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Verizon Looking Glass
by Tim Donahue 05 Sep '06

05 Sep '06

Does anyone know if Verizon has a publicly accessable looking glass? There is not one listed on bgp4.net nor could I find one searching Google. Off-list is fine if that is preferred. Tim Donahue

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Feedback on providers who offer communities that restrict route propagation
by David Ulevitch 05 Sep '06

05 Sep '06

Hi, I'm looking at a number of transit providers in Europe who offer communities that will limit the scope of an announcement by geographic region. For example if you are AS1 you can tell upstream AS2 to propagate your announcements only to peers and neighbors within EU, but not those in the NA or AP regions. This helps networks with unique routing policies. (If you're curious what these might be, just ping me offlist) I'm looking for feedback from people who have done this before. All advice, experiences (preferably with what upstream ASNs) is helpful. Our concerns are basically that this puts a management and engineering aspect of our network into someone else's hands to not mess up. I already know we deal with peers who leak routes, but my guess is that since this is a business relationship with the upstream network they are less likely to bork it up and hopefully manage it programatically. Wishful thinking or sound practice/service offered by high-quality carriers? My questions are thus: 1) I'd this to find out how reliable it is/was (were your routes ever leaked)? 2) How effective it is/was (did it accomplish your goals)? 3) Advice you might have for someone who is considering doing this? Providers to shy away from? Providers who are pretty good? Thanks, David Ulevitch

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NNTP feed.
by Drew Weaver 05 Sep '06

05 Sep '06

Does anyone know if cogent offers NNTP feeds to their DIA customers? Before we take the plunge we need to know and the sales fellas werent able to tell me this. -Drew

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NZNOG 07 - Call for Participation and Papers
by Simon Lyall 05 Sep '06

05 Sep '06

NZNOG 07 - Call for Participation and Papers The next conference of the New Zealand Network Operators' Group is to be held in Palmerston North, New Zealand between 31 January and 2 February 2007. Our host is Inspire.net and the venue is to be at Massey University's campus. NZNOG meetings provide opportunities for the exchange of technical information and discussion of issues relating to the operation and support of network services, with particular emphasis on New Zealand. The conference is low priced and has a strong technical focus with the aim and history of getting a strong turnout of technical personal from New Zealand Internet orientated companies. Conference Overview ------------------- NZNOG 2007 will consist of one day Special Interest Group ( SIG ) Meetings followed by two days of conference presentations. There will also be opportunity for more informal and small lightening talks. These are typically around five minutes long and are organised closer to the actual conference. Important Dates --------------- Call for Papers opens: 5 September 2006 Deadline for speaker submissions: 20 October 2006 Responses to speaker submissions: 27 October 2006 Draft program published: 1 November 2006 Final program published: 18 December 2006 NZNOG 2007 Conference: 31 January - 2 February 2007 SIG Meetings ------------ The first day of the conference is arranged as parallel tracks to cover subject material which is of interest to particular groups of attendees. Proposals are requested for workshops, tutorials and other appropriate special-interest meetings of interest to Network Operators. Topics which have been successful in the past, or have been requested for this year are: * Advanced BGP gubbins * IPV6 implementation * Service Provider wireless networking * VoIP * BIND and DNSSEC * MPLS and high performance IP backbone routing * Systems Administration. The program committee will consider proposals for tutorials in any of these or new areas. There is a single day of SIGs with up to five running concurrently. If you have an idea for a tutorial subject that is not listed, please feel free to submit it to us. Conference Presentations ------------------------ The main conference program for 2007 will be made up of two days with a single stream where possible. Presentations don't need to fit any particular fixed length and can be from 30 minutes to 3 hours in length. NZNOG conferences have traditionally spanned the entire operational spectrum, and then some. Proposals for conference presentations are invited for virtually any topic with a degree of relevance to the NZNOG community. Past years' talks have included the following: - Internet exchange operations - Global anycast networks and the building thereof - Peering, peering, and peering - Network security - 10GB ethernet operations - Advanced networks in NZ - Current Internet research in NZ - Wireless networking - QOS over carrier networks - Content distribution networks and media streaming If you are interested in submitting a talk please fill out the questions at then end of this document and email them to talks(a)nznog.org . Submission Guidelines --------------------- When considering a presentation or SIG, remember that the NZNOG audience is mainly comprised of technical network operators and engineers with a wide range of experience levels from beginners to multi-year experience. There is a strong orientation to offer core skills and basic knowledge in the SIGs and to address issues relevant to the day-to-day operations of ISPs and network operators in the conference sessions. The inclusion of a title, bio, topic, abstract, and slides with proposals is not compulsory but each will help us determine the quality of your proposal and increase the likelihood it will be accepted. Final slides are to be provided by 22 January 2007. Note: While the majority of speaking slots will be submitted by 20 October 2006, a limited number of slots may be available for presentations that are exceptionally timely, important, or of critical operational importance. The NZNOG conference is a TECHNICAL conference so marketing and commercial content is NOT allowed within the program. The program committee is charged with maintaining the technical standard of NZNOG conferences, and will therefore not accept inappropriate materials. It is expected that the presenter be a technical person and not a sales or marketing person. The audience is extremely technical and unforgiving, and expects that the speakers are themselves very knowledgeable. All sessions provide time for questions, so presenters should expect technical questions and be prepared to deliver insightful and technically deep responses. Funding and Support ------------------- NZNOG conferences are community run and funded events that try to keep the cost to attendees as low as possible so generally we are unable to pay the travel costs of speakers. There is a limited amount of funding available to international speakers. Conference presenters will not have to pay any registration fee for the day they are presenting. Discounts for SIG and lightning talk presenters may be available but are not automatic. Lightning talks --------------- Lightning talks are short talks/presentations that last no more than 10 minutes. This is a good opportunity to get your pet topic out there or perhaps to get some experience with presenting without having to go to a full talk. At NZNOG'07 it is planned that there will be at least one hour long lightning talk session. Sponsors -------- There are opportunities remaining for organisations to sponsor various aspects of the NZNOG meeting. Please contact sponsorship(a)nznog.org for more information Contact ------- Website * www.nznog.org General Enquiries * info(a)nznog.org Talks and Papers * talks(a)nznog.org Talk Proposals -------------- Please send all talk proposals (including lightning talks) to talks(a)nznog.org along with the requested information. Questions regarding talks can be sent to the same address. Sponsorship may be available for a limited number of overseas speakers to attend the conference, please indicate if you require assistance with travel and/or accommodation. Author's Full Name: Author's Email Address: Author's affiliation: Author's short biography: Title of Talk: Abstract: Length of talk: Please provide details if a version of this talk has previously been given: Will travel and accommodation assistance be required:

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Re: Spain was offline
by Martin Hannigan 05 Sep '06

05 Sep '06

>Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 08:50:29 -0400 >From: Joe Abley <jabley(a)ca.afilias.info> >Subject: Re: Spain was offline > > [ SNIP ] >You seem to be suggesting that ISPs run stealth slaves for these >kinds of zones. This may have been a useful pointer for ISPs in days >gone by, but I think today it's impractical advice. How so? Anyone can get a zone and turn up [a-m] on-net and outperform (response and uptime) many of the existing instances of root servers. I'm quite confident it would work as designed. Where's Dean Anderson when you need him? -M< -- Martin Hannigan (c) 617-388-2663 Renesys Corporation (w) 617-395-8574 Member of Technical Staff Network Operations hannigan(a)renesys.com

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AFNOG 2007 ANNOUNCEMENTS
by Randy Bush 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

AfNOG and AfriNIC Joint Announcement: Meetings in April/May 2007 8th AfNOG Meeting AfriNIC-6 Meeting The African Network Operators' Group (AfNOG) and the African Network Information Centre (AfriNIC) are pleased to announce that the 8th AfNOG Meeting and the AfriNIC-6 Meeting will be held in Abuja, Nigeria, in April/May 2007. About the entire event AfNOG and AfriNIC are jointly organizing a two-week event that includes the AfNOG Workshop on Network Technology (offering advanced training in a week-long hands-on workshop), several full-day Advanced Tutorials, a one-day AfNOG Meeting, and a two-day AfriNIC Meeting. In addition, several side meetings and workshops will be hosted in collaboration with other organizations such as the AAU and ISOC. Further information about the event may be found at <http://www.afnog.org/afnog2007/> and <http://www.afrinic.net/meeting/>. Timetable AfNOG Workshop 23 - 27 April 2007 (Sunday - Friday) AfriNIC IPV6 W/shop 28 - 29 April 2007 (Saturday - Sunday) AfREN Meeting 28 - 29 April 2007 (Saturday - Sunday) AfNOG Tutorials 29 - 30 April 2007 (Sunday - Monday) AfriNIC LIR W/shop 30 April (Monday) AfNOG Meeting 1 May 2007 (Tuesday) AfriNIC-6 Meeting 2 - 3 May 2007 (Wednesday - Thursday) INET Africa Day 4 May 2007 (Friday) Venue The exact venue has not yet been finalized. Updated information will be made available at <http://www.afnog.org/afnog2007/> and <http://www.afrinic.net/meeting/>. About AfNOG AfNOG (see <http://www.afnog.org/>) is a forum for cooperation and the exchange of technical information between operators of Internet-connected networks in Africa. AfNOG has organized an event like this one every year since 2000. About AfriNIC AfriNIC (see <http://www.afrinic.net/>) is a Regional Internet Registry (RIR), responsible for Internet Number resources Mangement in the Africa region. AfriNIc organizes two Public Policy meetings every year (see <http://www.afrinic.net/meeting/>).

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Clueful Contact at Cingular
by jonathan＠optyweb.com 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

Can anyone connect me to someone with some clout at Cingular? I'm trying to get in touch with someone for their net ops. before going public with some issues they've been having. Cheers, jonathan ----- Jonathan Lassoff 0xC8579EE5

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bgp.potaroo.net down
by Hank Nussbacher 04 Sep '06

04 Sep '06

bgp.potaroo.net (port 80) has been down now for 2 days. Anyone around in Telstraland? Thanks, Hank Nussbacher http://www.interall.co.il

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BCP Question: Handling trouble reports from non-customers
by Owen DeLong 02 Sep '06

02 Sep '06

I think my previous post may have touched on a more global issue. Given the number of such posts I have seen over time, and, my experiences trying to report problems to other ISPs in the past, it seems to me that a high percentage of ISPs, especially the larger ones, simply don't allow for the possibility of a non-customer needing to report a problem with the ability to reach one of their customers. I'm curious how people feel about this. As I see it, there are a number of possible responses: 1. Don't help the person at all. Tell them to contact the customer they are trying to reach and have the customer report the problem. This seems, by far, to be the most popular approach in my experience, but, it makes for a very frustrating experience to the person reporting the problem. 2. Accept any trouble report and attempt to resolve it or determine that it is outside of your network. This approach is the least frustrating to the end user, but, probably creates a resource allocation and cost problem. 3. Have a procedure for triage which allows a quick determination if the problem appears to be within your network. Using that procedure, reject problems which appear to be outside of your network while accepting problems that appear to be within your network. It seems to me that option 3 probably poses the best cost/benefit tradeoff, but, it is the approach least taken from my observations. So, I figured I'd try and start a discussion on the topic and see what people thought. Feel free to comment on list or directly to me (I'll summarize), but, if you want to tell me I'm off-topic or whatever, please complain directly to me without bothering the rest of the people on the list. I believe that this is an operational issue within scope of Nanog, but, I can see the argument that it's a business practices question instead. Owen

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Clueful contact at Register.Com?
by Deepak Jain 02 Sep '06

02 Sep '06

Anyone have a clueful contact at Register.Com? Their front-line customer support is saying we need to talk to a dept that is supposedly 24/7 but they won't give its name or its extension. Our customer has asked to help them resolve an issue regarding a domain that is on registrar-hold and register.com is not telling anyone why or who over there can resolve it or when. If they were still public this customer is would be issuing a huge press release to the overnight wires... they are big enough. Thanks, DJ

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