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10GigaEthernet on GSR feedback ...
by Vincent Gillet - Opentransit.net 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

Hi, We recently installed 10GE interface on GSR boxes (Engine4+). I are experiencing a SNMP counter issue with 802.1q VLAN. We were used to have counters by 802.1q VLAN on GSR on 1GE, but it looks to be broken for 10GE subinterfaces. Counters are available by SNMP, but are buggy on Inbound. ifHCInUcastPkts is OK, but ifHCInOctets is not. Does anyone experienced such problem on 10GE with GSR ? Counters from physical interace are fine. We experiences this on SubInterfaces only. Thanks. Vincent. BTW : YES, we already opened a case with vendor, but we would like to share Operations feedbacks on this.

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Re: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG
by Gregory Taylor 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

Matthew (yes I know it is you), The personal information you have posted regarding my phone number is me. However, the slanderous material and obvious hate/flame statements you made against me are absolutely false. I have not attacked any Internet Service Provider or IRC server in several years. I am and have been retired from the underground for a long while now, despite the constant comments made to the contrary by people who do not represent me in any manner. I admit publically to everyone who may read this posting, that I have made some very stupid decisions in the past and I had hurt alot of people in the process. Despite my attempts to justify my actions, the fact is two wrongs do not make a right. XWB is my dad's personal sole propietership. Not once has anyone involved with XWB ever attempted to represent that business as anything more than a Sole propietership that does web development work for non-profit organizations and small businesses. My father works very hard and your attempt at attacking his character was uncalled for and unnecessary. I do not know what your problem with me is, Matthew, but whatever they are, you need to leave them off of NANOG and the phone calls to my house are not appreciated either. I hope you realize that posting personal information about people, such as phone numbers, addresses, and any other such stuff to a public forum without the consent of the person to whom that information belongs to, is illegal. It is a felony in fact. Your unfounded truthless statements about myself and my father's business are a felony as well and if I wanted to take action, could end in a civil lawsuit against you for libel and slander. Will I take that approach? Probably not, mostly because the people on this list, minus certain people, are for the most part mature, intelligent adults who do not care to take part in flame wars, nor do they listen to slanderous statements made by someone who obviously has some kind of jealousy towards someone to the point that he has to make public unprovoked attacks against that person's character. The people who matter on this list will most likely ignore this thread and what not. Good luck in whatever future endeavor you may take. And this is my only and last response to this thread. Greg ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: <albertpublic(a)hushmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 14:37:38 -0800 > >Greg, > >Let me spell it out crystal clear so you can understand. Are you, or >are you not, the Gregory >Taylor referenced in the URL's I sent below? > >Albert P. >(signing his real name so Susan won't remove him from the list) > >>maturity in its purest form. >> >>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>From: <albertpublic(a)hushmail.com> >>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:17:42 -0800 >> >>> >>>I've noticed a number of shining stars in the network engineering >>industry >>>have graced us >>>with their presence and infinite wisdom in the past few days, including >>>Gregory Taylor. I >>>can't help but wonder if this is the same who launched multi-gigabit >>>DDoS attacks against >>>IRC servers and major ISP's recently: >>> >>>http://www.geocities.com/osek_owned/ >>>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=osek >>> >>>Coincidence? You decide. Better yet, call his mother at 1-253- >>475-1227, >>> and let her know >>>you don't approve of his hacking activities. If enough of us put >>the >>>pressure on, it's possible >>>he'll be grounded, and his computer priviledges will be revoked. >> It's >>>happened before, it can >>>happen again. >>> >>>For those of you wondering, "Xpert Web Builders" (XWB.COM) is bogus. >>> They don't operate a >>>network, they're a sole proprietorship tech support and web dev >>group, >>> run by some clue- >>>challenged kids who don't even have the cashflow needed to invest >>in >>>a post-paid cellular >>>phone. >>> >>>Then there's Andrew Kirch, aka "trelane", who just published a >>fascinating >>>(albeit highly >>>technically inaccurate, and bearing little or no basis in reality) >>> >>>whitepaper on the "script kiddie culture": >>> >>>http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/02/28/0130209.shtml >>> >>>Only problem is, he hangs out on EFNet in #sigdie, a channel known >>in >>>security circles as a >>>place where large-scale DDoS attacks, usually involving 1000's >>of >>>drone nets or otherwise compromised machines, are coordinated. >> Takes >>>one to know one, I >>>guess. The fun doesn't stop there: he's publicly admitted to helping >>> >>>packet IRC servers before! >>> >>>I'm still working on building a rap sheet on Kirch's friend, Brian >>Bruns, >>> and their "Summit >>>Open Source Development Group" (which, by all accounts, is a >>>legitimate-looking front for their not-so-legitimate activities). >> If >>>anyone has any info, mail >>>me privately, and I'll summarize. >>> >>> >>> >>>Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get >>>FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 >>> >>>Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger >>>https://www.hushmail.com/services.php?subloc=messenger&l=434 >>> >>>Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: >>> >>>https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 >>> >> >> > > > >Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get >FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 > >Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger >https://www.hushmail.com/services.php?subloc=messenger&l=434 > >Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: >https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 >

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by guy 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Andrew Dorsett wrote: > > This is a topic I get very soap-boxish about. I have too many problems > with providers who don't understand the college student market. I can > think of one university who requires students to login through a web > portal before giving them a routable address. This is such a waste of > time for both parties. Sure it makes tracking down the abusers much > easier, but is it worth the time and effort to manage? This is a very > legitimate idea for public portals in common areas, but not in dorm rooms. Andrew, Doing this is an effective way to introduce an AUP policy to the students. Something to the effect of, "By clicking here, you agree not to do X Y and Z" and other provisions that will not be read by 99.9% of the students/renters. However, by doing this, if need be at a future time, shutting off service for AUP violations is much easier. Guy

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"waste of time"
by Dr. Jeffrey Race 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 08:55:09 -0700 (MST), guy wrote: >I can think of one university who requires students to login through a web >> portal before giving them a routable address. This is such a waste of >> time for both parties. Translation: "It is too much trouble for us to keep the kids from throwing trash out the dorm windows, so we'll just let the public pay for cleaning up our mess every morning."

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Re: Packet Kiddies Invade NANOG
by albertpublic＠hushmail.com 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

Greg, Let me spell it out crystal clear so you can understand. Are you, or are you not, the Gregory Taylor referenced in the URL's I sent below? Albert P. (signing his real name so Susan won't remove him from the list) >maturity in its purest form. > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: <albertpublic(a)hushmail.com> >Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 17:17:42 -0800 > >> >>I've noticed a number of shining stars in the network engineering >industry >>have graced us >>with their presence and infinite wisdom in the past few days, including >>Gregory Taylor. I >>can't help but wonder if this is the same who launched multi-gigabit >>DDoS attacks against >>IRC servers and major ISP's recently: >> >>http://www.geocities.com/osek_owned/ >>http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=osek >> >>Coincidence? You decide. Better yet, call his mother at 1-253- >475-1227, >> and let her know >>you don't approve of his hacking activities. If enough of us put >the >>pressure on, it's possible >>he'll be grounded, and his computer priviledges will be revoked. > It's >>happened before, it can >>happen again. >> >>For those of you wondering, "Xpert Web Builders" (XWB.COM) is bogus. >> They don't operate a >>network, they're a sole proprietorship tech support and web dev >group, >> run by some clue- >>challenged kids who don't even have the cashflow needed to invest >in >>a post-paid cellular >>phone. >> >>Then there's Andrew Kirch, aka "trelane", who just published a >fascinating >>(albeit highly >>technically inaccurate, and bearing little or no basis in reality) >> >>whitepaper on the "script kiddie culture": >> >>http://software.newsforge.com/software/04/02/28/0130209.shtml >> >>Only problem is, he hangs out on EFNet in #sigdie, a channel known >in >>security circles as a >>place where large-scale DDoS attacks, usually involving 1000's >of >>drone nets or otherwise compromised machines, are coordinated. > Takes >>one to know one, I >>guess. The fun doesn't stop there: he's publicly admitted to helping >> >>packet IRC servers before! >> >>I'm still working on building a rap sheet on Kirch's friend, Brian >Bruns, >> and their "Summit >>Open Source Development Group" (which, by all accounts, is a >>legitimate-looking front for their not-so-legitimate activities). > If >>anyone has any info, mail >>me privately, and I'll summarize. >> >> >> >>Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get >>FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 >> >>Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger >>https://www.hushmail.com/services.php?subloc=messenger&l=434 >> >>Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: >> >>https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 >> > > Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Free, ultra-private instant messaging with Hush Messenger https://www.hushmail.com/services.php?subloc=messenger&l=434 Promote security and make money with the Hushmail Affiliate Program: https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427

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Security: Cisco time?
by John Obi 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

Hello, I think cisco woke up now, http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/36156.html You NSPs are the worst enemy for the internet security, do you know why? You are allowing your customers to abuse, and ignore the abuse emails, but that doesn't matter since they pay for the bw. Good example, hinet is the spolied kid of Sprint, UUNet, and AT&T, is the worst infected ISP. I don't buy innocent users joke, everyone connected the net is responsible and shouldn't be a problem on it. I think it's the right time to make something for abuseive NSP/ISPs like spews. ahbl.org is good idea. PS: I know most of you, were ignoring the DDoS till it's too late now, soon we will see the internet goes down, and not trust worthy. Thanks, -J --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you�re looking for faster.

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RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?
by netadm 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

I don't think you find ANY significant provider that does not have network blocks listed in block lists. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Snyder [mailto:rsnyder@toontown.erial.nj.us] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 11:51 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo? netadm wrote: >http://www.serverpronto.com > > > Given the thread was started for people who want to get a server for mail clear of blocklists, why would I want to use a provider on a number of blocklists per http://www.openrbl.org/, including a SBL/ROKSO listing? Bob

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RE: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?
by netadm 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

http://www.serverpronto.com -----Original Message----- From: Todd Vierling [mailto:tv@duh.org] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 8:56 AM To: Simon Lockhart Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo? On Sun, 14 Mar 2004, Simon Lockhart wrote: : If someone can point me to Virtual Solaris Machine, then I'd willingly offer : that as a service (the colo I help run as a "hobby" is Sun only). : : The reason people are doing it on Linux is that it's available. (And, in the : case of LVM, free) mmm, NetBSD. Runs on all of x86, amd64, and sparc64 hardware, and runs Linux and Solaris binaries (for the appropriate processor type). RAIDframe is free and included in the base system too. 8-) -- -- Todd Vierling <tv(a)duh.org> <tv(a)pobox.com>

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Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?
by George William Herbert 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

There are other good reasons to colo a server rather than have it at home: 1) Colo facility easier to get generator and *real* UPS lifetime for at affordable rates. 2) Colo facility upstream networking not subject to the whims of increasingly incompetent broadband providers. 3) Colo facility can have redundant networking a lot cheaper than home users (and simpler... trying to get BGP fed up a DSL link of any budget, to have truly redundant networking at home, isn't possible that I know of, and is increasingly difficult with full budget T-1s unless you know someone). And last but not least: 4) Proper quality servers make more noise than I want in my office at home. I have been paying order of $200/month for reasonably high end home internet since the days when that was Netcom and a 14.4k dialup modem and a Class C, though I now get much more bandwidth. Due to service level declines I have been looking into redundant connectivity. But the options suck. Precisely as Paul points out, me taking my Sun V100 and sticking it in someone else's rack, were it $50/month, would be an *excellent* solution for me on all levels. I do not know that there are several racks full of people like me, even in the SF Bay area, but I would be willing to bet that the answer is yes. -george william herbert gherbert(a)retro.com

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Re: who offers cheap (personal) 1U colo?
by Paul Vixie 14 Mar '04

14 Mar '04

> I pay $36/mo for my aDSL. $50 _more_ sounds a lot. rest assured, some of the mail i've received in response to this has even lower price points. several have described service businesses which amount to virtual linux or shell/imap/smarthost but i havn't decided whether to include all of those categories in my results. > ... it's the geeky thing to do, what does it change in the big scheme ...? it's a vision thing. i like the idea of responsible 1U-owners extending their digital footprint to all parts of the globe. most domestic residences don't have UPS, backup generator, or high speed IP with static global addresses. and there is no reason to try to solve that problem given the way-more-efficient 1U colo model. $50/month at 40U rentable is $2000/rack/month if it's full. after paying for 60A of power and 50Mbits/sec of transit and whatever the rack rents for, the provider's gross margin will be between 25% and 50%, out of which they have to pay salaries. as a standalone business this makes no sense, but at scale or as part of another business, $50/month @1U is just about right.

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