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RE: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area)
by Hannigan, Martin 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of > Pete Templin > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:51 AM > To: Jay R. Ashworth > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Outage queries and notices (was Re: GBLX congestion in > Dallas area) > [ SNIP ] > > OK, make a separate list (i.e. nanog-alerts) with posting > restricted to > those on nanog-alerts-post, and we develop a policy for being > accepted/removed on the -post list. Easy enough. I think that these things are operational and belong here. Its' the level that ras is talking about and the content. Saying MCI has a massive fiber cut impacting 230 Congress IX vs. GBLX is not doing what I demand are very different types of outage posts. I'd like to see the higher level stuff we used to do and have some sort of information along with it vs. "i see a packet drop in XYZ". A prefix or something. That usually makes people go look. -M<

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Packet 8 / Eight x Eight contact
by J. Oquendo 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

If anyone knows of someone from Packet8/8x8, or if you're a Packet8 engineer please contact me offlist. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x97B43D89 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x97B43D89 To conquer the enemy without resorting to war is the most desirable. The highest form of generalship is to conquer the enemy by strategy." - Sun Tzu

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Re: Battery Maint in LEC equipment
by W.D.McKinney 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

>-----Original Message----- >From: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean@donelan.com] >Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2005 04:02 AM >To: 'David Lesher' >Cc: 'nanog list' >Subject: Re: Battery Maint in LEC equipment > > >On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, David Lesher wrote: >> Have any NANOG'ers [NANOGites? NANOGees?] run into this? Again, this >> is LEC owned, LEC maintained, equipment....Do you provide generator >> power for such in your space? > >Generally, the ILECs were the only ones that did this. I've had multiple >CLECs (Brooks, MFS, WilTel, etc) install fibermux cabinets, none of them >provided any backup batteries by default. They used local building power, >and we had to make sure they were connected to our backup generator. > >If you wanted to pay for it, some of the CLECs would add batteries. But >it wasn't part of the base package. > All the AT&T pops usually have nice battery and gen sets. That's what I like. Dee

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Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

I concur. - ferg -- Dave Stewart <dbs(a)dbscom.com> wrote: But I think NANOG is certainly an appropriate forum for medium/large-scale outages - unless someone's created an outage list someplace. I will agree that it's not the place to bitch about a vendor not giving more specifics, dumping on vendors in any way, actually... -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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RE: Slight OT: NASA World Wind project looking for support from network operators.
by Matt Mills 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

Since there seems to be a lot of list-related chatter suggesting we use bittorrent for our distribution needs, I'd like to respond on-list to those. Why we don't use Bittorrent for distribution of the program: Actually, theirs no real problem here, we have used bittorrent in the past. The only real issue is that there are so many non-savvy users, that most of the users just click past the bittorrent link and go straight for the HTTP links. Why we don't use Bittorrent for the distribution of the satellite data: This is just where P2P and satellite data don't mesh. In order for the program to work and not be incredibly frustrating and boring, the tiles (imagery and elevation) have to be loaded at a somewhat speedy rate. Due to the way P2P has to find and connect to peers before it can start downloading tiles, it is just too slow for it to work well (and not make everyone unhappy/ the program useless). The other problem here is that there is hundreds of gigabytes composing of millions of files, so to be able to get full coverage of just one dataset would be an enormous effort. I also received a few responses recommending Coral CDN. Unfortunately for the program, Coral has a file size limit of 50 MB (Client is currently 188 MB). Unfortunately for the satellite data, since there are so many small files, it would be quickly pushed out of the cache. Also, coral isn't all that speedy with responses, so it makes the program moderately sluggish. Also, while I'm posting, I'd like to ask if anyone has contact information for someone at Archive.org, could you please contact me with it? I've been trying to get in reach with someone over there but all my emails seem to find a black hole. Thanks to all. Matt Mills

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Onsite Generation: A Reminder [was: Battery Maint in LEC equipment]
by Frank Coluccio 08 Jun '05

08 Jun '05

There's been much said here and over in the Cybertelecom list recently about battery provisions by telcos and cable operators, but relatively little has been mentioned about onsite generation. I sometimes point my staff and clients to the messages that were posted here in NANOG, including those of my own, immediately following the attacks of September 11th and lasting into the next month or two. Many here will recall that at that time many hubs and enterprises alike in the downtown area of Manhattan, including the area's Internet exchanges and colos, received a first-hand lesson on the need to maintain preparedness with functioning generators, including fuel and spare parts. Not to mention the need to modify air intakes and exhausts for a new form of threat: Airborne Debris. Frank On Tue Jun 7 15:34 , Jerry Pasker sent: > >Even though it is fed with N+1 UPS power, Qwest put N+1 rectifiers & >batteries for their fiber cabinet they installed for me a few years >ago. At the time, batteries were required no matter what, and they >say they will replace them every 5 years. A little-town independent >telco however, refused to even install a data center fiber shelf >unless I provided them with DC power. It just seems to depend on the >whim of the telco. > >As prices fall, so does level of service. NANOGers all know >providing uninterruptible power in the current evolving networks is >hard as the communications infrastructure continues to decentralize. >Providing non stop power for long term power failures with generators >scattered all over the place is insanely hard. Keeping them running >during a widespread 'event' is even harder. Everyone wants (expects) >"always on" dial tone. And everyone wants cheap calling and cheep >bandwidth. Batteries, generators, and their maintenance/operation >are expensive. A resilient built network is much more expensive than >a non resilient one. Eventually the public will start to realize >this, and start to demand laws to maintain certain minimum levels of >service. It won't happen until some large disaster, or touching news >story about some preventable tragedy brings it in front of the >public. People will have to die for this trend to change. > >The non-reliable VOIP as a lifeline, even if it's not intended as >one, is the tip of this iceberg. > >(by the way, like many other forms of regulation, the same goes for >internet regulation.... if some shady network somewhere ever turns >out to be the root cause of some incident where a number of deaths >occur, regulation will soon follow) > >Aside from human error, right now the weakest link in the net is the >grid, and that is a link that isn't apparently getting any stronger.

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RE: GBLX congestion in Dallas area
by Paul Jasa 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Agreed. I joined Nanog initially to be alerted of medium/large-scale outages (used to work for a telco), but then I was pleasantly surprised by the deeper technical "edge" of most participants on this fabulous list. Best of both worlds, IMO. Thanks and regards to all, pj -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Fergie (Paul Ferguson) Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 6:53 PM To: dbs(a)dbscom.com Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: GBLX congestion in Dallas area I concur. - ferg -- Dave Stewart <dbs(a)dbscom.com> wrote: But I think NANOG is certainly an appropriate forum for medium/large-scale outages - unless someone's created an outage list someplace. I will agree that it's not the place to bitch about a vendor not giving more specifics, dumping on vendors in any way, actually... -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ The information contained in this e-mail and any attached documents may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient you may not read, copy, distribute or use this information. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your system.

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Problems with Qwest Frame Relay?
by John Neiberger 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

By any chance, are any of you seeing any problems with Qwest frame relay or iQ in Colorado? We just had a whole bunch of frame relay PVCs all over the area go down. I've opened a ticket with Qwest, of course, but I haven't heard back from them since I opened it and I'm now on eternal hold with their IP NOC. Have any of you heard anything? Did a frame relay switch bite the dust? Thanks, John --

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Re: Micorsoft's Sender ID Authentication......?
by Brandon Butterworth 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

> DomainKeys are the work of the devil Well it is one of the most untidy headers DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:x-mimeole:thread-index:in-reply-to:message-id; b=A7ZrgGGQFcA2+oJOMAHBFh6JTlNevGsVUn6qe8hx+7flOVzwxxJ6qB+V5EE3ylz0ZmILAfhBu6b3GKwDJdw0NfF4AqsshdQ0xEyvMpFHUytXunQ50ui37DQjqvk3KK+5SxYt4kbVhyk8UWn16Ory0MqKJJ5q12iITUtxIGIWLDs= brandon

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Is anyone from XO monitoring?
by Drew Weaver 07 Jun '05

07 Jun '05

Please contact offlist asap. Thanks, -Drew

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