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Courtney Love explains BGP
by Gadi Evron 16 Aug '06

16 Aug '06

This is quite informative, in a surprising fashion. It is not often we get something of the funny sort in the BGP realm. Please avoid it if sensitive to the.. more rude type of content. http://www.routergod.com/?p=40 This is one way to lighten the mood on NANOG, and at the same time insert some clue into our minds. :) Gadi.

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AS 8437 announced a quarter of the net for half of an hour
by Josh Karlin 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Greetings, Today (Aug 14th 2006) AS 8437 announced 63 /8 nets from 14:30 to 15:00 UTC. I don't believe that this is normal, but please correct me if I am wrong. More info can be found at the Internet Alert Registry here: http://cs.unm.edu/~karlinjf/IAR/prefix.php?filter=most If you come to this 24 hours of the event, you can go here: http://cs.unm.edu/~karlinjf/IAR/search.php and do an Hijacker AS search on 8437. If you would like to see the routes as they happened from a RIPE viewpoint, please check out this very cool site: http://stats.sunet.se/bgpsearch/ Following is the list of announced nets: 1/8 2/8 5/8 7/8 23/8 27/8 31/8 36/8 37/8 39/8 42/8 49/8 50/8 77/8 78/8 79/8 92/8 93/8 94/8 95/8 96/8 97/8 98/8 99/8 100/8 101/8 102/8 103/8 104/8 105/8 106/8 107/8 108/8 109/8 110/8 111/8 112/8 113/8 114/8 115/8 116/8 117/8 118/8 119/8 120/8 173/8 174/8 175/8 176/8 177/8 178/8 179/8 180/8 181/8 182/8 183/8 184/8 185/8 186/8 187/8 197/8 198/8 223/8

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Regulatory - North Americas - Internet Access
by Ben Butler 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Hi, Hoping someone may be able to help. Could someone please point me in the direction of any legislation / regulations that would effect providers of "Internet access" (DSL & Metro Ethernet) services to residential and business customers located in the US and Canada. Am I correct in my understanding that a Canadian registered company will also be able to sell services in the US because of NAFTA (and visa versa). But that without a domestically registered company in the US or Canada (i.e. a UK company), this would cause problems, tax / financial or regulatory in provision of communication services in North America. While we are on the subject we were looking at Bell Canada and New Edge for Wholesale DSL. If there are other people think I should be looking at as well please private mail me. Both the above are PoPed in Vancouver/Seattle and that is where I was looking to pick up the Wholesale Networks. TIA Kind Regards Ben Butler ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ C2 Internet Ltd Globe House The Gullet Nantwich Cheshire CW5 5RL E mailto:ben.butler@c2internet.net W http://www.c2internet.net/ B http://c2internet.blogspot.com/ T +44-(0)845-658-0020 F +44-(0)845-658-0070 C2 Internet - company blog <http://feeds.feedburner.com/C2Internet-CompanyBlog> All quotes & services from C2 are bound by our standard terms and conditions which are available on our website at: http://www.c2internet.net/legal/main.htm#tandc

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Fwd: Blogger post failed
by Derek J. Balling 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Who forwards NANOG posts to a blogger gateway? You, me, and a claw- hammer need to have a chat. Begin forwarded message: > From: postgateway(a)blogger.com > Date: August 14, 2006 12:30:17 PM EDT > To: deballing(a)vassar.edu > Subject: Blogger post failed > > Blogger does not accept multipart/signed files. > > Error code: 7.1DC3E6B > > Original message: > From: deballing(a)vassar.edu > Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:13:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: SORBS Contact > None -- Derek J. Balling Manager of Systems Administration Vassar College 124 Raymond Ave Box 0406 - Computer Center 217 Poughkeepsie, NY 12604 W: (845) 437-7231 C: (845) 249-9731

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Re: SORBS Contact
by Robert Bonomi 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

> From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Wed Aug 9 22:00:58 2006 > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: SORBS Contact > From: Allan Poindexter <apoindex(a)aoc.nrao.edu> > Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 20:59:36 -0600 > > > Matthew> so would you consider as it is my network, that I should > Matthew> not be allowed to impose these 'draconian' methods and > Matthew> perhaps I shouldn't be allowed to censor traffic to and > Matthew> from my networks? > > If you want to run a network off in the corner by yourself this is > fine. If you have agreed to participate in the Internet you have an > obligation to deliver your traffic. Obligation to _whom_? My only obligations are to those who _pay_ me for access to my systems/resources. If the people who *do* pay me for use of my systems/resources "don't want" that cr*p, then I do 'have an obligation' to _not_ deliver that traffic. And _how_ I implement that, to the satisfaction of =my= customers, is NONE OF _YOUR_ BUSINSESS, since you are *not* one of my paying customers. I don't have to tell _you_ what I do; I don't have to listen to any of your 'complaints'; and I sure-as-hell don't have to defend, _to_you_, what I do. > At LISA a couple of years ago a Microsoftie got up at the SPAM > symposium and told of an experiment they did where they asked their > hotmail users to identify their mail messages as spam or not. He said > the users got it wrong some small percentage amount of the time. I > was stunned at the arrogance and presumption in that comment. You > can't tell from looking at the contents, source, or destination if > something is spam because none of these things can tell whether the > message was requested or is wanted by the recipient. The recipient is > the only person who can determine these things. Do *you* _KNOW_ how hotmail came up with that determination that 'users got it wrong some small percentage of the time'? If you *don't*, you are exhibiting _at_least_ as much 'arrogance and presumption' as you accuse them of. I *KNOW*FOR*A*FACT*, that some people _do_, occasionally 'get it wrong'. I, _personally_, have done it. Be it an 'off-by-one' error in selecting and marking the message, to a long-delayed response to something _I_ sent, and that came in _without_ reference to what I sent, errors *DO* happen. Note: it can be _really_ easy to figure out if/when people mis-identify 'spam'. You ask them to classify a bunch of old messages, presented one at a time. You present the _same_ message *more*than*once*. If they mark it is 'good' three times, and 'spam' once. Then they *did* 'get it wrong' -- it's not certain _which_ way they 'got it wrong', but it *IS* absolutely certain that they did 'get it wrong' "at least once". I've seen some of the stuff AOL _users_ flag as 'spam' -- "content analysis" *alone* virtually guarantees that they were flagged in error. Things like college acceptance letters from Division I schools, bank overdraft notices, NDRs for mail they themselves *sent*, 'delivery receipts' and/or 'read receipts' that they had _requested_ on mail they sent out, etc., etc. > > There are simple solutions to this. They do work in spite of the > moanings of the hand wringers. In the meantime my patience with email > "lost" silently due to blacklists, etc. is growing thin. If you want 'reliable' delivery, you _pay_ the recieving system (and the intermediaries) for that service. Your lack of patience with something other people _give_ you the free use of is, quite simply, an inexcusable display of arrogance and presumption.

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Qwest engineer
by J. Oquendo 15 Aug '06

15 Aug '06

Can a Qwest engineer send me an offlist email pertaining to a DS3. -- ==================================================== J. Oquendo http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1383A743 GPG Key ID 0x1383A743 Fingerprint: 7B02 28CF 24D3 ACA7 9907 789A 8772 7736 1383 A743 26:0608031813:J. Oquendo::fNaE6zH/HDTggYKS:005zLMj sil . infiltrated @ net http://www.infiltrated.net The happiness of society is the end of government. John Adams

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Re: i am not a list moderator, but i do have a request
by Fergie 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

For what it's worth, there _is_ a botnet discussison list: General information about the mailing list is at: http://www.whitestar.linuxbox.org/mailman/listinfo/botnets - ferg -- Thomas Kuehling <thomas.kuehling(a)packetloss.biz> wrote: Dear all, On So, 2006-08-13 at 15:17 -0600, Danny McPherson wrote: > Interestingly enough, I lurk here 99.999% of the time. I comment > on this thread and folks ask to move it to a non-SP mailing list? > Perhaps > non-operational, but this certainly has direct implications on SPs and > I'm of the opinion it's quite relevant - well, certainly as relevant > as the > past recent threads: i waited to view, where this discussion will go, but that's exactly the point. In my opinion, it's really interesting and necessary to be informed about topics like botnets. It would be a failure, when this topics won't be discussed anylonger on this list. Also it isn't that a big problem, to filter topics for himself for relevance or of no relevance. Just my two cents. Regards Thomas Kuehling -- Thomas Kuehling - TK2325-RIPE Hoehestrasse 28 - 61348 Bad Homburg vor der Höhe - Hessen Jahnstrasse 6 - 26219 Boesel - Niedersachsen -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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New Laptop Polices
by Cullen, Michael 14 Aug '06

14 Aug '06

Greetings all, Given the new threats and the change in policy with the airlines and traveling in and around the UK, has anyone changed their laptop and portable computing device policy? We are being questioned about the safety of executives traveling with their laptops. Thank You, Michael Cullen Global Security, Universal Music Group 818 286-5473 (w) | 818 919-6974 (c) UMG GSO Michael (aim) | UMG.GSO.Michael (gtalk) | michael.cullen(a)umusic.com (msn) The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that it is strictly prohibited (a) to disseminate, distribute or copy this communication or any of the information contained in it, or (b) to take any action based on the information in it. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer.

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Re: i am not a list moderator, but i do have a request
by Fergie 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

My personal opinion is that _some_ bitnet issues are indeed relevant to the NANOG list, but that's just me. :-) I mean, it _does_ affect network ops at times... - ferg -- Thomas Kuehling <thomas.kuehling(a)packetloss.biz> wrote: Dear Fergie, On So, 2006-08-13 at 21:49 +0000, Fergie wrote: > For what it's worth, there _is_ a botnet discussison list: > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://www.whitestar.linuxbox.org/mailman/listinfo/botnets thanks, didn't know about it. But isn't it still usefull, when urgent matters concerning botnets will still discussed on the nanog-list? Please let me disabussed to it, but it's just my opinion. Regards Thomas > - ferg > > > -- Thomas Kuehling <thomas.kuehling(a)packetloss.biz> wrote: > > Dear all, > > On So, 2006-08-13 at 15:17 -0600, Danny McPherson wrote: > > > Interestingly enough, I lurk here 99.999% of the time. I comment > > on this thread and folks ask to move it to a non-SP mailing list? > > Perhaps > > non-operational, but this certainly has direct implications on SPs and > > I'm of the opinion it's quite relevant - well, certainly as relevant > > as the > > past recent threads: > > i waited to view, where this discussion will go, but that's exactly the > point. In my opinion, it's really interesting and necessary to be > informed about topics like botnets. It would be a failure, when this > topics won't be discussed anylonger on this list. Also it isn't that a > big problem, to filter topics for himself for relevance or of no > relevance. > > Just my two cents. > > Regards > Thomas Kuehling > > > -- > Thomas Kuehling - TK2325-RIPE > Hoehestrasse 28 - 61348 Bad Homburg vor der Höhe - Hessen > Jahnstrasse 6 - 26219 Boesel - Niedersachsen > > -- > "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson > Engineering Architecture for the Internet > fergdawg(at)netzero.net > ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: mitigating botnet C&Cs has become useless
by Arjan Hulsebos 13 Aug '06

13 Aug '06

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:10:50 -0700, Rick Wesson wrote: >Last sunday at DEFCON I explained how one consumer ISP cost American >business $29M per month because of the existence of key-logging botnets. Maybe so, but that argument doesn't buy me more helpdesk folks. The same holds true for the bandwidth argument, especially now that bandwidth is dirt cheap. On the other hand, it shouldn't be too difficult to come up with a walled garden profile for subs that have infected PCs, basically allowing only access to a filtering proxy, so these subs can download their patches and antivirus updates through it. Gr, Arjan H

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