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by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 16 Dec '05

16 Dec '05

This report has been generated at Fri Dec 16 21:46:24 2005 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 09-12-05 173462 115580 10-12-05 173550 115583 11-12-05 173382 115649 12-12-05 173520 115694 13-12-05 173528 115697 14-12-05 173613 115972 15-12-05 175381 115997 16-12-05 173914 115881 AS Summary 21079 Number of ASes in routing system 8747 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1447 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 91250176 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 16Dec05 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 173587 115881 57706 33.2% All ASes AS4323 1184 233 951 80.3% TWTC - Time Warner Telecom AS18566 886 8 878 99.1% COVAD - Covad Communications AS4134 1010 254 756 74.9% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS721 1044 310 734 70.3% DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center AS22773 592 35 557 94.1% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. AS19916 563 65 498 88.5% ASTRUM-0001 - OLM LLC AS855 562 65 497 88.4% CANET-ASN-4 - Canadian Research Network AS7018 1447 961 486 33.6% ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS3602 532 104 428 80.5% SPRINT-CA-AS - Sprint Canada Inc. AS6197 965 577 388 40.2% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS11492 634 254 380 59.9% CABLEONE - CABLE ONE AS17488 430 61 369 85.8% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over Cable Internet AS17676 472 103 369 78.2% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS6467 402 54 348 86.6% ESPIRECOMM - e.spire Communications, Inc. AS812 370 27 343 92.7% ROGERS-CABLE - Rogers Cable Inc. AS9583 841 498 343 40.8% SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited AS9498 430 94 336 78.1% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS4755 606 278 328 54.1% VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System AS4766 616 289 327 53.1% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS15270 347 30 317 91.4% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS22047 380 87 293 77.1% VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A. AS14654 292 6 286 97.9% WAYPORT - Wayport AS5668 494 215 279 56.5% AS-5668 - CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS16814 295 31 264 89.5% NSS S.A. AS9929 319 56 263 82.4% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS18101 281 23 258 91.8% RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Data Centre, AS6140 432 190 242 56.0% IMPSAT-USA - ImpSat AS1239 839 598 241 28.7% SPRINTLINK - Sprint AS6167 329 97 232 70.5% CELLCO-PART - Cellco Partnership AS6478 516 284 232 45.0% ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet Services Total 18110 5887 12223 67.5% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.78.0/24 AS25994 NPG-001 - NPG Cable, INC 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 64.17.32.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.17.33.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.17.37.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.38.96.0/19 AS19654 HOSTING-NETWORK - HOSTING-NETWORK, INC. 64.127.128.0/17 AS19654 HOSTING-NETWORK - HOSTING-NETWORK, INC. 66.11.32.0/20 AS6261 VISINET - Visionary Systems, Inc. 66.11.224.0/20 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 66.37.96.0/20 AS3764 IA-HOU-AS - Internet America, Inc. 66.51.134.0/24 AS29876 LNTC - Latency LLC 66.96.0.0/20 AS3770 WORLDPATH-AS - WorldPath Internet Services 66.117.0.0/21 AS30033 NHI-NETWORKS - NHI Networks 66.117.8.0/24 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 66.117.9.0/24 AS30033 NHI-NETWORKS - NHI Networks 66.117.16.0/24 AS30033 NHI-NETWORKS - NHI Networks 66.117.18.0/24 AS30033 NHI-NETWORKS - NHI Networks 66.117.20.0/24 AS30085 NHI-COLOCATIONS - New Horizon Collocations 66.117.21.0/24 AS30033 NHI-NETWORKS - NHI Networks 66.117.23.0/24 AS31972 EMGINECONCEPT-01 - Emagine Concept, Inc. 66.117.25.0/24 AS31972 EMGINECONCEPT-01 - Emagine Concept, Inc. 66.117.26.0/24 AS31972 EMGINECONCEPT-01 - Emagine Concept, Inc. 66.117.27.0/24 AS31972 EMGINECONCEPT-01 - Emagine Concept, Inc. 66.186.192.0/19 AS19654 HOSTING-NETWORK - HOSTING-NETWORK, INC. 66.187.96.0/24 AS10026 ANC Asia Netcom Corporation 66.187.108.0/24 AS10026 ANC Asia Netcom Corporation 66.187.109.0/24 AS10026 ANC Asia Netcom Corporation 66.216.0.0/18 AS19654 HOSTING-NETWORK - HOSTING-NETWORK, INC. 66.235.158.0/23 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 72.10.0.0/19 AS23265 POCKETINET - Pocketinet Communications, Inc 85.129.3.0/24 AS14585 CIFNET - CIFNet, Inc. 85.129.4.0/24 AS14585 CIFNET - CIFNet, Inc. 90.192.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS Project. 90.255.248.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS Project. 91.192.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS Project. 91.255.248.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS Project. 125.213.0.0/16 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 131.64.0.0/12 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 132.0.0.0/10 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 138.136.0.0/13 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 151.135.0.0/16 AS4763 TELSTRANZ-AS TelstraClear Ltd 158.0.0.0/13 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 163.142.0.0/16 AS2500 JPNIC-ASBLOCK-AP JPNIC 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.43.230.0/24 AS7575 AARNET-AS-AP Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.44.0.0/24 AS5501 FRAUNHOFER-CLUSTER-BW Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCNET-AS - National Research Council of Canada 192.72.0.0/16 AS4780 SEEDNET Digital United Inc. 192.72.0.0/18 AS4780 SEEDNET Digital United Inc. 192.72.192.0/18 AS4780 SEEDNET Digital United Inc. 192.81.182.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.88.99.0/24 AS559 SWITCH SWITCH, Swiss Education and Research Network 192.96.36.0/24 AS5713 AFRINIC African Network Information Center 192.96.37.0/24 AS10474 AFRINIC African Network Information Center 192.96.135.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.96.136.0/23 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.96.140.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.96.143.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.96.145.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.96.177.0/24 AS6083 AFRINIC African Network Information Center 192.96.250.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.107.104.0/24 AS6458 GUATEL 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 PSCNI-AS - National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS10282 EQUANT-CEEUR EQUANT AS for Central and Eastern Europe region 192.136.53.0/24 AS8346 SONATEL-AS Autonomous System 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 193.0.246.0/24 AS3303 SWISSCOM Swisscom Solutions Ltd 193.32.19.0/24 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.32.20.0/23 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.36.1.0/24 AS8220 COLT COLT Telecommunications 193.37.69.0/24 AS2856 BT-UK-AS BTnet UK Regional network 193.37.236.0/24 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.110.77.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 193.110.78.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 193.110.79.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 194.31.227.0/24 AS21461 TRANSFAIRNET Transfair-net GmbH Krefeld 194.59.176.0/20 AS1273 CW Cable & Wireless 194.153.156.0/24 AS24865 KMITCHELL-AS Keith Mitchell's Network 194.246.72.0/23 AS8893 ARTFILES-AS Artfiles New Media GmbH 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM - Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.54.82.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 198.54.92.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 198.54.222.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 198.54.249.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 198.54.250.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 198.54.251.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.96.0/19 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.101.4.0/22 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCNET - Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.160.171.0/24 AS7046 UUNET-CUSTOMER - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GT-BELL - Bell Canada 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MTSAL-ASN - MTS Allstream Inc. 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP - Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL - SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS-AS - Skotos Tech, Inc 199.9.128.0/17 AS668 ASN-ASNET-NET-AS - Defense Research and Engineering Network 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 BCNET-AS - University of British Columbia 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.131.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS3541 ITSDN-U4 - DISA/UNRRA 199.114.136.0/24 AS27044 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 - DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS27064 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS27033 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.153.0/24 AS27034 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NEXTLEVELINTERNET - NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS - IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 199.246.116.0/24 AS813 UUNET-AS1 - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.58.113.0/24 AS19161 INNOCOM-TELECOM - INNOCOM TELECOM 202.86.252.0/22 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.86.253.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.86.254.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.86.255.0/24 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.90.33.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.40.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.41.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.42.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.43.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.44.0/24 AS9830 SWIFTONLINE-AS-AP SWIFT ONLINE BORDER AS 202.90.46.0/23 AS17747 ZIML-AP ZEE INTERACTIVE MUTIMEDIA LTD., BANGALORE 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.131.64.0/19 AS9381 NEWTT-IP-AP Wharf T&T Ltd. 203.13.171.0/24 AS1221 ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd 203.62.0.0/17 AS7575 AARNET-AS-AP Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.78.48.0/20 AS9299 IPG-AS-AP Philippine Long Distance Telephone Company 203.89.133.0/24 AS15412 FLAG-AS Flag Telecom Global Internet AS 203.89.134.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.138.0/24 AS9237 HUTCHCA-AS Corporate Access (HK) Ltd. 203.89.139.0/24 AS17911 BRAINPK-AS-AP Brain Telecommunication Ltd. 203.89.143.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.144.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.145.0/24 AS4637 REACH Reach Network Border AS 203.89.146.0/24 AS4637 REACH Reach Network Border AS 203.89.147.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.148.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.149.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.150.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.151.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.153.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.154.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.158.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.89.159.0/24 AS17557 PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 203.99.0.0/19 AS17746 ORCONINTERNET-NZ-AP Orcon Internet 203.99.142.0/24 AS9826 ILINK-HK-AP iLink.net Ltd 203.111.192.0/20 AS7473 SINGTEL-AS-AP Singapore Telecom 203.210.69.0/24 AS17536 PRODIGY-AS-AP Prodidgy Telecommunications 204.48.118.0/23 AS29912 CITIZENS-PROPERTY-INSURANCE-CORPORATION - Citizens Property Insurance Corporation 204.48.119.0/24 AS29912 CITIZENS-PROPERTY-INSURANCE-CORPORATION - Citizens Property Insurance Corporation 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.108.96.0/19 AS577 BACOM - Bell Advanced Communications Inc. 206.128.104.0/21 AS11709 VIC - VIRTUAL INTERACTIVE CENTER 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQ-AS - Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.191.96.0/19 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA - NuNet Inc 208.138.48.0/20 AS6971 ESCH - Eschelon Telecommunications, Inc. 209.40.192.0/21 AS6487 CyberNet de Guatemala S.A. 209.40.208.0/21 AS6487 CyberNet de Guatemala S.A. 209.40.216.0/21 AS6487 CyberNet de Guatemala S.A. 209.97.64.0/19 AS6132 INGRESSNET - Ingress Enterprises, Inc w/ Ingress Communications, Inc. 209.112.224.0/20 AS19817 DSLEXTREME - DSL Extreme 209.205.69.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.70.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.81.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.82.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.84.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.234.0.0/18 AS3845 STATE-NET - CS&W, Inc. 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM - SISCOM, Inc 216.37.110.0/23 AS4264 CERNET-ASN-BLOCK - California Education and Research Federation Network 216.71.224.0/20 AS23527 COTELLIGENCE - Cotelligence, Inc. 216.82.160.0/20 AS20481 CALYX-NL Calyx Internet B.V. Netherlands 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.228.64.0/21 AS6295 WHIDBEY1 - Whidbey Internet Services 216.228.224.0/20 AS13674 VRIS-AS-BLOCK-13661-13675 - Verizon Internet Services Inc. 216.240.240.0/20 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.240.242.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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Re: The Qos PipeDream [Was: RE: Two Tiered Internet]
by David Meyer 16 Dec '05

16 Dec '05

On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 07:34:56PM -0800, David Meyer wrote: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:29:29AM +0000, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > > > On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, John Kristoff wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 19:15:49 -0500 (EST) > > > Sean Donelan <sean(a)donelan.com> wrote: > > > > > > > AT&T, Global Crossing, Level3, MCI, Savvis, Sprint, etc have sold > > > > QOS services for years. Level3 says 20% of the traffic over its > > > > > > What do they mean by QoS? Is it IntServ, DiffServ, PVCs, the law of > > > > I think also mostly this applies to private network things as well... > > which mostly ends up being: "backups get 20% of the pipe and oracle-forms > > gets 70%" (or some variation on that mix... what with 8 queues or whatever > > on the private network you can just go to town :) ) > > > > Speaking to MCI's offering on the public network it's (not sold much) just > > qos on the end link to the customer... It's supposed to help VOIP or other > > jitter prone things behave 'better'. I'm not sure that we do much in the > > way of qos towards the customer aside from respecting the bits on the > > packets that arrive (no remarking as I recall). So, what does this get you > > aside from 'feeling better' ? > > > > > averages or something else? I've had to deploy it on a campus network > > > and in doing so it seems like I've tread into territory where few if > > > any big networks are to be found. Nortel apparently removed DiffServ > > > > most large networks (as was said a few times I think) don't really need it > > in their cores. I think I've seen a nice presentation regarding the > > queuing delay induced on 'large pipe' networks, basically showing that qos > > is pointless if your links are +ds3 and not 100% full. Someone might have > > a pointer handy for that? You might check slides 35-38 in http://www.1-4-5.net/~dmm/sprintlink_and_mpls.ppt Dave

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RE: The Qos PipeDream [Was: RE: Two Tiered Internet]
by a.harrowell 16 Dec '05

16 Dec '05

Yes. Best effort should be something to aspire to, not "worse than carrier grade" -----Original Message----- From: "Sean Donelan"<sean(a)donelan.com> Sent: 16/12/2005 00:15:49 To: "nanog(a)merit.edu"<nanog(a)merit.edu> Cc: Subject: RE: The Qos PipeDream [Was: RE: Two Tiered Internet] On Thu, 15 Dec 2005, Fergie wrote: > I think Bill Manning hit on it a couple of days ago; Bill said > something about the Internet being about best effort and QoS > should be (various) levels of 'better-than-best effort' -- and > anything less that best effort is _not_ the Internet. [truncated by sender]

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Man Charged With Stealing Costner's Laptop
by fergdawg＠netzero.net 16 Dec '05

16 Dec '05

This story was sent to you by: Fergie -------------------- Man Charged With Stealing Costner's Laptop -------------------- By Associated Press December 15, 2005, 10:49 PM EST ASPEN, Colo. -- An internationally known hairstylist is due in court Monday to face felony charges in the theft of Kevin Costner's laptop computer, which had private photos of the actor's wedding. Pascal Bensimon, 44, surrendered to sheriff's officials this week after a 14-month investigation. He was released on $5,000 bond. The computer contained photos of Costner's Sept. 25, 2004, wedding to Christine Baumgartner, which took place at his Aspen-area ranch. Bensimon, who has a salon in Aspen, had been hired to style hair for some of the wedding guests. He told the Aspen Daily News that someone put drugs into his drink at the wedding, and that he never stole Costner's $1,500 Apple Powerbook or a digital camera. Bensimon, who was born in Morocco and raised in Israel and France, worked in salons in Paris, New York and Atlanta before moving to Aspen, according to the Aspen Times. Costner, 50, is a veteran of such films as "Bull Durham," "Field of Dreams" and "Dances with Wolves." His latest movie -- "Rumor Has It," co-starring Jennifer Aniston, Shirley MacLaine and Mark Ruffalo -- opens Christmas Day. Copyright (c) 2005, The Associated Press -------------------- This article originally appeared at: http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/news/wire/sns-ap-people-costner,0,5397… Visit Newsday online at http://www.newsday.com

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RE: The Qos PipeDream [Was: RE: Two Tiered Internet]
by Hannigan, Martin 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

> > > Randy- > > I don't think your bank analogy is very strong, but never mind that. > > I agree with what you're saying in principle, that if a user/customer > buys bit delivery at a fixed rate then we should deliver it. But isn't that the point. You can't guarantee delivery, just as you can't guarantee you won't get a busy signal when you make a call. -M<

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RE: The Qos PipeDream [Was: RE: Two Tiered Internet]
by Schliesser, Benson 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

If the core is "well run" (not normally over-utilized) and the endpoints have adequate capacity, then you *can* guarantee the call. (where "guarantee" represents a quality *approaching* 100%, as defined in SLAs...) I assume we're not talking about poorly-run cores here. So what I think you're getting at is, when you don't control both endpoints (i.e., to ensure they have adequate capacity) then you can't make end-to-end guarantees. This is clearly true, in telephone networks as well as packet networks. But it doesn't lessen the value of QoS mechanisms. To reluctantly further the telephone analogy: If all 23 bearers on my PRI are busy I still might want to allow certain sources to complete calls to me, even if that means dropping an existing call. This is a local function that I can guarantee, which benefits end to end communication even if it doesn't guarantee it. And if I coordinate this local function at both endpoints then I'm back to my first statement, that you can guarantee end to end. Are you suggesting that QoS has no value unless it can do more than this? Or am I misunderstanding you? A more interesting question is how to make end-to-end guarantees between endpoints that are on different cores, assuming the endpoints themselves are under a common control. If the provider overrides customer QoS preferences, is this possible? Cheers, -Benson -----Original Message----- From: Hannigan, Martin [mailto:hannigan@verisign.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 December, 2005 16:00 To: Schliesser, Benson; Randy Bush Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: The Qos PipeDream [Was: RE: Two Tiered Internet] > > > Randy- > > I don't think your bank analogy is very strong, but never mind that. > > I agree with what you're saying in principle, that if a user/customer > buys bit delivery at a fixed rate then we should deliver it. But isn't that the point. You can't guarantee delivery, just as you can't guarantee you won't get a busy signal when you make a call. -M<

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RE: NAT Configuration for Dual WAN Router
by McLean Pickett 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

Joe - Linux can do this, check out: http://www.lartc.org/ More specifically: http://www.lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html and http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/#routes I am working on a redhat project that requires QoS over multiple VLAN's. I was reading up on tc and imq devices when I came across this information. Haven't tried this config, but it look like it should do what you want. McLean -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Joe Johnson Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:44 PM To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: NAT Configuration for Dual WAN Router I've been trying over and over to figure this one out, but I'm just hitting the end of my wits. We have a remote office that can only get 768Kbps DSL, which they've not totally maxed out. So management's solution now is to buy a second DSL line, but they won't let me buy a dual WAN router (in case they add a 3rd DSL line). I've found some great articles on how to get the interfaces working with 2 default gateways (I used this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/Spanning_Multiple _DSL s) and that is all running fine. It alternates every few minutes which WAN port is used when I traceroute yahoo.com (which is fine) and everything is connecting fine from the router. However, I can't figure out how to get NAT running on the server for the 2 WAN ports for clients inside the LAN. I can NAT to 1 DSL, but that is useless. What I am looking for is a tutorial in how to do this or a pointer to someone who can help. Anyone know of a resource for this? Joe Johnson joe(a)sendjoeanemail.com

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Re: who's receiving comvalid/bgpsentinel spam? (Re: BGP )
by Scott Weeks 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

----- Original Message Follows ----- From: paul(a)vix.com To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: who's receiving comvalid/bgpsentinel spam? (Re: BGP ) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:04:16 +0000 > is anybody else receiving this spam when they advertise a > new AS nowadays? (i'm trying to figure out which whois > information is being policy-violated and who to complain > about, but if i'm the only one receiving it, i may JHD.) I got one also. AS36149 scott > re: > > # From: "Antony Gullusci" <gullusci(a)comvalid.com> > # To: <paul_vixie(a)isc.org> > # Subject: BGP > # Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:09:19 +0100 > # X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 > # > # Hi! I am Antony Gullusci from Comvalid, and I'd like to > give you some # additional information on Comvalid and > what we can do for you, regarding # BGP. > # > # In the past 10 years, our mother company Inrete has made > a good name # managing Autonomous System and BGP routers. > # > # Now Comvalid offers to the broader market the precious > internal tools that # Inrete developed in order to manage > the Autonomous System of its clients. # > # Since you manage a newly announced AS, we propose you > free of charge, the # use of our BGPsentinel service for > one month. # BGPsentinel operates in the following way: > # > # 1) constantly sniffs in different points the BGP traffic > between BGP router # receiving the full Internet mesh > # 2) extracts and stores all the data regarding the AS > numbers and NETs of # interest, and stores such data in a > database # 3) generates intelligent and context rich > alarms, on the base of the # detected and stored info > # 4) makes all the history pertaining the collected data > always available for # post-debug and forensic > # > # You will have a user & password to access the data > regarding you systems, # and will be able to define > specific alarms to be sent to you by mail, after # one > month the only thing we will ask you is to fill a short > survey about the # service with your opinion and your > advices. # > # If you are interest in having a better control on what > happens to your NETs # and ASes, just reply me back > confirming that you are interested in having # the > following AS and NET's : 24051 # 203.119.20.0/24 > # > # Checked by BGPsentinel > # > # Looking forward to hear from you! > # > # Antony Gullusci > # Email gullusci(a)comvalid.com > # > # BGPsentinel Web http://www.comvalid.com/?pag=bs > # __________________________________________ > # Comvalid USA > # 35 Corporate Drive > # Burlington, Massachusetts 01803 > # Tel +1 (781) 583-7565 > # http://www.comvalid.com > #

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RE: The Qos PipeDream [Was: RE: Two Tiered Internet]
by Schliesser, Benson 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

Randy- I don't think your bank analogy is very strong, but never mind that. I agree with what you're saying in principle, that if a user/customer buys bit delivery at a fixed rate then we should deliver it. But as ISPs we don't sell this. As a network operator, I do sell various kinds of point-to-point connections with fixed/guaranteed rates. But when I sell "Internet", or L3VPN, etc., I'm selling end-to-end packet-switched full-mesh connectivity. In this service, not all endpoints are equal and traffic patterns are not fixed. I.e., the service is flexible. "QoS" is about giving the customer control over what/how traffic gets treated/dropped. It's not false advertising. That said, if QoS controls are used to enforce the provider's preferences and not the customers' then I might agree with the false advertising label. If the result is to have anti-competitive effects then I might have some harsher labels for it, too. Cheers, -Benson -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Randy Bush Sent: Wednesday, 14 December, 2005 22:32 To: Hannigan, Martin Cc: Fergie; nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: RE: The Qos PipeDream [Was: RE: Two Tiered Internet] > Can we build, pay for, and sustain an Internet that never has congestion > or is never "busy". s/never/when there are not multiple serious cuts/ would we build a bank where only some of the customers can get their money back? we're selling delivery of packets at some bandwidth. we should deliver it. otherwise, it's called false advertising. randy

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RE: monitoring Huawei routers with Cacti.
by Hannigan, Martin 15 Dec '05

15 Dec '05

> > Fellow Nanogers, > > In one of our WAN circuits we have a Huawei Quidway router. > Has anyone developed a Cacti template for monitoring that > kind of device? Configuring it to be seen as a "Cisco router" > doesn't work. > > > > Abraços, > Marlon Borba, CISSP. http://forums.cacti.net/about9702.html&highlight=huawei You could also drop a number off the snmp OID string and see what is being returned for values you can poll. At least you should be able to. -M<

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