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Don't email clients have a kill file?
by Bjørn Mork 15 May '20

15 May '20

At the risk of starting an off topic discussion here, but am I the only one who'd like to see more plonks and less troll feeding? I miss Usenet. Bjørn

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Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Terrence Koeman 15 May '20

15 May '20

Yes... and? If you cannot answer the questions posed, why reply at all? I wrote a 100% serious reply to your argument, but you simply fail to engage and write something cryptic that has no bearing on the subject (I guess to mask that you simply don't understand it). This is the third time you're doing this (to me at least) and I'm forced to conclude that you're not just willfully ignorant, but purposefully malicious. Basically a paranoid concern troll with a persecution complex to boot. I'll route your emails to /dev/null from now on. Apologies to the rest on the list for not doing this earlier. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 20:19 To: Terrence Koeman; Owen DeLong Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > "damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom" - You are really good. > > > ________________________________ > From: Terrence Koeman > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:55 PM > To: Elad Cohen; Owen DeLong > Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > > "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." > > > The questions are: damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom (& who is going to make them)? If it were a simple case of weighing the aggregate costs of attacks against the aggregate costs of implementation of mitigation, then we would have seen universal implementation of BCP38[1] two decades ago. > > > Unfortunately, we don't live in a child's mind where things are simple. In reality the parties incurring the costs of attacks are not the same as those that aren't implementing the solutions to prevent them from occurring. > > > If your neighbor has a credit card debt of $20k on which he's paying 18% interest, and you have savings of $20k on which you are receiving 2% interest, then with your logic you should immediately pay off your neighbors' debt, because that'd be cheaper for you both, collectively. > > > But of obviously you wouldn't do this, because you're NOT a collective (your neighbors' wallet/bank account and yours are not the same) and thus you both need to be considered separately. You don't need a degree in economics to realise this, just a shred of common sense suffices. > > > If every network configured their own equipment as well as they wish others would, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Fact is, they won't. And getting someone that has already spent time and/or money on configuring their own equipment correctly to pay for the privilege of not getting attacked by the equipment of someone else that is either too lazy or cheap to do so is going to be a tall order. > > > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38 > > -- > Regards, > Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy > Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. > > Please quote relevant replies. > Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. > ________________________________ > From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:12 > To: Owen DeLong > Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group > Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > > Me: > "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." > > Toma: > > A degree in economics is not needed [..] > "Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it." > > You: > "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds" > > > You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile. > ________________________________ > From: Owen DeLong <owen(a)delong.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM > To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com>; Shane Ronan <shane(a)ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your hair-brained schemes. > > Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of bigotry and hatred. > > Just a thought. > > Owen > > On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> wrote: > > > You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. > ________________________________ > From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM > To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Cc: Shane Ronan <shane(a)ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > Peace, > > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> wrote: > > A degree in economics is not needed [..] > > Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. > > I think, dixi. > > -- > Töma

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Where to send your concerns and how to keep our community welcoming
by Edward McNair 14 May '20

14 May '20

NANOG strives to create a welcoming environment for all. If you are concerned that someone has violated our usage guidelines or code of conduct, please contact admins(a)nanog.org <mailto:admins@nanog.org>. We recently updated our guidance for consistency (there are a few we are still working on). Members of this list know more about what other engineers want to read than our staff, so please support our community approach to moderation by using common sense before posting. Complaints about previous code of conduct violations were addressed in reports from other community members. Those individuals who sent reports were given confirmation that their concerns were reviewed, and that action was taken per NANOG guidelines (warning, moderation, bans). Similar measures were taken this week. Airing grievances on the mailing list is not productive. The NANOG staff cannot discuss individual community members on a mailing list with tens of thousands of members. So you will not receive any confirmation for such reports. Also, it's not appropriate content per the mailing-list usage guidelines: "The Mailing List is not an appropriate platform to resolve personal issues, engage in disputes, or file complaints." Please think before you type and contact us to identify off-topic posts early so warnings can be sent to those who violate NANOG's policies. Please contact admins(a)nanog.org <mailto:admins@nanog.org>, if you believe that a specific post should be removed from the archives. Offensive, illegal, or copyright content can be removed, but there is a higher bar to clear as we strive to maintain a historical record of our community's discussions. Congratulations to RIPE <https://www.ripe.net/> for an impressive online RIPE 80 meeting <https://ripe80.ripe.net/archives/>! NANOG prides itself on welcoming everyone, so it encourages discussions of global issues. Still, I sincerely hope that our open discussion list does not distract from the impressive work of their program committee, staff, and working groups who put on such an incredible event. If you haven't yet, please take a look at the content from the RIPE meeting <https://ripe80.ripe.net/archives/> and perhaps send your highlights to the nanog mailing list <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>. Edward McNair Executive Director

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The NANOG 2019 Annual Report Is Now LIVE
by NANOG Marketing 14 May '20

14 May '20

*The Future of the Internet Is in Our Hands * We made significant progress in 2019 in service of supporting our community as they continue to build the Internet of tomorrow. Through our first-ever annual report, we hope to provide even greater insight and transparency into our achievements and operations over the past year. “With the support of our generous volunteers and the tireless work of our staff, NANOG enjoyed one of its most productive years ever,” says Edward McNair, NANOG Executive Director. “In 2019, we launched our new website, modernized our visual identity and brand voice, introduced a new badging system to improve the user experience at conferences, and expanded the program by securing keynote speakers well in advance of each meeting.” Many thanks to everyone who helped us along the way! *Read the Report <https://www.nanog.org/resources/annual-report/>*

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RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Ronald F. Guilmette 14 May '20

14 May '20

Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE. Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats. I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.) Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you be the judge. In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a number of additional startling facts relating to the people who nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen: https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-… I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, IMHO. Regards, rfg P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate regularity, obtain it. I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else. P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, are now entirely off-limits. I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, not too long ago: "Democracy dies in darkness." -- anon

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Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Elad Cohen 14 May '20

14 May '20

"damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom" - You are really good. ________________________________ From: Terrence Koeman Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:55 PM To: Elad Cohen; Owen DeLong Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." The questions are: damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom (& who is going to make them)? If it were a simple case of weighing the aggregate costs of attacks against the aggregate costs of implementation of mitigation, then we would have seen universal implementation of BCP38[1] two decades ago. Unfortunately, we don't live in a child's mind where things are simple. In reality the parties incurring the costs of attacks are not the same as those that aren't implementing the solutions to prevent them from occurring. If your neighbor has a credit card debt of $20k on which he's paying 18% interest, and you have savings of $20k on which you are receiving 2% interest, then with your logic you should immediately pay off your neighbors' debt, because that'd be cheaper for you both, collectively. But of obviously you wouldn't do this, because you're NOT a collective (your neighbors' wallet/bank account and yours are not the same) and thus you both need to be considered separately. You don't need a degree in economics to realise this, just a shred of common sense suffices. If every network configured their own equipment as well as they wish others would, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Fact is, they won't. And getting someone that has already spent time and/or money on configuring their own equipment correctly to pay for the privilege of not getting attacked by the equipment of someone else that is either too lazy or cheap to do so is going to be a tall order. [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38 -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:12 To: Owen DeLong Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Me: "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." Toma: > A degree in economics is not needed [..] "Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it." You: "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds" You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile. ________________________________ From: Owen DeLong <owen(a)delong.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com>; Shane Ronan <shane(a)ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog(a)nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your hair-brained schemes. Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of bigotry and hatred. Just a thought. Owen On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> wrote: You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. ________________________________ From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Cc: Shane Ronan <shane(a)ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog(a)nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Peace, On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> wrote: > A degree in economics is not needed [..] Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. I think, dixi. -- Töma

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Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Elad Cohen 14 May '20

14 May '20

Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts. ________________________________ From: NANOG on behalf of Terrence Koeman Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:54 PM To: David Hubbard; nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election If you thought IPv4+ was entertaining, check out his "solution" to packet spoofing: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.h… And SPAM: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.h… These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :) This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a tower there). Ref: [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_… -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: David Hubbard <dhubbard(a)dino.hostasaurus.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with ‘software updates’ too… From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com>, "nanog(a)nanog.org" <nanog(a)nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Hello Everyone, My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Vio… They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". ---- and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block ---- This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly. ---- "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" ---- Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn). The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition. That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from it, for example: - Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors of Open-Xchange. - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com) Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project": "Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/) "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas (https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/) "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/) "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange (https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/) "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/) Among others. Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project": ThreatSTOP FarSight Security Fastly Dyn Cymru Abusix Among others. Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly written: "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report." But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written only for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal "cyber influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The article was written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob and then Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The Spamhaus Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" without a single proof. Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just their front clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here without a single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous organization "The Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple single question - "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us a single proof then please stop spamming the mailing list". Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing: "less than honorable intent reach for power" "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else" "Democracy dies in darkness." When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the whole Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be elected: IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software updates and not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - home routers and home modems which are the vast majority of routing equipment in the world - will not need to be updated and will support more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ ) https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.h… Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project") https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.h… Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and spoofed ip traffic with is a source for criminality: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.h… They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and any other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to make sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing which is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - will have no footprint in RIPE. My full agenda can be read here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bi… Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I will be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many organizations and many businesses worldwide. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM To: nanog(a)nanog.org <nanog(a)nanog.org> Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE. Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats. I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.) Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you be the judge. In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a number of additional startling facts relating to the people who nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen: https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-… I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, IMHO. Regards, rfg P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate regularity, obtain it. I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else. P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, are now entirely off-limits. I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, not too long ago: "Democracy dies in darkness." -- anon

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Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Terrence Koeman 14 May '20

14 May '20

"A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." The questions are: damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom (& who is going to make them)? If it were a simple case of weighing the aggregate costs of attacks against the aggregate costs of implementation of mitigation, then we would have seen universal implementation of BCP38[1] two decades ago. Unfortunately, we don't live in a child's mind where things are simple. In reality the parties incurring the costs of attacks are not the same as those that aren't implementing the solutions to prevent them from occurring. If your neighbor has a credit card debt of $20k on which he's paying 18% interest, and you have savings of $20k on which you are receiving 2% interest, then with your logic you should immediately pay off your neighbors' debt, because that'd be cheaper for you both, collectively. But of obviously you wouldn't do this, because you're NOT a collective (your neighbors' wallet/bank account and yours are not the same) and thus you both need to be considered separately. You don't need a degree in economics to realise this, just a shred of common sense suffices. If every network configured their own equipment as well as they wish others would, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Fact is, they won't. And getting someone that has already spent time and/or money on configuring their own equipment correctly to pay for the privilege of not getting attacked by the equipment of someone else that is either too lazy or cheap to do so is going to be a tall order. [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38 -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:12 To: Owen DeLong Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > Me: > "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." > > Toma: > > A degree in economics is not needed [..] > "Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it." > > You: > "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds" > > > You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile. > ________________________________ > From: Owen DeLong <owen(a)delong.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM > To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com>; Shane Ronan <shane(a)ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your hair-brained schemes. > > Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of bigotry and hatred. > > Just a thought. > > Owen > > On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> wrote: > > > You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. > ________________________________ > From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM > To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Cc: Shane Ronan <shane(a)ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > Peace, > > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> wrote: > > A degree in economics is not needed [..] > > Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. > > I think, dixi. > > -- > Töma

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(updated) COVID-19 fast/small resources page
by Rich Kulawiec 14 May '20

14 May '20

It's here: http://www.firemountain.net/covid19.html There's now a link to Job Snijders' "Internet Operations During Pandemics" PDF, better coverage of mapping/tracking, links to every US state's public health agency, links to Canada and Mexico's CDC-equivalents, etc. I also fixed the character encoding. I may move the commentary at the bottom elsewhere: I'm trying to keep this page very lightweight, which is why there are no graphics, scripting, or anything else. Comments/fixes/additions to me, off-list please. ---rsk

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StreetNode MIB
by Richard Basque 14 May '20

14 May '20

I inherited a network with a handful of Intracom Telecom StreetNode 60ghz Point to Point Links. I am having a difficult time locating the MIB files for these units, anyone know where I might be able to find them? Thanks

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