SWITCHES (distribution) compared to BigIron and the CISCO 6509? >From what I have heard and reports they are very solid switches. Thanks in advance -Shazzy

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RE: Extreme BlackDiamond
by Shazad - eServers 13 Oct '03

13 Oct '03

Matt, Yes we are that is correct. We will be offering COLO and dedicated hosting and need some serious horse-power. Right now, we are set on this..,. ROUTER : 2 * Juniper M40's, these will be connected from day one to darkfibre. DISTRID : 2 * Extreme BlackDiamonds with redundant routing engines. (highly considering the BigIrons) AGGREG : These would be a mix of Extreme Alpines/BigIron4000 - 8000/Summit 48i's depending on whether we are offering colo, ded-hosting, managed services etc... ACCESS : Extreme Summit 24e3 or Foundry series. Please don't hesitate to contact us if you have any more questions. Best Regards, Shazad eServers - driving the "e" into your business. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Sweet [mailto:msweet@deadnet.net] Sent: 13 October 2003 15:43 To: Shazad - eServers Subject: RE: Extreme BlackDiamond Shazad, Are you going to do colocation or something like metro-area ethernet access services to office / colo buildings? The reason I am asking this is a company called Yipes (yipes.com) uses a similiar setup: Black Diamond for high-density switching and Juniper M20/40s for the routing services. I cannot say anything for the Black Diamond, except Yipes uses them. I am using Alpine 3808s and Summit 48sis, along with Juniper M10 routers at my datacenter. The Alpine switching have alot of nice features on them. If you are doing dedicated server/colocation, I would assume you need a higher density than I am needing. Anyways, just wanted to put my $.02 in. Matt

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