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Status as of Friday COB @ Boutillers, Port au Prince, Haiti
by Eric Brunner-Williams 24 Jan '10

24 Jan '10

[sent to a smaller distribution yesterday evening, now to NANOG for wider information and coordination purposes, ebw] All I am looking into booking Reynold's wife and children into short-term lodging in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic or in a nearby island. There has been some progress on an escort ground transport (to Santo Domingo, D.R.), which will allow Reynold to stay on-site and maintain a non-zero critical technical resource at the Boutilliers Data Center. There are some signs of progress on the visa and/or parole paperwork necessary to move Dominique, Nikki and Aurelia to Florida, where one of Reynold's two (US nationals) sisters live. However, "soon" isn't a term with a fixed date. There has been fuel resupply, with sufficient fuel to run through the weekend (sounds familiar, neh?). With respect to the other core staffers at this facility: Stéphane Bruno, administrative contact for the .ht Country Code, has left Haiti with his family. They are currently in Washington, D.C. Max Larson Henry, technical contact for the .ht Country Code, has lost one member of his immediate family, and has taken another member of his immediate family to hospital. He is not available to assist in the operation of the telecommunications and datacommunications infrastructure at Boutillers. Reginald Chauvet, the owner of the Data Center in Boutillers, in which the .ht Country Code registry is a tenant, has left Haiti with his family. They are currently in Maimi. All the critical telecom infrastructures are located at the Data Center in Boutillers, which contains the Internet Exchange Point, is hosted in ths Data Center. There are technicians present in the environment, for whom Mr. Guerrier has coordinated their shelter, feeding and basic needs, but no other technical resources capable of operating any of the NAP/IX/relay problems, as they arise. The transport date isn't fixed, but I expect it will be within the next 48 hours. The end-to-end, PaP-to-SD time is 5 hours, road and boarder control included in the time budget. If Reynold has to provide the escort himself he will be off-site for at least twice that period, possibly as long as 48 hours, complications costed in. The nearby island routing is via air, and preferable, but has a paperwork dependency. As Rod Beckstrom will be doing a public availability in the early evening of the 27th in Washington, D.C., and I've a real job to do from time to time (for CORE), I plan to be in Washington on the 27th. If anyone wants to meet at the Beckstrom event venue [1] or near by drop me a line. Eric [1] http://blog.icann.org/2010/01/public-meet-up-with-icann%E2%80%99s-ceo-in-wa… Date: 27th January 2010 17:00 to 19:00 local time Place: Buffalo Billiards, Victorian Room, 1330 19th Street, Washington DC 20036 Map: http://tinyurl.com/yakmr9t

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Best Practices - BGP community to signal transit announces.
by Patrick Tracanelli 24 Jan '10

24 Jan '10

Hello Nanogers, I am acting as transit for a number of ASNs, and my upstream peers do filter my announces (as they should as I understand). Therefore I am in the way to set up a community agreement with 'em asking 'em to allow my transit announces for a certain community I wil signal 'em up. Therefore, I have two doubts which I would like to share and hear out your opinions. Is there any best practices or RFC which shall suggest how this community should be set up? Say, while I do standardize this community to be MY-ASN:1 or MY-ASN:65501, is there a difference? Which community numbers should be used for this purpose, if there are any best practice for this? Other than that, I remember Randi Bush's thread on signaling the upstream provider with communities, where a "use with caution" warn was issued[1]. Therefore, is my scenario a "dont" in the "dos and donts" list of practices on signaling the upstreams? If for some reason I should avoid setting up a community for that, whats the other better way to solve it, instead of asking for all upstream providers, one-by-one to allow the transit prefix to be announced via me? I have searched for their own existing communities and, while some up peers do have an adequated community already in place for that, they wont allow me to announce prefixes in their communities, and not everyone will have a comm for that purpose. [1]http://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2009-November/014767.html Thanks.

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Anyone see a game changer here?
by Bruce Williams 24 Jan '10

24 Jan '10

Part of the discussion of recent attacks by targeted email to individuals crafted to deceive that particular individual based on intelligence gathered for this use by governments. "The alleged attacks from China are troubling on many fronts. On Thursday, security firm McAfee released a report saying the program used to target U.S. firms involved a so-called "zero day" vulnerability -- one that was to this point unknown to the security community, and thus indefensible by anti-virus software. The flaw involved Microsoft's Internet Explorer, McAfee said. Microsoft says it is working quickly to provide a software patch. But the malicious software attacks other software flaws too, McAfee said, adding this ominous note: "There very well may be other attack vectors that are not known to us at this time." "These highly customized attacks known as advanced persistent threats were primarily seen by governments and the mere mention of them strikes fear in any cyberwarrior,” wrote McAfee's George Kurtz in a blog post today. “They are in fact the equivalent of the modern drone on the battle field. With pinpoint accuracy they deliver their deadly payload and once discovered - it is too late…All I can say is wow. The world has changed. Everyone's threat model now needs to be adapted to the new reality of these advanced persistent threats. In addition to worrying about Eastern European cybercriminals trying to siphon off credit card databases, you have to focus on protecting all of your core intellectual property." Mark Rasch, former head of the Department of Justice computer crime unit, called the attacks “cyberwarfare,” and said it was clearly an escalation of a digital conflict between China and the U.S. As if the old threat models weren't bad enough... Bruce

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Re: Daily Industry and Government call for Commuinications infrastructure (fwd)
by Reynold Guerrier 24 Jan '10

24 Jan '10

To all I received yesterday morning from Mr. Montaigne Marcelin, Director of Conatel the aid that has been given by Codetel to help the technicians in the Telecommunications sector: 1. 9 packs of rice 60 Kg 2. 2 packs of beans 60 Kg 3. 2 containers of oil 30 pounds each 4. 4 herring boxes 5. 354 containers of pica pica 6. 2 boxes of plastic spoon 7. 110 packs of water 8. 4 boxes of polystyrene plate 9. 2 packs of maggi 10. 1 pack of salt 11. 4 boxes of tomato pasta 12. 3 rations of bananas 13. 7 packs of spaghetti 14. 4 gallons of hot sauce The distribution of this aid is being coordinated by Napoleon Richard (509-3746-5849) an associates member of the board of AHTIC. This aid is provided to support the needy technicians families while they are making themselves available to work, Thanks to Mr. Edwin San Roman from CODETEL and all of you on the NANOG list that has been pushing for that. Regards Reynold Guerrier Treasurer AHTIC Network Engineer 509-3446-0099 On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Edwin S. Roman <esanr(a)indotel.gob.do>wrote: > Ok > > Enviado desde mi dispositivo BlackBerry® de Claro Dominicana > ------------------------------ > *From: * Reynold Guerrier <reygue(a)gmail.com> > *Date: *Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:47:09 -0400 > *To: *Edwin S. Roman<esanr(a)indotel.gob.do> > *Subject: *Re: Daily Industry and Government call for Commuinications > infrastructure (fwd) > > See you in 1 hour. > > Reynold > > On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Edwin S. Roman <esanr(a)indotel.gob.do>wrote: > >> I am in the embassy >> >> Enviado desde mi dispositivo BlackBerry® de Claro Dominicana >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * Reynold Guerrier <reygue(a)gmail.com> >> *Date: *Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:26:32 -0400 >> *To: *Edwin S. Roman<esanr(a)indotel.gob.do> >> *Subject: *Re: Daily Industry and Government call for Commuinications >> infrastructure (fwd) >> >> Hi Edwin I just got your message where can we meet? >> >> Reynold >> >> On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Edwin S. Roman <esanr(a)indotel.gob.do>wrote: >> >>> Reynol >>> >>> I am in haiti. Can you contact me >>> >>> Enviado desde mi dispositivo BlackBerry® de Claro Dominicana >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: * Reynold Guerrier <reygue(a)gmail.com> >>> *Date: *Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:33:46 -0400 >>> *To: *Burton, K Joseph<BurtonKJ(a)state.gov> >>> *Cc: *Edwin S. Roman<esanr(a)indotel.gob.do>; Steven G. Huter< >>> sghuter(a)nsrc.org>; Lett, Steven W<LettSW(a)state.gov>; Garrity, Wendy SMaj >>> USMC USSOUTHCOM/SC-ES (L)<Wendy.Garrity(a)hq.southcom.mil>; >>> McLaughlin,Anydrew J.<Andrew_J._McLaughlin(a)ostp.eop.gov>; Ferguson, >>> David (ODP/OD)<dferguson(a)usaid.gov>; Huang, Zheng (ODP/OD)< >>> zhuang(a)usaid.gov>; Ross,Alec J<RossAJ(a)state.gov>; Vint Cerf< >>> vint(a)google.com>; Jose Dominguez<jad(a)ns.uoregon.edu> >>> *Subject: *Re: Daily Industry and Government call for Commuinications >>> infrastructure (fwd) >>> >>> I just got Allen on the phone one more time. He let me know that it was a >>> problem with the power supply of this particular OC3. So they just switch to >>> a backup one. >>> >>> Reynold >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Burton, K Joseph <BurtonKJ(a)state.gov>wrote: >>> >>>> Reynold and/or Edwin, could you please advise of what the problem >>>> is? >>>> >>>> Joe Burton, U.S. Department of State, >>>> >>>> ( Detailed to the U.S. Haiti Telecom Task Force) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Reynold Guerrier [mailto:reygue@gmail.com] >>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2010 4:55 PM >>>> >>>> *To:* Edwin S. Roman >>>> *Cc:* Steven G. Huter; Burton, K Joseph; Lett, Steven W; Garrity, Wendy >>>> S Maj USMC USSOUTHCOM/SC-ES (L); McLaughlin, Anydrew J.; Ferguson, David >>>> (ODP/OD); Huang, Zheng (ODP/OD); Ross, Alec J; Vint Cerf; Jose Dominguez >>>> *Subject:* Re: Daily Industry and Government call for Commuinications >>>> infrastructure (fwd) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Edwin >>>> >>>> I just got Allen Bayard on the phone, he told me he is aware of the >>>> problem. He just arrived in Boutillers Hill he is in touch with Jeremy from >>>> CODETEL. He can be reached at 509-3701-7777. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Reynold >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Reynold Guerrier <reygue(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Let me call you. >>>> >>>> Reynold >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Edwin S. Roman <esanr(a)indotel.gob.do> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Reynold : >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We need support urgent in Botellier. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am writing you inmediatelly with the details >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Edwin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Reynold Guerrier [mailto:reygue@gmail.com] >>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2010 5:35 PM >>>> *To:* Edwin S. Roman >>>> *Cc:* Steven G. Huter; Burton, K Joseph; Lett, Steven W; Garrity, Wendy >>>> S Maj USMC USSOUTHCOM/SC-ES (L); McLaughlin, Anydrew J.; Ferguson, David >>>> (ODP/OD); Huang, Zheng (ODP/OD); Ross, Alec J; Vint Cerf; Jose Dominguez >>>> *Subject:* Re: Daily Industry and Government call for Commuinications >>>> infrastructure (fwd) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HI Edwin >>>> >>>> I just talk to Mr. Montaigne Marcelin, he told me that the aid is being >>>> coordinated and will be distributed on Sunday. He will let me know the exact >>>> hour. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Reynold >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 4:07 PM, Edwin S. Roman <esanr(a)indotel.gob.do> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Reynold: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am back tomorrow in Haiti, we keep in touch and coordinate the >>>> delivery of the fuel. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Edwin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Reynold Guerrier [mailto:reygue@gmail.com] >>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2010 3:35 PM >>>> *To:* Edwin S. Roman >>>> *Cc:* Steven G. Huter; Burton, K Joseph; Lett, Steven W; Garrity, Wendy >>>> S Maj USMC USSOUTHCOM/SC-ES (L); McLaughlin, Anydrew J.; Ferguson, David >>>> (ODP/OD); Huang, Zheng (ODP/OD); Ross, Alec J; Vint Cerf; Jose Dominguez >>>> >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: Daily Industry and Government call for Commuinications >>>> infrastructure (fwd) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HI Edwin >>>> >>>> I was at the embassy this morning. There was nobody to get me the fuel. >>>> Montaigne is unreachable on the phone. >>>> >>>> Reynold >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Edwin S. Roman <esanr(a)indotel.gob.do> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear Reynold: >>>> >>>> Have you pick up the fuel from de Dominicanan Embassy? >>>> >>>> Have you contact Marcelin Montagne for the food? >>>> >>>> I am in Dominican republic now. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Edwin >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Reynold Guerrier [mailto:reygue@gmail.com] >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:00 PM >>>> To: Steven G. Huter >>>> Cc: Burton, K Joseph; Lett, Steven W; Garrity, Wendy S Maj USMC >>>> USSOUTHCOM/SC-ES (L); McLaughlin, Anydrew J.; Ferguson, David (ODP/OD); >>>> Huang, Zheng (ODP/OD); Edwin S. Roman; Ross, Alec J; Vint Cerf; Jose >>>> Dominguez >>>> Subject: Re: Daily Industry and Government call for Commuinications >>>> infrastructure (fwd) >>>> >>>> Yes Steve >>>> >>>> Still waiting. >>>> >>>> Reynold >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Steven G. Huter <sghuter(a)nsrc.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> A plea to all copied in this message... >>>> >>>> Reynold has written from Haiti this morning to say that they are >>>> still in need of food and water for the Haitian Internet and communications >>>> technicians, and their families. If they have to spend all of their time >>>> trying to find food, they cannot work on restoring the critical >>>> communications infrastructure so that the rest of the relief and rebuilding >>>> efforts can be more efficient and effective. >>>> >>>> We know there are efforts, but Reynold says it has been to >>>> chaotic for them to do anything other than wait in long lines for one meal >>>> at a time. >>>> >>>> Can someone from State Dept or USAID or Indotel please get in >>>> touch directly with Reynold to coordiante delivering a supply of food to the >>>> Haitian techs ? >>>> >>>> Below Reynold ask for enough food so they can have a supply to >>>> keep and consume for a few days at a time, so they can work and not worry >>>> about finding food each day. >>>> >>>> Thanks to all who are helping in many ways >>>> >>>> Steve Huter, NSRC >>>> http://www.nsrc.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:02:09 -0800 >>>> From: Reynold Guerrier <reygue(a)gmail.com> >>>> To: Steven G. Huter <sghuter(a)nsrc.org> >>>> Subject: Re: Daily Industry and Government call for >>>> Commuinications >>>> infrastructure >>>> >>>> >>>> Merci Steve >>>> >>>> J'ai vu l'offre de Edwin et j'avais fait chercher de la >>>> nourriture pour les >>>> techniciens hier. Mais la distribution de cette aide est tres >>>> cahotique et >>>> les gens perdent beaucoup de temps pour l'avoir. En plus ils >>>> fournissent de >>>> la nourriture toute cuite au jour le jour. Ce qui demande aux >>>> techniciens de >>>> laisser leur poste et d'aller faire la queue pendant de longues >>>> heures. Ce >>>> qui revient a la meme chose que j'essaie d'eviter. >>>> >>>> Ce serait plus interessant de leur donner des choses qu'ils >>>> peuvent >>>> conserver et consommer en temps et lieu. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sur le terrain, le moral est bon et avec votre aide on gardera le >>>> reseau en >>>> vie. >>>> >>>> Reynold >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Reynold Guerrier wrote: >>>> >>>> Good Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We'll keep in touch and I will let you. My big >>>> concerns now is to have >>>> food, >>>> water, tents for my technicians and their >>>> families. To keep them on site >>>> and we need to provide them the basic needs for >>>> themselves and their >>>> families. As things are getting worse they might >>>> wanna go to take care of >>>> their families. All you can provide will be good. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Reynold >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Ferguson, David >>>> (ODP/OD) < >>>> dferguson(a)usaid.gov> wrote: >>>> >>>> Stephane and Reynold, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I expect you are plugged in to these >>>> calls but just in case. There is a >>>> daily call with Government and Industry >>>> that is focused on needs of >>>> service >>>> providers in Haiti that you and others >>>> have. Logistics for transport of >>>> equipment, fuel and other key needs are >>>> covered. If you have anything you >>>> can provide in writing as Andrew requests >>>> below that is great but don't >>>> let >>>> a need go unnoticed if undocumented. Get >>>> it brought up on this call. >>>> >>>> 2pm EDT 800-882-3610, code 8339656# >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave Ferguson >>>> Director - Global Development Commons >>>> >>>> office 202-712-4252 >>>> mobile 703-625-6868 >>>> dferguson(a)usaid.gov >>>> web site: globaldvelopmentcommons.net >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Andrew McLaughlin [mailto: >>>> andrew.mclaughlin(a)gmail.com] >>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 11:15 PM >>>> *To:* sbruno(a)websystems.ht; >>>> reygue(a)gmail.com; Ferguson, David (ODP/OD) >>>> *Cc:* Steven G. Huter; Jose A. Dominguez; >>>> Andrew McLaughlin >>>> *Subject:* Introduction: USAID >>>> >>>> Stephane and Reynold: >>>> >>>> First, please know that my thoughts are >>>> with you and your families; I >>>> fervently hope that your loved ones are >>>> OK. >>>> >>>> Second, I want to introduce you to Dave >>>> Ferguson from USAID. He is >>>> responsible for matching >>>> Internet/telecom/IT needs with resources and >>>> support from the US. To do that, we need >>>> to know what needs / >>>> requirements >>>> / requests the Haitian ISPs and IXP have. >>>> Please let us know what your >>>> needs are, and we will do whatever we can >>>> to find ways to meet them. >>>> We'd >>>> like to help Multilink, as well as Access >>>> Haiti and the other Haitian >>>> ISPs. >>>> I would assume that there are at least >>>> three needs: (1) additional >>>> backhaul in/out of Haiti, via VSAT or >>>> similar, (2) last-mile wireless >>>> access >>>> points and receivers, and (3) >>>> routing/switching hardware, fuel, etc. >>>> >>>> Third, did the fuel successfully arrive >>>> at Boutillier Hill? >>>> >>>> --andrew >>>> >>>> -- >>>> andrew mclaughlin >>>> andrew.mclaughlin(a)gmail.com >>>> +1.202.525.6515 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> =================================== >>>> Reynold Guerrier >>>> IT Consultant >>>> 509-3446-0099 >>>> IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com >>>> Skype: reygji >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> =================================== >>>> Reynold Guerrier >>>> IT Consultant >>>> 509-3446-0099 >>>> IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com >>>> Skype: reygji >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> =================================== >>>> Reynold Guerrier >>>> IT Consultant >>>> 509-3446-0099 >>>> IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com >>>> Skype: reygji >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2638 - Release Date: 01/22/10 >>>> 03:34:00 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> =================================== >>>> Reynold Guerrier >>>> IT Consultant >>>> 509-3446-0099 >>>> IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com >>>> Skype: reygji >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2638 - Release Date: 01/22/10 >>>> 03:34:00 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> =================================== >>>> Reynold Guerrier >>>> IT Consultant >>>> 509-3446-0099 >>>> IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com >>>> Skype: reygji >>>> >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2638 - Release Date: 01/22/10 >>>> 03:34:00 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> =================================== >>>> Reynold Guerrier >>>> IT Consultant >>>> 509-3446-0099 >>>> IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com >>>> Skype: reygji >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> =================================== >>>> Reynold Guerrier >>>> IT Consultant >>>> 509-3446-0099 >>>> IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com >>>> Skype: reygji >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> =================================== >>> Reynold Guerrier >>> IT Consultant >>> 509-3446-0099 >>> IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com >>> Skype: reygji >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> =================================== >> Reynold Guerrier >> IT Consultant >> 509-3446-0099 >> IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com >> Skype: reygji >> > > > > -- > =================================== > Reynold Guerrier > IT Consultant > 509-3446-0099 > IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com > Skype: reygji > -- =================================== Reynold Guerrier IT Consultant 509-3446-0099 IM: reygue(a)hotmail.com Skype: reygji

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Re: Anyone see a game changer here?
by charles＠thewybles.com 24 Jan '10

24 Jan '10

When did this become slashdot? Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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looking for Rogers Wireless DNS contact
by Jan Koum 24 Jan '10

24 Jan '10

hi there, looks like Rogers Wireless is the only mobile carrier in the world that does not want to resolve our server hostname correctly. anybody from Rogers Wireless here who can help or can point me in the right direction? thanks, -- jan

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Re: Anyone see a game changer here?
by Robert Bonomi 23 Jan '10

23 Jan '10

> From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi.com(a)nanog.org Fri Jan 22 21:16:53 201G > Subject: Re: Anyone see a game changer here? > From: Steven Bellovin <smb(a)cs.columbia.edu> > Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:16:03 -0500 > To: Bruce Williams <williams.bruce(a)gmail.com> > Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org > > > On Jan 22, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Bruce Williams wrote: > > > The problem with IE is the same problem as Windows, the basic design > > is fundementally insecure and "timely updates" can't fix that. > > You do realize, of course, that IE is recording less than half the = > security flaw rate of Firefox? (See = > http://prosecure.netgear.com/community/security-blog/2009/11/web-browser-v= > ulnerability-report---firefox-leads-the-pack-at-44.php) "The number of discovered bugs in any application is finite. The number of _undiscovered_ bugs in that same application, is, by definition, infinite." "Statistics don't lie, but...." *GRIN*

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CRISISTELCOM2 is entry for Helping
by Everett Batey 23 Jan '10

23 Jan '10

If you replied to prior post for CRISISTELCOM .. or are new .. Please, sign up at <nanog(a)nanog.org>CRISISTELCOM2 our entry point to assist with broad-scope telecommunication needs in disaster as CRISIS HAITI, today, and others in the future. Welcoming engineers, managers, ideas for all electronic communications which are needed and often lost in disasters. Contact signups crisistelcom2(a)googlegroups.com for http://groups.google.com/group/crisistelcom2 This is for tech and business volunteers to help, spammers and advertisers will be banned. Ev Batey -- WA6CRE -- efbatey(a)gmail.com CCHaitiLA a/k/a lioneverett(a)gmail.com or efbarc(a)cotdazr.org (805) 616-2471 Twitter.: efbatey - CCHaitiLA: http://bit.ly/6jWfkQ ASC-USC http://bit.ly/5vzKH6

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Re: Using /31 for router links
by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG 23 Jan '10

23 Jan '10

Stephen Sprunk <stephen(a)sprunk.org> wrote: > Ah, but who's to say that all PTP links are WANs? Are you really going > to run an OC-48 from one router to another _in the same building_ when > you need 1Gb/s between them? Can't say - I have never needed that much bandwidth. :) I still live in an alternate Universe where 10 Mbps coaxial Ethernet for LANs is near- infinity and 2 Mbps or so makes for a *very* sweet WAN. The facility housing the mail server from which I am sending this message is connected to the outside Inet via a 384 kbps SDSL pipe which I am using basically as ARPANET replacement - I miss the ARPANET. If I wanted a PTP link between two routers in the same building that runs at the same speed as my Ethernet (10 Mbps), I would use EIA-422 (which is rated up to 10 Mbps) and run something HDLC-based over it. > Even for MANs or WANs, the price of a pipe (plus equipment at each end) > will still often be significantly lower for Ethernet than for "real" > circuits Wait a moment here. With a MAN/WAN involving wires/fiber running over public property, what one is paying for is the right to use those wires for your data, right? The wires themselves do NOT run Ethernet at the electrical level, so if you have some "MAN/WAN Ethernet" service, there is a black box of some kind that converts the native electrical signal format to Ethernet. Why not take that black box out of service, use it for baseball practice (Office Space style), and use the exact same wires/fiber (rented at exactly the same monthly recurring price) in its native non-Ethernet form? IOW, if you are renting dry copper / dark fiber, you have a choice to use it either through a stinky "black box" Ethernet converter or in the native non-Ethernet form directly, but the monthly recurring cost remains exactly the same. > Well, it'd certainly be nice if someone would make something even > cheaper than Ethernet for that purpose (which would squeeze out a few > more bits of payload), but so far nobody has. It's hard to beat > Ethernet on volume, and that's the main determinant of cost/price... But that's non-recurring equipment cost only, and at least in my case the little investment in V.35 etc hardware is a much lower cost than the price of pain and suffering with Ethernet for a purist like me. MS

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Re: Using /31 for router links
by msokolov＠ivan.Harhan.ORG 23 Jan '10

23 Jan '10

Brielle Bruns <bruns(a)2mbit.com> wrote: > Back in the days of Rhythms and Copper Mountain gear, Netopia had the D > series routers which were actually xDSL to DSU units. Yes, I am very familiar with them: http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/existing_cpe/netopia/dsu.html As that page explains, they are only pseudo-DSUs though. I much much prefer a true bit-transparent DSU: http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/existing_cpe/xsb2000.html I have also designed and built an SDSL to EIA-530 DSU of my very own: http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/OSDCU/ On the latter I have the hardware (the page above has a photo of the board), but the operational software (or firmware if you will) remains to be finished. > Though, I'm not sure they'd work these days, Only in the very limited geographic footpring of what used to be DSL.net - they are the last remaining semi-major operator of CM DSLAMs: http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/OpenSDSL/megapath.html My big goal is to make my own DSU which I have just mentioned function as a Layer 2 converter (FRF.8 and friends) from Nokia SDSL/ATM served by Covad to HDLC. > nor do I think > they came in ADSL models either. I don't think anyone have *ever* used V.35 & friends with ADSL - probably because those who would want V.35 (i.e., people like me) would find ADSL morally offensive. :-) MS

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