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RE: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group
by Arjan van der Oest 01 Mar '10

01 Mar '10

Skeeve wrote: > Are you really serious about that? The issues seem to me much bigger than > competition though. Yes sir, in theory/conceptually. > The ITU - being an RIR wouldn't satisfy what it seems to setting out trying to > do. Making them an RIR under the current system seems pointless as they aren't > giving off much of a 'team player' vibe... more a fanatical religious > vibe.. They will just define their own policies - which in the end may have an > actual realised negative impact on the routing system - the details of which are > for a different discussion. Again: as long as they don't interfere with IANA and RIR's and assuming there is no aluminum hat conspiracy that tries to achieve world-domination-via-ipv6 I wish them all the best. If they wish to implement some ridiculous policies concerning the assignment of IPv6 space via the ITU, let them. The result will be that all the telco's and ISP's will continue to use the current RIR's and ITU will prove their existence is useless. > Given that the ITU, like the RIR, are a member driven system.... that to me > suggests that there are specific members who are pushing for this... I've heard > 'Syria' being tossed around as an agitator in this... but that there are other > supporters who are not happy with the US Government dominance/control of the > process. Which I can imagine, without the urge to start a political discussion here :) > But the RIR system has been running for a long time... and 'not badly' for the > most part.... so why do we really need to change anything? Why are people so scared of change? It's not a bad thing... > Really.. if there were MASSIVE problems with the RIR system, the members would > have kicked some ass a long time ago. Imho there is no massive problem with the RIR system, although there is always room for improvement. Again, my only point is: allocating space to ITU may settle whatever worries they have. I'm just trying to point out that competition (and change) are not a bad thing and I'm reluctant to start seeking conspiracies about world domination via ipv6. Let's see what it is ITU is *really* trying to get done, let's chat about it and then let's see what is wise. With all respect to Sven Kamphuis, that is exactly the reaction I would not see as the best towards the UN and ITU. Just my 2 cents -- Met vriendelijke groet / Kind Regards, Worldmax Operations B.V. Arjan van der Oest Network Design Engineer T.: +31 (0) 88 001 7912 F.: +31 (0) 88 001 7902 M.: +31 (0) 6 10 62 58 46 E.: arjan.van.der.oest(a)worldmax.nl W.:www.worldmax.nl W.:www.aerea.nl GPG: https://keyserver.pgp.com/ (Key ID: 07286F78, fingerprint: 2E9F 3AE2 0A8B 7579 75A9 169F 5D9E 5312 0728 6F78) Internet communications are not secure; therefore, the integrity of this e-mail cannot be guaranteed following transmission on the Internet. This e-mail may contain confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail. Use of this e-mail by any person other than the addressee is strictly forbidden. This e-mail is believed to be free of any virus that might adversely affect the addressee's computer system; however, no responsibility is accepted for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. All the preceding disclaimers also apply to any possible attachments to this e-mail.

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Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group
by Andy Davidson 01 Mar '10

01 Mar '10

On 01/03/2010 14:04, Arjan van der Oest wrote: > Andy wrote: >>> Competition is not a bad thing. >> Competition would be if I could approach the NCC or Pepsi Cola for my >> integers for use on the internet. It is not competition if the >> government makes me ask them for some integers. > Assuming that ITU would become a nationwide alternative RIR, you still > have the choice to approach NCC, wouldn't you? Why would this automatically be the case ? If governments were required to distribute addresses via the national regulator, then the freedom of choice would NOT be the case. > Not sure if Pepsi would be the right comparison for the ITU ;-) My point entirely. :-) Andy

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Re: [members-discuss] Re: RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group
by Jon Morby | fido 01 Mar '10

01 Mar '10

On 1 Mar 2010, at 14:04, Arjan van der Oest wrote: > Andy wrote: > >>> Competition is not a bad thing. > >> Competition would be if I could approach the NCC or Pepsi Cola for my >> integers for use on the internet. It is not competition if the >> government makes me ask them for some integers. > > Assuming that ITU would become a nationwide alternative RIR, you still > have the choice to approach NCC, wouldn't you? > > Not sure if Pepsi would be the right comparison for the ITU ;-) > Oh I don't know ... the whole concept leaves a nasty taste in my mouth ... :) > -- > Met vriendelijke groet / Kind Regards, > Worldmax Operations B.V. > > Arjan van der Oest > Network Design Engineer > > T.: +31 (0) 88 001 7912 > F.: +31 (0) 88 001 7902 > M.: +31 (0) 6 10 62 58 46 > > E.: arjan.van.der.oest(a)worldmax.nl > W.:www.worldmax.nl > W.:www.aerea.nl > GPG: https://keyserver.pgp.com/ (Key ID: 07286F78, fingerprint: 2E9F > 3AE2 0A8B 7579 75A9 169F 5D9E 5312 0728 6F78) > > Internet communications are not secure; therefore, the integrity of this e-mail cannot be guaranteed following transmission on the Internet. This e-mail may contain confidential information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail. Use of this e-mail by any person other than the addressee is strictly forbidden. This e-mail is believed to be free of any virus that might adversely affect the addressee's computer system; however, no responsibility is accepted for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. All the preceding disclaimers also apply to any possible attachments to this e-mail. > > ---- > If you don't want to receive mails from the RIPE NCC Members Discuss list, please log in to your LIR Portal account at: http://lirportal.ripe.net/ > First click on General and then click on Edit. > At the bottom of the Page you can add or remove addresses. Regards, Jon Morby FidoNet Registration Services Ltd web: www.fido.net tel: +44 (0) 845 004 3050 fax: +44 (0) 845 004 3051

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Re: Tsunami
by Scott Weeks 28 Feb '10

28 Feb '10

--- jeffshultz(a)wvi.com wrote: Last time I checked, Pipeline was on the north side of the island, was it not? Activity coming from Chile would be on the east and southern sides. -------------------------------------- Wrap around. The tsunami sirens were going off, folks were getting to high ground with all their stuff, the only road was closed and one idiot in the ocean waiting to surf it. Strange day here indeed... scott

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Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.
by Wade Peacock 28 Feb '10

28 Feb '10

We had a discussion today about IPv6 today. During our open thinking the topic of client equipment came up. We all commented that we have not seen any consumer grade IPv6 enable internet gateways (routers/firewalls), a kin to the ever popular Linksys 54G series, DLinks , SMCs or Netgears. Does anyone have any leads to information about such products (In production or planned production)? We are thinking that most vendors are going to wait until Ma and Pa home user are screaming for them. Thoughts? -- Wade Peacock Sun Country Cablevision Ltd

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Re: Tsunami
by Scott Weeks 28 Feb '10

28 Feb '10

--------------------------------- > The Tsunami is big enough to be dangerous but seems not to be too major : -------------------------------------- It wasn't anything. Stood on the cliff above Pipeline (famous surf spot) and couldn't tell if the water washing up the beach was normal winter surf or a tsunami. Other parts of the island may have seen more, though. Resonance is everything with these types of waves. Many cables land at Kahe on the west side of Oahu and Kawaihae on the Big Island, the opposite side of the islands from the direction of the wave. No calls from the NOC, so no trouble AFAIK... ;-) scott

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Tsunami
by Larry Sheldon 27 Feb '10

27 Feb '10

Al Gore was fake, the Chilean Earthquakes are real. If you have interests near the Pacific Ocean, read up on the Tsunami warnings for the area of your interest. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9E4DMIG0&show_article=1 -- "Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have." Remember: The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals. Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Eppure si rinfresca ICBM Targeting Information: http://tinyurl.com/4sqczs http://tinyurl.com/7tp8ml

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Freelance SysAdmin wanted in Washington DC area
by Jon Morby | fido 27 Feb '10

27 Feb '10

Hi Not sure if anyone here is looking for some (extra?) work, or knows someone with an IT support business or just someone who is currently unemployed and looking to work on (initially) a part time basis? I'm looking for a freelance support/network engineer with experience of Redhat/CentOS, as well as preferably Cisco and Juniper (and possibly OpenBSD) to work with us supporting our US and UK operations Why freelance? Well because we're a self funded "startup" and don't have a lot of cash (yet) ... and preferably Washington DC as we've just inherited a small mountain of kit in the Equinix/Ashburn area and will need someone to go and kick it occasionally. If you know anyone who might be interested, can you ask them to email me directly (jon(a)fido.net) or call me on +44-20-30-519-519 / +1 (206) 501 4562 Regards, Jon Morby FidoNet Registration Services Ltd / Fido LLC

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Chile (fyi)
by chaim.rieger＠gmail.com 27 Feb '10

27 Feb '10

Gettingreports of loss of connectivity to parts of chile They had an 8.5 a short while ago. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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Level3 tonight in Washington/New York
by Shon Elliott 27 Feb '10

27 Feb '10

Is anyone else seeing some serious Packet Loss from New York/Washington area within Level3's network tonight? I'm seeing around 5% packet loss.. -S

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