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RE: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
by Hannigan, Martin 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of > Owen DeLong > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 12:00 AM > To: Edward Lewis > Cc: Andrew Dul; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder > > [ snip ] > Right... So, things divide into two categories... Major > Undertakings and > changes to existing policy... Requires policy process. > Easily implemented > obvious wins for everyone (a pingable address within a new block would > be an example here) where the first step should be a polite "Hey ARIN > Staff, can this be done?" If the staff says "Sure...Easy... > look for an > announcement soon.", then my experience has been they tend to get > implemented fairly quickly (I believe this is what I just saw from > Leslie a couple of minutes ago on this very issue). If the staff says > no, they generally provide reasons and suggestions. In this > case, either > the policy process or an alternative solution is probably in order. The problem I see with it not being in policy process is that it means it's not permanent. Personally, I think that this is a great idea, but I don't necessarily agree that it's as easy as pinging a host address in terms of scalability and effectiveness. Outside the policy process, we lose the framework of discussion and consensus. The staff is fantastic. Responsive. Intelligent. Good leadership. But it may not always be that way. These things aren't static. YMMV -M<

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Re: ARIN, was Re: 72/8 friendly reminder
by Andrew Dul 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

>From: Michael.Dillon >Date: Thu Mar 24 11:34:52 2005 > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> The other consequence is that the membership takes on the >> responsibility for ARIN's actions. Not the staff's actions, but >> ARIN's actions. If there is any dysfunction in ARIN, I suspect that >> it lay here. > >Yes, this is what I believe. The ARIN membership is more >passive than I think is healthy for the organization. >Thus, the organization is dysfunctional. I agree, I'd certainly like to see more people actively participate in the process. If nanog folks believe that the ARIN membership is not getting the right stuff done... How do we fix this problem? How do we get more operators involved and active in the RIRs? I think colocating 1 ARIN meeting/per year with Nanog in the fall has been a help. ARIN isn't perfect but it could be a lot worse. In some ways I think the issue you describe is an industry wide problem. There are many different groups (RIRs, ICANN, IETF, Nanogs, etc...) and participating in all of them is a lot of effort, especially when most of us already have full-time jobs. We could of course create a huge beuarcratcy with lots of people to study the issues and make policy, but that hasn't been the way the Internet has developed and is counter to what many operators think is best for the Internet. That also requires money. Is that what people want? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Andrew (also a member of the ARIN Advisory Council)

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MIT Hosed? (anyone from Ebay or Rogers available)
by Jeffrey I. Schiller 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

Looking for some help... Net 18/8 seems to be unable to reach significant portions of the Internet. I suspect that someone is advertising a bogus route for us. None of the regular looking glasses show any problems though. If anyone from Ebay or Rogers Cable (AS812) is listening, I would really like to know what routes (and AS path) you have for net 18 so I can track this problem down. Please cc any correspondence so jis(a)qyv.net, an e-mail address not serviced through MIT's infrastructure. Thanks. -Jeff -- ============================================================================= Jeffrey I. Schiller MIT Network Manager Information Services and Technology Massachusetts Institute of Technology 77 Massachusetts Avenue Room W92-190 Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 617.253.0161 - Voice jis(a)mit.edu ============================================================================

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"Bandwidth Advisors" - www.bandwidthadvisors.com
by Tim Pozar 25 Mar '05

25 Mar '05

Just got a call from "Tosten" of a company called "Bandwidth Advisors". They represent themselves as a "Independent Telco & Colo Consultants" (see web page). Seems that they are calling around ISPs and asking them if they have an "agent" program. After talking to him a bit I find out that they will only recommend a company if they are getting a kick-back from the company. Sounds like a company to avoid if one really wants an "Independent Consultant". Tim -- 1978 45th Ave / San Francisco CA 94116 / USA // POTS: +1 415 665 3790 GPG Fingerprint: 4821 CFDA 06E7 49F3 BF05 3F02 11E3 390F 8338 5B04 "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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FW: [IP] a briefing at the National Academies
by Irwin Lazar 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

FYI: ------ Forwarded Message From: "Brownstein, Charles" <CBrownstein(a)nas.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:05:58 -0500 To: <dave(a)farber.net> Subject: can you assist in announcing this To interested IP'ers The Computer Science and Telecommunications Board of the National Academies invites you to a briefing at the National Academies on Thursday, March 31, 2005 to present the findings of a recently completed study: "Signposts in Cyberspace: the Domain Name System and Internet Navigation." This study examines the performance and prospects of the Domain Name System from both technical and institutional perspectives, and also looks at how navigation technologies and institutions facilitate finding and accessing Internet resources. The DNS and Internet navigation serve as the public "face" to most users of the Internet. Their workings, and the workings of the myriad technical systems and institutional arrangements that make them possible, shape the value of the Internet in important ways. Sound public policy about them is thus critical to sustaining the utility and accessibility of this increasingly essential resource. "Signposts in Cyberspace" both describes the evolution of the technologies and institutions that have supported the growth of the Internet and provides the basis for future decisions that will enable its productive evolution. Leading the discussion will be Dr. Roger Levien, Chair of the multi-disciplinary study committee that produced the report. He will be joined by members of the committee. The briefing will be from 11 am to 12 pm. Date: Thursday, March 31, 2004 Time: 11 AM Place: The National Academies 2100 C St. NW Washington DC Lecture Room Information about the study may be found at < http://www7.nationalacademies.org/cstb/project_dns.html>. A preprint of the report will be posted and linked to this site by the time of meeting. To confirm your place at this event, please respond by email to: (mhuynh(a)nas.edu) with DNS RSVP in the subject field, or by telephone (202-334-2605) by Monday, March 28th. We hope that you will be able to join us. Charles N. Brownstein, Director Computer Science and Telecommunications Board The National Academies 500 5th St NW, Washington DC 20001 202 334 2605 cbrownstein(a)nas.edu cstb.org -where the nation turns for independent and informed assessments of computing, communications, and public policy ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as ILazar(a)burtongroup.com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/

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Re: Utah governor signs Net-porn bill
by David Barak 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

--- William Allen Simpson <wsimpson(a)greendragon.com> wrote: > I'm assuming that you really operate an ISP in Utah. > And that you are > willing to spend some time in jail at various times, > have $10,000 or so > for bail, and a few $100,000 for attorney fees -- > none of which you'll > get back even should you win. wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to simply get a lawyer and an engineer in the same room and brainstorm until you came up with something which pretty-much-worked(tm) and was at least arguably compliant with the law? There have been a couple of ideas bandied about on this list which are arguably compliant and technically simple. > > I've spent time in jail on principle. I'm glad to > see others are still > willing to stand up and be counted! This isn't a principle for which I'd gladly go to jail. All I'm saying is that it isn't the doom&gloom you're portraying - Utah politicians being difficult doesn't mean the end of free speech forever. Why not wait and see what happens? -David Barak need Geek-rock? Try The Franchise! http://www.listentothefranchise.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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FW: 72/8 friendly reminder
by Member Services 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

ARIN supports the idea of doing reachability testing on new /8 blocks issued by the IANA and will begin to set a plan in motion to move forward on this. Once more details have been worked out, we will notify the community. Regards, Leslie Nobile Director, Registration Services American Registry for Internet Numbers -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 1:51 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: 72/8 friendly reminder >> We were recently assigned a 72.244/16 allocation from ARIN. Friendly >> reminder that ARIN started allocating 72/8 since Aug. If you have a >> static bogon filters, can you please make sure they are updated. >> Thank > if you are really worried about this, and i can understand your being > so, then make it easy for the busy folk here (not those pontificating > on law and morals in the rocky mountains) to test. > give us an address we can ping. a bit more coffee made me realize that what might best occur would be for the rir, some weeks BEFORE assigning from a new block issued by the iana, put up a pingable for that space and announce it on the lists so we can all test BEFORE someone uses space from that block. randy

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RE: Vonage SUED over not clearly informing customers re 911 service lacking
by Network.Security 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

Re: "Your Call Will Go To A General Access Line at the Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP). This is different from the 911 Emergency Response Center where traditional 911 calls go." In talking with my local PSAP about VoIP services and this particular issue, they (PSAPs collectively) are fairly displeased with Vonage-like services and how it introduces delay into their process which is all about time sensitive information. With the advances in E911, cell phone location services, etc. which all increased the speed of identifying caller location and identity, residential VoIP services have set things back a fair amount. The "General Access" line that Vonage's text mentions means different things to different PSAPs and some (mine anyway) prioritize calls coming in on this line to the lowest queue and with some areas it may not even be answered outside of core operating hours or during high-call periods. I'm not saying (nor do I hope the PSAPs are either) that Vonage should cease and desist service because of the 911 issues, rather greater partnership needs to be initiated to insure that VoIP service and POTS have the same priority for 911 and that all possible information is transmitted in a timely manner for 911 dispatchers to get the right services to you as fast as possible. I read on a Vonage customer forum about "testing" your 911 service with them, I don't know that I'd advocate that as the PSAPs will likely be ticked. But again, it emphasizes a point about collaboration between Vonage and the areas it supports to insure customer safety. If you are a Vonage customer, I'd urge you to verify your 911 info with them. Sure you'll hopefully never need the service, but if your house is on fire or your child is choking or whatever the unfortunate event is, will you really be able to give them your full address and call-back number in a time of crisis? I hope so... Sorry about the soapbox, I have strong feelings on this one... - Scott Scott.altman(a)target.com Paid-on-call firefighter and network guy

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Re: Utah governor signs Net-porn bill
by David Barak 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

--- William Allen Simpson <wsimpson(a)greendragon.com> wrote: > So, Utah law _already_ means no links to Planned > Parenthood et alia. > Planned Parenthood is quite alive and well in Utah. Contraceptives are freely advertised on TV and given out on campus at the U of U. All of the other stuff you're seeing is either: 1) unenforcable old blue laws similar to how Native Americans need to be escorted by police in Massachussetts (i.e. they never got around to fixing old bad law, but noone cares anymore) 2) political posturing by elected officials (also relatively common in other parts of the world. c.f. US Congress, both parties) 3) Something which, while it COULD be extended to mean something ridiculous, will NOT be. For crying out loud - this is UTAH, not the moon: the people there are just like people everywhere. Yeah, they tend to be a bit more socially conservative than the libertarian-leaning NANOG membership is used to, but it's not like they've got 2 heads and three arms - if you prick them, they'll bleed... so while I agree that this is a goofy law which was poorly written - there IS a demand for this type of service, and we'll see how it plays out. -David Barak need Geek Rock? Try The Franchise! http://www.listentothefranchise.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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Re: Utah governor signs Net-porn bill
by David Barak 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

--- William Allen Simpson <wsimpson(a)greendragon.com> wrote: > Why other businesses? For example, no drug > companies or pharmacies > can have their businesses in Utah; they sell > contraceptives, and > generate information too sensitive for the tender > eyes of minors. This is not correct - on network TV in utah, and on the "family-friendly" cableco feed, you can see the various prophylactic manufacturers' ads. Many of the statements I've seen here are very "doom and gloom" about Utah - honestly, folks, it's not THAT bad. -David Barak need geek rock? Try The Franchise! http://www.listentothefranchise.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

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