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RE: Very funny: While Bush fiddles, New Orleans dies
by Church, Chuck 07 Sep '05

07 Sep '05

So how did this newspaper server end up with NANOG posting rights anyway??? Chuck Church -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew - Supernews Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:51 AM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: Very funny: While Bush fiddles, New Orleans dies >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick W Gilmore <patrick(a)ianai.net> writes: Patrick> Perhaps someone "in authority" can track and kill, er, ban Patrick> this luser? Which luser? The one who first thought it would be a good idea for newspaper sites to have a "mail this article to someone" feature that forges the sender address with no attempt to verify that the person making the request has the right to use that address? -- Andrew, Supernews http://www.supernews.com

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Re: While Bush fiddles, New Orleans dies
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 07 Sep '05

07 Sep '05

I absolutely am _not_ responsible in any way, shape, or form, for those messages. While some of my posts skirt the ever-changing topicality of the list, you have to admit -- I always send directly from my webmail account (wouldn't dream of sending from my corporate account :-) - ferg -- Robert E.Seastrom <rs(a)seastrom.com> wrote: "Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve(a)telecomplete.co.uk> writes: > wheres the ops in this? > > dont get me wrong, i'm sympathetic with new orleans and also > definitely not a bush supporter but this is verging on incitement > and i dont see the point of the post to here My guess: someone who doesn't like Paul (and there are plenty of people who have groused privately about his prolific posting of current news stories) is trying to make him look bad (or doing a savage parody, depending on how you look at it) by abusing the http://www.tribuneinteractive.com/ "mail someone this story" feature. Look at the headers... it was obviously sent by tribuneinteractive, and it's pretty unlike Paul to do something like this. So that's my hypothesis anyway. We'll wait till Paul is awake to be able to confirm or deny it. ---Rob -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: OT: Yahoo- apparently now an extension of the Chinese govt secret police....
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 07 Sep '05

07 Sep '05

This is not shaping up to be a very good month for Yahoo! all the way around -- at least PR-wise: http://techdirt.com/articles/20050907/0246214_F.shtml - ferg -- "Bob Arthurs" <bob_arthurs(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Way OT, but very interesting- don't know if anyone saw this article about Yahoo collaborating with the Chinese government's police (from the BBC): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4221538.stm If this is true, I for one will stop using Yahoo- I have spent alot of time in Asia myself, and I am very aware of the nature of the Chinese secret police. But if the article is true, I guess Yahoo doesn't care about the opinion of the regular consumer when they can curry favor with a repressive regime by informing on people. So, if you email friends in China from a Yahoo account, you have been warned! -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: While Bush fiddles, New Orleans dies
by Brandon Butterworth 07 Sep '05

07 Sep '05

> Look at the headers... it was obviously sent by tribuneinteractive, > and it's pretty unlike Paul to do something like this. I just binned them as a poor fake, obvious because they didn't have all the header cruft of real Paul message brandon

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level3.net in Chicago - high packet loss?!?
by Network Fortius 07 Sep '05

07 Sep '05

Anybody having any idea why such a high packet loss on lever3's network, in Chicago? Stef:~ scm$ mtr -r www.yahoo.com ... tbr1-p010802.cgcil.ip.att.net 0% 16 16 15.12 24.21 49.26 ggr2-p310.cgcil.ip.att.net 0% 16 16 13.18 42.66 118.99 so-1-1-0.edge1.chicago1.level3.net 0% 16 16 14.48 35.84 126.48 so-2-1-0.bbr1.chicago1.level3.net 63% 6 16 14.44 43.74 79.97 ^^^^^^^ as-1-0.bbr2.sanjose1.level3.net 0% 16 16 61.95 80.64 176.01 ge-10-2.ipcolo3.sanjose1.level3.net 0% 16 16 63.37 95.61 148.46 unknown.level3.net 0% 16 16 63.34 86.46 168.62 unknown-66-218-82-217.yahoo.com 0% 16 16 62.09 88.91 127.58 p4.www.scd.yahoo.com 0% 16 16 64.51 89.96 183.79 TIA, Stef Network Fortius, LLC

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While Bush fiddles, New Orleans dies
by fergdawg＠netzero.net 07 Sep '05

07 Sep '05

This story was sent to you by: Fergie (Paul Ferguson) -------------------- While Bush fiddles, New Orleans dies -------------------- Jimmy Breslin September 4, 2005 This is a review of the performance of George W. Bush in tight times in this nation. It might explain the single solitary most catastrophic collapse of American government in all of our times. Mark ye well. This was the week when we turned a major American city into Haiti, and racism put its hand out and started to choke a nation, and it may not let go. With the water coming from the sky and the bottom of the sea, driving with such ferocity that a major American city, New Orleans, followed its face into the water, George W. Bush was at North Island in Coronado, Calif., speaking to a blindingly white audience of 9,000 sailors in uniform. At the hour, blacks were drowning in New Orleans. Blacks pushed through water that was up to their chests and was thick with the rawest sewage of a major city. Blacks were on rooftops begging to live. Wherever cameras swept, the only thing that was white was a towel being waved by a black woman begging for help, while the tiny black legs of a baby dangled from her shoulder. Bush was in white Coronado to speak to a military audience on the anniversary of V-J Day. Get those sailors in their whites clapping. He barely seemed to understand there was a hurricane for the first three days. He was in Coronado, outside San Diego, and in his speech, he managed to mention New Orleans, by saying that people should not return to their homes until rescue crews could do their work. Nobody had to be told not to return to their homes because they don't have homes to return to, and no bus fare to go anywhere. He then told Americans to send donations to the Red Cross and the Salvation Army. How marvelous! His administration sends billions and billions of tax money to his personal war in Iraq to shoot up Fallujah for the third or fourth time since he started the war with his lies, and now he wants everybody to go out on the street and give forty dollars to hurricane charity. Bush's style is to be nowhere if things that carry a bit of fear happen. During Vietnam, he kept all dental appointments. For the World Trade Center attack, he first froze in a classroom in Florida. Then he flew off in his plane for long hours. Three days later, he got to New York where a flunky placed a retired firefighter, Bob Beckwith from Long Island, alongside him atop a truck. Then Bush called out a football dressing room speech over a bullhorn. Last week, he spoke in Coronado with the carrier Ronald Reagan parked in the background. This was his sixth visit to San Diego as president. In May 2003 Bush landed on the carrier Abraham Lincoln in the waters off San Diego. He wore a green flight suit, with a helmet under his arm. Why shouldn't he look like this? He was an American warrior. He changed into a business suit and spoke in front of a banner proclaiming, "Mission Accomplished." There have been nearly 1,800 bodies in boxes returned from Iraq since then. Friday, showing up on the fifth day of a national tragedy, Bush made a little humorous aside about the times he was in New Orleans celebrating too much. Beautiful! If he tried to walk fifty yards he could have tripped over somebody's dead black grandmother under a blanket. How do you like it? How do you like having a president who at a time like this reminisces about getting drunk in New Orleans? White boy with Daddy's money roaring at Mardi Gras in a town black for the rest of the year. If whites were in trouble in New Orleans, trust that his government would have been there early and the aid massive. This racism, which is at the bottom of everything in America, makes it only natural for Bush and his people to talk about turning to Rudolph Giuliani to save New Orleans as he supposedly saved New York after the World Trade Center attack. In New York, Giuliani did nothing but go on television. That's all he did and all he ever can do. Beautiful! There are television cameras in New Orleans. And just like Bush, Giuliani doesn't want many blacks near him. If more than two blacks entered City Hall, he called for snipers. Giuliani doesn't even have a show black like Condoleezza Rice, who bought shoes in Ferragamo in Manhattan this week. Bush got found out this week and he needs his own rescue. Assure Giuliani that he could run for president if he does the job. As New York found, he can do nothing good about anything. That doesn't matter. Without somebody in front, Bush stands there, uncovered, without an American flag draped around him, as the most incompetent president we've ever had. Copyright (c) 2005, Newsday, Inc. -------------------- This article originally appeared at: http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-d4411450sep04,0,6926861.column Visit Newsday online at http://www.newsday.com

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RE: SWIP and Rwhois in the Real World
by Greenhagen, Robin 07 Sep '05

07 Sep '05

Sorry, I misspoke. I am looking for alternatives to the RWHOIS that is 1.5x from verisignlabs and distributed at various places including rwhois.net. I agree with others that it is a bit obtuse. Regards, Robin Greenhagen GSI http://www.gsihosting.com/

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Nominations for Program Committee Membership
by Steve Feldman 07 Sep '05

07 Sep '05

The NANOG Steering and Program Committees are soliciting nominations for eight positions on the Program Committee, with two-year terms starting after the October 2005 meeting. According to the charter[1]: "The Steering Committee will select the Program Committee with at least half of the members being chosen from among those current members willing to continue service, in order to provide continuity and preserve institutional memory of the programming process." Therefore, eight Program Committee slots will be filled by candidates from this pool of volunteers and current PC members. (The remaining eight slots have terms ending at the Fall, 2006 meeting.) ** Procedure ** To nominate yourself or someone else, please send mail to nominate(a)nanogpc.org with the following, no later than Friday, September 23: - Your name - Nominee's name (if not you) - Nominee's email address - Nominee's phone number - Reasons why you believe the nominee is qualified to serve on the Program Committee. A committee member will contact each of the nominees to verify interest and possibly request additional information. The list of confirmed nominees will be posted on September 26. Public comments will be invited and accepted for one week. The Steering Committee, in conjunction with the current Program Committee, will then select the eight people to fill these positions. The results will be announced on Monday, October 10. ** Eligibility ** The charter states: "To be eligible to be appointed as a member of the Program Committee, an individual must have attended one NANOG meeting within the prior calendar year (12 months). " ** Duties ** Again quoting the charter: "The Program Committee is responsible for motivating/soliciting people to submit interesting talks, selecting the submissions which seem most appropriate (with some attention to presentation skills), and following up with speakers after acceptances to ensure that presentations are completed in time, with ample warning of potential problems with the presentation." "Each member of the Program Committee must review all presentations submitted for each meeting. The Chair may excuse a member from one meeting's review cycle due to extenuating circumstances, but if a member misses two meetings in a row, he or she may be removed from the committee." ** Length of term ** These positions are for two years, beginning after the Fall 2005 meeting, and ending with the Fall 2007 meeting. If you have any further questions, please post to the nanog-futures list, or contact the Steering Committee at steering(a)nanog.org. Randy Bush, SC Chair Steve Feldman, PC Chair [1] The full charter is available at http://www.nanog.org/charter.html

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Will Katrina aid sap 9/11 funds?
by fergdawg＠netzero.net 07 Sep '05

07 Sep '05

This story was sent to you by: Fergie (Paul Ferguson) -------------------- Will Katrina aid sap 9/11 funds? -------------------- BY DAN JANISON STAFF WRITER September 7, 2005 The catastrophe down South not only overshadows the latest commemoration of the 2001 terrorist attacks but threatens funding for at least one 9/11-related project in the city. One source of concern is the ability of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation to launch a planned nationwide fundraising campaign while tens of thousands of Americans are suddenly dispossessed. Through Web-site solicitations and corporate donations, the foundation has been aiming to raise $500 million through a campaign to be launched this week. Mayor Michael Bloomberg, in a news conference at Ground Zero Tuesday, as well as other officials speaking privately, said the effort will continue. But all acknowledged the competing concerns. "They certainly have a long ways to go, and yes ... there are always conflicting demands on the private sector to come up with a lot of moneys for a lot of worthy things," he said. "This is one of those worthy things, and I hope people will consider it." "We're confident that over the long term, people from across the nation will also help us to build the memorial," said Lynn Rasic, foundation spokeswoman. Bloomberg and others were more upbeat about big capital improvements already planned for lower Manhattan. One question mark continues to be the $2-billion rail project to Kennedy Airport in Queens. "I think with federal moneys you never have it until you cash the check," he said. "But I think the commitment is there, and I'm confident we'll be able to go ahead and do that." The rail link and the PATH train connection to New Jersey -- for which groundbreaking was held yesterday -- are funded through separate federal financing streams, he noted. Bloomberg said he's "reasonably confident" that both projects will proceed. The impact of Hurricane Katrina kept one prominent speaker after another at Tuesday's PATH groundbreaking referring to the devastation along the Gulf of Mexico. Sen. Hillary Clinton spoke in some detail of the devastation there and recalled how "America rallied to our side" in New York. Sen. Charles Schumer said the rebuilding under way in Manhattan should be a beacon of hope for those in the South. Staff writer Pradnya Joshi contributed to this story. Copyright (c) 2005, Newsday, Inc. -------------------- This article originally appeared at: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/nyc-wtc0907,0,5932746.story?coll=… Visit Newsday online at http://www.newsday.com

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Some school districts face new math this year
by fergdawg＠netzero.net 07 Sep '05

07 Sep '05

This story was sent to you by: Fergie (Paul Ferguson) -------------------- Some school districts face new math this year -------------------- Amid the usual excitement for kids is the reality of cuts in sports and buses from budget defeats BY JOHN HILDEBRAND STAFF WRITER September 7, 2005 While yellow buses rolled once again, hundreds of Long Island students and their parents still scrambled to cope with reductions in bus schedules and other school services resulting from last spring's record budget defeats. Most classes start this week -- an annual rite marked with the excitement of reuniting with classmates and exploring remodeled schools. But mixed with excitement is a sense of loss in many of the 21 districts operating under so-called austerity budgets. In Smithtown, students yesterday spent their first day at the district's reopened High School East in St. James -- a sprawling white-brick building complete with its own radio broadcast center and four computerized writing labs. Along with amenities there, students face cuts in services -- for example, elimination of late buses used in the past to take teens home after afternoon sports practices and club meetings. "We'll miss the late buses," said Liz Shea, president of the high school's newly organized Parent Teacher Student Association. Like many parents, she has helped organize a carpool to get her 11th-grade daughter home after soccer practices. On the other hand, Shea thinks most parents like the fact that the district now has a second high school -- a chance, perhaps, for students to get to know classmates and teachers better. The building opened as a high school in 1953, but had operated since 1989 as a middle school. In Port Washington, another district coping with budget cuts, some families threatened with losses of bus transportation got some relief yesterday. The district announced it would restore after-school busing to local child-care centers that it had earlier planned to trim. "Oh, that's fantastic!" said Deborah Ratner, a social worker, who had feared she wouldn't be able to find rides to a child-care center for her 8-year-old son on days she is scheduled to work. "It'll take a lot of pressure off my work day." Seventh- and eighth-grade sports teams have been reduced in number or eliminated in several districts, including Mineola, Seaford and Plainedge. In the latter district, parents have raised enough money in donations to save fall and winter sports on the varsity and junior-varsity levels, and are trying to rescue spring sports as well. "We're still plugging along," said Theresa Schaeffer, the mother of a Plainedge football quarterback and spokeswoman for a parent fundraising group. Schaeffer, who teaches in New York City, voiced regret over other cut programs that parents have not been able to salvage -- for example, her daughter's high-school Spanish club. Still, school routines go on. Inside Plainedge Middle School, students yesterday struggled with locker combinations and finding classes. Twelve-year-old Brittany Giordina shrugged when asked if budget cuts had affected how students felt about returning to school. "Not really," she said. "Nothing really has been taken from us education-wise." Elsewhere, the mood was often upbeat. In Westhampton Beach, families welcomed a district decision to distribute laptop computers to every sixth-, seventh- and eighth-grader. And in Roosevelt, state Education Commissioner Richard Mills visited the only school district run by the state to help mark the rebuilding of an elementary school there. The remodeled Centennial School opens to students tomorrow -- the first stage of a $200-million project aimed at eventually rebuilding or replacing every school in the district. "The music room, the computer sets, the bathrooms -- everything is right there and it looks wonderful," Mills said after touring the school. The commissioner also told an audience of about 200 teachers and others that the rebuilt school was the best evidence yet that Roosevelt was on the rise. In Westhampton Beach, 12-year-old Danielle Parry yesterday was looking forward to picking up her laptop. Last year, she was in a pilot program that leased a laptop for every sixth-grader. "I really liked math last year," she said. "We use a sketch pad. You don't have to use a compass to make circles. It's quicker, and we learn more." The experiment is costing the Westhampton Beach school district $375,000 to lease the laptops and required hardware and software for about 430 students and their teachers, who can access the Internet anywhere in the middle school. The goal isn't to increase computer literacy, according to Superintendent Lynn Schwartz. It's to open the door to a whole new way of teaching. Every classroom has a projector and whiteboard -- on which PowerPoint data are displayed electronically -- and all of the sixth-graders were doing PowerPoint presentations after a few weeks last year. "This is the 21st century classroom, right here," Schwartz said. The superintendent estimated 95 percent of the students in his school have home computers, but that does not mean the students can use them when they need to. "The laptop is easier," said Jesse Schulz, 12, who like Parry is starting seventh grade. "My computer at home is a desktop, and I have three brothers. A lot of the time, one of them is on it." Amid the excitement and confusion of the first days of school, some Island youngsters still had time to think of others. At Lawrence Road Middle School in Uniondale, Principal Valerie Henning-Piedmonte and her students raised $650 during lunch periods to donate to Gulf Coast hurricane victims. An eighth-grader, Aleisha Darrell, 13, said she and classmates came up with the idea of relief aid during a social studies class. Said Darrell, "Some gave $5, some gave $20, because they know they've got it good, and the people down there really need some help." Staff writers Mitchell Freedman and Karla Schuster contributed to this story. Copyright (c) 2005, Newsday, Inc. -------------------- This article originally appeared at: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-liskul0907,0,2889534.story?… Visit Newsday online at http://www.newsday.com

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