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RE: Cisco moves even more to china.
by Drew Weaver 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

I just find the whole idea of Cisco amusing, they still sell new 7500 series routers for 6 figures with the right configurations, and they've been around for 10 years, in what other industry can you take a product that is a decade old, hasn't advanced in technology, and still sell them new for $100,000? Although admittedly most sensible people buy them on ebay for a grand these days. -Drew -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Perciballi Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:56 AM To: Nicole Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china. Great...So Cisco is turning into the Nike of technology. I can't wait to see 11 year olds building routers that sell for $1.5 million USD, while getting paid 7 cents/hour. [Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 04:49:11PM -0700] Nicole Inscribed these words... > > > > Lovely, Just lovely. Just heard On CNN, Lou Dobbs. (but can't find it on > their site) > > During a Beijing news conference John Chambers (Cisco CEO) Says "We believe in > giving something back and truly becoming a Chineese company." "China will > become the IT center or the world" "China will become the largest economy in the > world." > > CNN Reports: Cisco is investing 32 Million into Changi and is training > 10's of thousands of Chineese university students in Cisco technology. > > > So.. I guess we will be cranking out those H1b's...Plan to kiss your raises > and or jobs bye bye to some specialized cheap imported Cisco trained networking > person from China. > > > *SIGH* > > > Nicole > > > -- > |\ __ /| (`\ > | o_o |__ ) ) > // \\ > - nmh(a)daemontech.com - Powered by FreeBSD - > ------------------------------------------------------ > "The term "daemons" is a Judeo-Christian pejorative. > Such processes will now be known as "spiritual guides" > - Politicaly Correct UNIX Page > > Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and > looks like work. > - Thomas Edison > > "Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems." > - Linus Torvalds > > -- Stephen (routerg) irc.dks.ca

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Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
by Gregory Hicks 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:49:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: Nicole <nmh(a)daemontech.com> > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Cisco moves even more to china. > > > > > Lovely, Just lovely. Just heard On CNN, Lou Dobbs. (but can't find it on > their site) > > During a Beijing news conference John Chambers (Cisco CEO) Says "We believe in > giving something back and truly becoming a Chineese company." "China will > become the IT center or the world" "China will become the largest economy in the > world." > > CNN Reports: Cisco is investing 32 Million into Changi and is training > 10's of thousands of Chineese university students in Cisco technology. > > So.. I guess we will be cranking out those H1b's...Plan to kiss your raises > and or jobs bye bye to some specialized cheap imported Cisco trained networking > person from China. Yeah, but don't they already have a company over there that is producing Cisco stuff? Or did I mis-read a lawsuit? > > > *SIGH* > > > Nicole > > > -- > |\ __ /| (`\ > | o_o |__ ) ) > // \\ > - nmh(a)daemontech.com - Powered by FreeBSD - > ------------------------------------------------------ > "The term "daemons" is a Judeo-Christian pejorative. > Such processes will now be known as "spiritual guides" > - Politicaly Correct UNIX Page > > Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and > looks like work. > - Thomas Edison > > "Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems." > - Linus Torvalds > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3400 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks(a)cadence.com I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton

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RE: Cisco moves even more to china.
by Dan Mahoney, System Admin 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Jason Graun wrote: > I think the IT field as a whole, programmers, network guys, etc... are going > to go the way of the auto workers in the 70's and 80's. I am a CCIE working > and on a second one and it saddens me that all my hard work and advanced > knowledge could be replaced by a chop-shop guy because from a business > standpoint quarter to quarter the chop-shop guy is cheaper on the books. > Never mind the fact that I solve problems on the network in under 30mins and > save the company from downtime but I am too expensive. I used to love > technology and all it had to offer but now I feel cheated, I feel like we > all have been burned by the way the business guys look at the technology, as > a commodity. Thankfully I am still young (mid 20's) I can make a career > switch but I'll still love the technology. Anyway I am going to start the > paper work to be an H1b to China and brush up on my Mandarin. I've felt this way about things at times. It's why I'm getting my CDL. I highly doubt they can find a way to outsource *that* to some third-world country. -Dan > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Erik > Haagsman > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:55 PM > To: Dan Mahoney, System Admin > Cc: Nicole; nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china. > > > On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 02:29, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >> I've always personally taken anyone who said "but I'm an MCSE" with a >> grain of salt. I've had equal respect for the A-plus and Net-Plus >> certifications, which are basically bought. > > I take most certifications with a grain of salt, including degrees, > unless someone clearly demonstrates he know's what he's talking about, > is able to make intelligent decisions and learns new techniques quickly. > In which case a certification is still just an add-on ;-) > >> I used to have more trust in the /CC../ certifications but I find I may be > >> laughing those off too quite soon. > > The vendor's introductory certs (CCNA, CCNP, JNCIA, JNCIS) don't say > anything about a candidate, except exactly that ("I got the cert"). CCIE > and JNCIE are still at least an indicator someone was at a certain level > at the time of getting the certification, but are still no substitute > for experience and a brain in good working order. It's too bad there > aren't better "general" (non-vendor specific) certs, since what often > lacks is general understanding of network architecture and protocols. > You can teach anyone the right commands for Vendor X and they'll prolly > get a basic config going on a few nodes, but when troubleshooting time > comes it's useless without good knowledge of the underlying technology, > which none of the vendor certs teach very well (IMHO anyway ;-) > > Cheers, > > Erik > > > > -- > --- > Erik Haagsman > Network Architect > We Dare BV > tel: +31.10.7507008 > fax: +31.10.7507005 > http://www.we-dare.nl > > > > -- "Don't be so depressed dear." "I have no endorphins, what am I supposed to do?" -DM and SK, February 10th, 1999 --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org ---------------------------

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

This report has been generated at Fri Sep 24 21:44:25 2004 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 17-09-04 143628 98841 18-09-04 143795 98791 19-09-04 143753 98757 20-09-04 143810 98790 21-09-04 143714 99006 22-09-04 144230 99037 23-09-04 144280 99059 24-09-04 144324 99983 AS Summary 18046 Number of ASes in routing system 7331 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1386 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 86681856 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DNIC DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 24Sep04 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 145918 100017 45901 31.5% All ASes AS18566 740 7 733 99.1% CVAD Covad Communications AS4134 785 176 609 77.6% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS4323 788 217 571 72.5% TWTC Time Warner Telecom AS7018 1386 961 425 30.7% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS7843 491 98 393 80.0% ADELPH-13 Adelphia Corp. AS22773 400 21 379 94.8% CXA Cox Communications Inc. AS6467 393 30 363 92.4% ACSI e.spire Communications, Inc. AS27364 394 36 358 90.9% ARMC Armstrong Cable Services AS701 1246 901 345 27.7% UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS22909 376 46 330 87.8% CMCS Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS6197 722 404 318 44.0% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS1239 957 640 317 33.1% SPRN Sprint AS17676 362 56 306 84.5% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS9929 334 33 301 90.1% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS6478 364 71 293 80.5% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS4355 381 99 282 74.0% ERSD EARTHLINK, INC AS21502 268 3 265 98.9% ASN-NUMERICABLE NUMERICABLE is a cabled network in France, AS4766 529 266 263 49.7% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS6347 332 79 253 76.2% SAVV SAVVIS Communications Corporation AS14654 259 6 253 97.7% WAYPOR-3 Wayport AS6140 364 114 250 68.7% IMPSA ImpSat AS9443 359 110 249 69.4% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications AS11172 286 53 233 81.5% Alestra AS25844 244 16 228 93.4% SASMFL-2 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS2386 834 607 227 27.2% ADCS-1 AT&T Data Communications Services AS1221 811 584 227 28.0% ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd AS15557 371 144 227 61.2% LDCOMNET LDCOM NETWORKS AS9583 534 315 219 41.0% SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited AS6198 428 210 218 50.9% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS721 719 512 207 28.8% DNIC DoD Network Information Center Total 16457 6815 9642 58.6% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 AHSICHCL Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cable Ltd. 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.38.0/24 AS25994 NPGCAB NPG Cable, INC 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 64.46.4.0/22 AS11711 TULARO TULAROSA COMMUNICATIONS 64.46.27.0/24 AS8674 NETNOD-IX Netnod Internet Exchange Sverige AB 64.46.34.0/24 AS3408 64.46.63.0/24 AS7850 IHIGHW iHighway.net, Inc. 64.83.96.0/19 AS26956 NETFR NetFree Communications 64.127.0.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 65.23.160.0/19 AS32809 DRN-3 Dickey Rural Networks 66.114.0.0/19 AS16526 BIRCHT Birch Telecom, Inc. 69.26.32.0/19 AS17307 VIRTEL-15 Virtela Communications 111.0.0.0/24 AS7563 KII-AS Korea Internet Infrastructure 132.0.0.0/10 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 138.136.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 158.0.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.127.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.43.230.0/24 AS4738 SAARDNET-AS South Australian Academic Research and Development Network 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCC-2 National Research Council of Canada 192.80.64.0/19 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.81.182.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.107.144.0/22 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 NASA National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS4004 GLOBALONE-EQUANT-UK Equant UK & Greece Autonomous System 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 192.138.208.0/20 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.190.16.0/21 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.243.32.0/23 AS2044 PALINA Palin Aquisitions Inc. 196.2.95.0/24 AS8668 TELONE-AS TelOne Zimbabwe P/L 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLAT-7 Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-1 Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.247.0/24 AS3475 DEPART-52 Department of the Navy 198.101.4.0/22 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCBCC Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY CityNet, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GTGR GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.161.165.0/24 AS852 AGTA Telus Advanced Communications 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MRN Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INS-51 Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASK SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 UBC-3 University of British Columbia 199.96.44.0/23 AS19092 360NE-1 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.96.46.0/24 AS19092 360NE-1 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.114.0.0/18 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.136.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 DISAUN DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NXLI NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST IQuest Internet 199.197.8.0/22 AS21814 PARSON-18 Parsons Corp. 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.47.1.0/24 AS7491 PI-PH-AS-AP PI-PHILIPINES 202.70.28.0/24 AS4515 ERX-STAR Star Internet Services Ltd. 202.73.128.0/22 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.81.96.0/19 AS10113 DATAFAST-AP DATAFAST TELECOMMUNICATIONS LTD 202.81.109.0/24 AS7657 TIG-US-PAS-AP The Internet Group Limited 202.81.121.0/24 AS10113 DATAFAST-AP DATAFAST TELECOMMUNICATIONS LTD 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.133.3.0/24 AS9335 CIP-JAPAN-AS-AP ATT IPlus 202.164.224.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.84.192.0/19 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 203.84.192.0/20 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 203.84.208.0/20 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 203.210.69.0/24 AS17536 PRODIGY-AS-AP Prodidgy Telecommunications 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS30653 EXOBI Exobit Networks Inc. 204.196.0.0/14 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 205.159.72.0/24 AS1660 ANSCOM-5 ANS Communications 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQR-3 Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.251.69.0/24 AS27429 TIL-33 Telesat International Ltd. 206.253.190.0/23 AS8123 POLYBA Polybase 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETI NuNet Inc 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 SNL-8 Sentris Network LLC 209.143.192.0/18 AS3561 CWU Cable & Wireless USA 209.172.0.0/18 AS7770 TRTI Triton Technologies, Inc. 209.205.69.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.70.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.81.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.82.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.84.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.48.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.49.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.50.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.51.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.55.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.56.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM-1 SISCOM, Inc 216.37.110.0/23 AS4264 CERFN California Education and Research Federation Network 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 216.145.130.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.132.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.134.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.156.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.158.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.176.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.177.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.178.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.184.0/21 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.200.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.186.151.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.152.0/21 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.160.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.164.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.192.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.198.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.248.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org swinog(a)swinog.ch

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APNIC Privacy of customer assignment records - implementation update
by George Michaelson 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

Dear colleagues, This is an important announcement on the implementation of APNIC approved proposal prop-007-v001 regarding privacy of customer assignment records. The proposal document, presentation, minutes, and discussion are available at: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals/prop-007-v001.html The APNIC Secretariat will be implementing this proposal on 30 September 2004. Please note that after this date, customer assignment objects will no longer be visible in the APNIC Whois Database, unless the APNIC account holder chooses to make public the customer records for their allocated address range. A set of Frequently Asked Questions about this project is now available at: http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/privacy-faq.html If you have any concerns or questions regarding this policy, please contact the APNIC helpdesk at: E-mail: helpdesk(a)apnic.net Phone: +617 3858 3188 Fax: +617 3858 3199 Regards ______________________________________________________________________ APNIC Secretariat <secretariat(a)apnic.net> Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61-7-3858-3100 PO Box 2131 Milton, QLD 4064 Australia Fax: +61-7-3858-3199 ______________________________________________________________________

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Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
by Joe Johnson 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

While it is certainly an operational issue if there are no operators left (or on the flip side, too many), I think even that is quite a stretch. Perhaps the economic discussion can be completed elsewhere? Joe Johnson ________________________________ From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:24 PM To: nanog(a)nanog.org Cc: Suresh Ramasubramanian Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china. Hello Suresh, I appreciate and respect your opinion. Please offer me that same respect in kind. I am aware of the fact of our diverse global economy and only think as many in US do we should be fair and equitable to all parties WORLDWIDE. Respectfully yours, Joseph Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh(a)outblaze.com> wrote: Joseph [23/09/04 18:53 -0700]: > Don't Support Outsourcing I suggest you lead by example. > Don't buy from companies that outsource US jobs. Be very vocal and Now please go unplug all your cisco and juniper equipment. Then open up your servers and remove all the RAM / hard disks etc that are made in Malaysia / Taiwan etc. Oh wait - check the labels on your clothes. The last Macy's I visited had a whole lot of shirts / trousers / underwear that had US brand names but were all made in Vietnam / China / Bangladesh etc. You might want to strip them off and wear just your own, all american skin. Sheesh. Please take it to Lou Dobbs, or if you have any more rational arguments than these to advocate what looks like a boycott of cisco equipment, please take it to somewhere like Dave Farber's IP .. lots of posters there love to beat this dead horse even more than you do. srs ________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/10/*http:/promotions.yahoo.com/ new_mail/static/efficiency.html> - Send 10MB messages!

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Need qualified packers/shippers for racked equipment
by C. Bensend 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Hi all, I have received marching orders to pull our hardware out of a datacenter in Chicago and have it distributed within our company. We are migrating to the next generation of the application hosted there and bringing everything in-house. This decision is all about the money and has nothing to do with the colocation company. I have read through the similar thread started by Mr. Zito in August of 2003 (http://tinyurl.com/5g9ug) but my requirements are slightly different. They include: 1) Must be able to insure for more than $50,000 per shipment 2) No real rush - 5-7 days should be acceptable 3) Must be able to ship full racks _including_ packing/crating - we will have staff on-site to pull the site down, but we would rather have the shipper handle packaging 4) Should have solid experience shipping high-value data equipment 5) Multiple shipments to different destinations within a week's timeframe 6) Not all destinations will have a dock for offloading 7) There will be ~8 racks, plus two HP XP256 cabinets I am open to emails from salesfolk as long as they're reasonable. For right now, I just need contacts with shippers that are qualified and recommended by the community, so we can start working on quotes. I'm looking at the first (small) shipment leaving Chicago around the first week of November, with the remainder of the site shipping the first week of December. I will of course summarize back to the list, so feel free to email me off-list if you like. Thanks much! Benny

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Change of Providers - time to migrate IP addresses
by R. Benjamin Kessler 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Is there a generally-accepted "best practice" that dictates the time frame for relinquishing address space when changing providers? I have a client with a /24 from provider X; we've built the infrastructure for connectivity to provider Y (with new address space from them) but still have a few hosts that we've not migrated to the new address space. We'll certainly be rid of the old addresses within the next 60 days but would like to terminate the circuit to provider X sooner than that. I think this is a pretty typical thing but Googling hasn't turned-up too much in the way of evidence of this. Is this a reasonable thing to do? I appreciate any feedback from NANOGers. Thanks, Ben

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(SOT)INCOGNITO
by Rich Sena 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Has anyone any experience with an IP mgmt suite called INCOGNITO? Please contact off-list... Sorry for the noise... -- Rich Sena - ras(a)thick.net ThickNET Consulting "On the way to understanding; you understand, and forget."

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paging the postmaster from adelphia
by Matt Ghali 23 Sep '04

23 Sep '04

Your mail is bouncing. Your support reps claim that they have no control over blacklisting. Your mail servers say that socrates.berkeley.edu is on a blacklist that it isn't. Please mail me, we've been trying to resolve this for a week. Matt Ghali berkeley.edu mail ops

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