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noc/mail admin contact for hotmail.com?
by Dave Dennis 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

I need to get in touch with RP at hotmail, tried abuse(a)hotmail.com, which is only for consumers of hotmail, as it needs to reference a hotmail account. I tried msnhst(a)microsoft.com, but have received no response. Is there a more appropriate known address? This has to do with blocking mail at the server level. Reply off-list as preferred. Kind regards, Dave D +------------------------- + Dave Dennis + Seattle, WA + dmd(a)speakeasy.org + http://www.dmdennis.com +-------------------------

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RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
by Hannigan, Martin 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

That URL does resolve to Akamai, but I had heard a rumor they weren't going that route. -M -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Steven Susbauer Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:24 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: XP SP2 other than windows update I would be surprised if it wasn't on akamai, which would cut down on much of the external traffic. On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:01:24 -0400 , Hannigan, Martin <hannigan(a)verisign.com> wrote: > > > Already got mine and it went nice and smooth as far as I can tell. > Kudos to MS. > > Has anyone noticed a real impact on the internet, traffic wise, related > to XP2? I'd suspect that some of the tier1's may see the traffic? Maybe > not? > > -M > -- ------------------------ Steven Susbauer

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RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
by Michel Py 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

________________________________ From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu on behalf of Steven Susbauer Sent: Wed 9/1/2004 9:49 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: XP SP2 other than windows update I hadn't heard they were keeping it off akamai. I have heard they're asking ISP's not to mirror it (and any other mirrors), and have shut down bittorrent downloads. That's understandable as they would be blamed if someone downloaded a compromised version (strange how they didn't mind Sp1 mirroring...). On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:30:47 -0400 , Hannigan, Martin <hannigan(a)verisign.com> wrote: > > > That URL does resolve to Akamai, but I had heard a rumor > they weren't going that route. > > -M ---------------- Steven Susbauer

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RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
by Hannigan, Martin 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Already got mine and it went nice and smooth as far as I can tell. Kudos to MS. Has anyone noticed a real impact on the internet, traffic wise, related to XP2? I'd suspect that some of the tier1's may see the traffic? Maybe not? -M -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:00 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: XP SP2 other than windows update On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, David A. Ulevitch wrote: > > would provide). If anyone's that desperate, email me. I only used it > > after waiting a week with the "Automatic Updates" switched on, and > > nothing arriving. > > Microsoft isn't hiding the link: > http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/6/5/165b076b-aaa9-443d-84f0-73cf11f dcdf8/WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe CompUSA is offering to install XP SP2 on any Windows XP computer for free if you bring your computer to any of their stores. Expect them to use the opportunity to try to sell you some upgrades or security software. You can order a Free CD on the Microsoft web site. Although it says 4-6 weeks, people report they are getting a CD in the mail in about a week. There has been talk about Microsoft XP SP2 CD's being distribued through various consumer and business electronics stores. But I haven't seen any yet.

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RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
by Michel Py 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

> Roland Perry wrote: > I'm an IT professional, but only one of my PCs is running XP. > And it's a full-price retail copy, not a bundled-OEM or upgrade. > Hence me feeling left out when I'm told that "IT professionals" > have already been allowed their Windows-update. Every IT professional I know has had SP2 available three different ways for two weeks: 1) Somewhere on a server for support staff to begin to experiment with and for a small set of guinea pig users to install. 2) On a CD made after the download. On my CD I also have SP1 for Office 2003. Part of being an IT professional includes maintaining an updated set of CDs carried at all times. 3) On a slipstreamed install CD for new installs. Optionally, 4a) On an SP2 image on a RIS server 4b) On a ghost images The final SP2 has been available on M$ site even for people that don't have an MSDN subscription. Anyone that wants to call themselves an "IT professional" _does_ download and try major updates _before_ they are made available to end users, period. Michel.

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RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P 2P
by Brian Battle 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Akamai or not, microsoft is overwhelmed by the demand for SP2, and today is giving the message listed below on windowsupdate: Download and install it now - Currently not available We are currently experiencing a high level of demand for Windows XP Service Pack 2, so please check back later for availability. We apologize for any inconvenience. If you prefer to obtain SP2 another way, the easiest way to get Service Pack 2 is to turn on the Automatic Updates feature in Windows XP and it will be downloaded when you are connected to the Internet without you having to take any further action. So then I thought about getting it from the torrent at sp2torrent.com, but sadly microsoft has made them remove the torrent... -----Original Message----- From: Byron L. Hicks [mailto:bhicks@nmsu.edu] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:21 PM To: Jeff Wheeler; Henry Linneweh Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2 with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P. -- Byron L. Hicks Network Engineer NMSU ICT On 8/30/04 12:43 PM, "Jeff Wheeler" <jwheeler(a)usip.org> wrote: > > My two cents: > When Windows XP SP2 was released the only way to get it (for those of > us not part of MSDN at least) was via P2P. The same has been true for > countless other large but important software releases on various > platforms (particularly ones like Linux that aren't backed by huge > corporations with tons of bandwidth to host these sorts of files). > > Point is? P2P is extremely valuable for the timely and cost-effective > delivery of critical updates to the masses. > > -- > Jeff Wheeler > Postmaster, Network Admin > US Institute of Peace > > > On Aug 30, 2004, at 2:27 PM, Henry Linneweh wrote: > >> >> So I would like some professional expert opinion to >> give her on this issue since it will effect the >> copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for >> production and professional usage of this technology. >> >> -Henry >

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RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
by Michel Py 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

> Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > because legislating in the 'USA' something that is clearly > 'global' has worked so well? politicians looking to get: > 1) votes > 2) 'political bang for the buck' > 3) useless hot air blown up someone's rear > really need to stop trying to legislate behaviour in places > they can't touch... To repeat: "If you make <currently legal > Internet thing> illegal in the US, I'll just move my > <currently legal Internet thing> OUTSIDE the US Borders and > give you the middle finger as a salute." I totally agree, but have you ever met politicians that are _not_ looking to get 1) votes 2) 'political bang for the buck' 3) useless hot air blown up someone's rear? All of these are part of the job description. > Dan Hollis wrote: > the cynic in me says that the senator is looking for our > arguments in favor of p2p, so that she knows exactly how > to argue against us and exactly how to write a bill to > hurt us the most. Ah, that would be the politically correct way of expressing what I posted yesterday! > Joe Johnson wrote: > All this hit here in Illinois when the Super DCMA took effect, and > it technically became illegal to use a router in your home (as the > Illinois DCMA restricts the ability to hide the source or > destination of any electronic communication, kinda like NAT). > I certainly didn't pull NAT off my home or my office connections! > I think no one has been called down (e.g., no one has challenged) > on the law, but I could be arrested at any time for running a > basic Netgear router on my broadband at home. Fortunately for you, legislation passed by incompetent and stupid people 1) rarely gets enforced 2) even when it does, the odds of being among the few ones nailed for using a NAT box on your residential home connection are lower than winning the lottery of being struck by lightning. Some pieces of legislation are useful (such as the junk fax law or the do-not-call list) and some other that are idiotic (such as what you mentioned). > Jeff Wheeler wrote: > Not that I have any idea of MS's software activation can > translate in to protection of CDs and DVDs and whatnot, > but it's something to think about (it's certainly better > than the current mechanisms: copy once and never again, > or copy only digital files that are of a degraded quality, > or only playable on certain players to prevent copying > via a computer, among I'm sure many others). I see no future here. All attempts to protect content have miserably failed so far, as there have enough people that have perfectly legitimate reasons to break the protection. Some examples: 1) DVD zoning (nothing easier to de-zone most DVD players). I have a perfectly legitimate reason to break this stupidity: I go to France and buy a French movie in French on DVD, I can't watch it back at home. Friends visit from Luxemburg and bring movies, we can't watch them either. Even if I wanted to buy these movies, I can't, as they have not been dubbed in English and are not available in Zone1 format. This pushes me to either de-zone my DVD player, DeCSS the disc, or use this 3 megabit broadband to download a copy. Stupid. 2) Make audio CD's unreadable in a computer so nobody can rip the .wav tracks to .mp3. Totally stupid: 2.a) Remember the last ones that tried (namely Sony)? Their protection scheme could be defeated in 2 seconds with a sharpie. I'm still laughing at it. Hara-kiri comes to mind. 2.b) Even if someone could prevent audio CDs to be read in a computer (see above) it takes only _one_ person to leak the files (as demonstrated some time ago by a Madonna record leaked days before it went to manufacturing). 2.c) Anyway, given the audio quality of standard gear today, a single digital.wav -> analog -> digital.mp3 pass is not going to degrade the audio quality enough to bother anybody. In other words: connect a good CD player to a PC with a good soundcard with a grounded gold-plated cable and rip to .mp3 from the analog input, nobody will know that it's not a direct CD audio track to .mp3 rip. 3. Finally, and although it is true that copyright infringement is very often associated with P2P, I found myself downloading a lot of .mp3 files that I actually own on LP, simply because it's faster to download the file than it is to rip it from the LP (I know because I tried: I actually have a few CDs that I ripped myself from the LP). I bought the 33 1/3 album, I am entitled to a backup on another media. Michel.

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More on Sri Lanka fiber outage....
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Via: http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_965656,00050002.htm Sri Lanka court holds back Indian ship, seeks $5mn in damages Press Trust of India Colombo, August 23 A Sri Lankan court ordered that an Indian ship, which allegedly damaged a submarine cable severing the island's main internet access with the rest of the world, be held at the port of Colombo till a case seeking five million US dollars in damages was settled. The Colombo district court ordered that the vessel, 'State of Nagaland' be held at the port where it is currently anchored until the case filed by Sri Lanka Telecom is heard on September 6. SLT, the island's main telecommunications provider said they want five million dollars in damages and that internet, international dialling and data services of 800,000 subscribers had been affected since yesterday. The ship is alleged to have dropped anchor and damaged the SEA-ME-WE III cable linking Sri Lanka to the internet backbone. Services will remain interrupted for at least another day or two until a repair ship carries out its work. 8<----------- snip ----------- - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net

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Oct. NANOG - hotel? At the two month marker now.
by ren 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Hi folks, Could someone with the hotel location data for the 17-19 Oct NANOG please email me? 'Reston, VA' got rejected as not specific enough for the travel authorization. http://www.nanog.org/ & http://www.arin.net/ only list Reston, VA. Thanks, -ren

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Re: OT: Politics
by list-nanog＠dragon.net 31 Aug '04

31 Aug '04

gking> Quick show of hands, of the American citizens in here (of legal gking> voting age), how many of you will be going to the polls to cast a gking> vote for president this November? And which candidate are you gking> voting for? Mail me in private and I'll summarize the results on gking> the list. lou> Can we send this information through an anonymizer, or do we have lou> to trust Gmail to not scan the E-mail and correlate the opinion lou> with our E-mail address? Please don't feed the troll... Can't we talk about spam or verisign or something else more likely to be on topic and bring accord than politics?

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