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Broadband providers in downtown Chicago
by Ishmael Rufus 04 Dec '11

04 Dec '11

Our company is in a building at 200 w. Monroe and we have difficulty finding an internet service provider that could at least provide 1Mbps+ Upload bandwidth that is not Cogent Communications. Is it really this difficult finding a decent internet service provider in downtown Chicago?

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RE: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
by Scott Weeks 03 Dec '11

03 Dec '11

---- On 12/1/2011 10:21 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: --------- > I am looking for just such a person now. Good Juniper, some Cisco and Sysadmin experience with an ISP background.. [...] > So if anybody is looking for something to do around London... ----------------------------------------------------- Something I'd like to tell hiring folks lurking out there based on my experiences from living on an island far from population centers where all the jobs are... :-) One way to get such folks, as described in the previous posts, is to allow telecommuting. Have them come into the main office immediately after hiring them for 3-4 months, evaluate them and show them what's expected. Then let them go home to telecommute and have them come into the office a couple/few times a year for a week or two each time. They can even be required to work the same hours as the location where all the other engineers are. Or, on the big networks folks living in places like Hawaii can be the carry-over shift from US timezone to Asian timezones. This allows for a more productive employee many times because they are enjoying life where they live, rather than be forced into the larger population centers. In our industry, especially with all the tools we have today, it would seem that telecommuting would be more accepted, but it's not and I don't understand why. scott

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Re: IP addresses are now assets
by Gary Buhrmaster 03 Dec '11

03 Dec '11

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 20:01, <bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com> wrote: ..... > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Suggestion received and needing confirmation: > > That ARIN or a party it designates assign one or more sense(s) of humour to the CEO. > I believe this suggestion suffers from being too non-specific, and could lead to unintended consequences. ARIN could, for example, assign John a slapstick comedy sense of humor and all the chairs at the next meeting would have a whoopee cushion. And do you really want John taking on the role of a Don Rickles as an insult comedian? And, of course 87% percentage of the population believes that they already have an above average sense of humor (and 62% of the population believes any statement with a statistic in it). I would recommend that this suggestion be revised with community input into what type of humor can achieve a community consensus. Gary

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Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
by Scott Weeks 03 Dec '11

03 Dec '11

--- bicknell(a)ufp.org wrote: From: Leo Bicknell <bicknell(a)ufp.org> If you have telecommuters _everyone_ in the office should be forced to work from home at least 2 weeks a year, including the manager. It's only from that experience you learn to deal with your telecommuting co-workers in a way that raises everyone's productivity. --------------------------------------------- I have been bemoaning the lack of telecommuting positions available since I last did that permanently from 1998-2002. I could never figure out how to get the managers since then to understand how to manage remote workers effectively, as that's what I think the problem is. The manager's ability to value an employee in this century's methodology, rather than the old way: "wow, he was in the office 10 hours today. He must've gotten a lot of work done". When, actually, the person played around for 6 of those hours while looking busy. Having the manager work from home, even temporarily, would solve this. Now if I can just get them to actually do that... :-) --------------------------------------------------- Once over that hump there are huge rewards to having telecommuters. You can pay lower salaries as people can live in cheaper locations. --------------------------------------------------- The company gets to pay for less space, too. Have a "hot cube" where everyone uses it for the day(s) they need to work in the office. I really hope manager-types are listening. You limit yourselves to those available in your immediate area and the skills they have. Opening yourselves to telecommuting allows you to hire folks with skills that may match your needs more effectively. Personally, I am working at smaller networks than I would like to, but I get to live on Kauai and surf places like this every day: www.imagemania.net/data/media/22/Polihale%20Beach,%20Kauai,%20Hawaii.jpg when I'd rather get back into BGP and operating large networks because I enjoy it. However, I will not give up life's fun things just to do that for a living. I know I'm not the only one out there who thinks this way. scott --- bicknell(a)ufp.org wrote: From: Leo Bicknell <bicknell(a)ufp.org> To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice. Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 07:37:08 -0800 In a message written on Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:25:41PM +0000, Thorsten Dahm wrote: > The downside of this is that you are not around in the office in case > someone wants to talk to you. I often end up with guys from our > operations team or other teams stopping at my desk and ask questions. Or > guys who want to have a quick chat about a problem and want to ask for > an advice or idea. Or people who want to learn Perl and have a question > that you can answer in 30 seconds. I've both delt with remote employees and been a telecommuter. After those experiences, and reading a few books I've decided the hardest thing about having successful telecommuters is dealing with the folks in the office. Telecommuters quickly turn to technology, they want to video-chat with collegues. Are eager to pick up the phone and talk. They reach out (generally). It's the folks in the office that are reluctant. They don't see the point of figuring out how the video chat software works, of setting their status to indicate what they are doing, and so on. The "water cooler" conversations can be moved to Skype, FaceTime, Google Hangouts, or any number of other solutions, but it requires everyone to be in that mindset. If you have telecommuters _everyone_ in the office should be forced to work from home at least 2 weeks a year, including the manager. It's only from that experience you learn to deal with your telecommuting co-workers in a way that raises everyone's productivity. Once over that hump there are huge rewards to having telecommuters. You can pay lower salaries as people can live in cheaper locations. People in multiple timezones provide better natural coverage. People are much more willing to do off hour work when they can roll out of bed at 5AM and be working at 5:05 in their PJ's, rather than getting up at 4 and getting dressed to drive in and do the work. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell(a)ufp.org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/

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Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
by Scott Weeks 03 Dec '11

03 Dec '11

------- bonomi(a)mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: ------- "Scott Weeks" <surfer(a)mauigateway.com> wrote: > bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote: >> >> actually, i've heard the real reason is corporate liability ... >> that said, there is an advantage for team f2f mtgs on a periodic >> basis. > > I don't follow. Could you elaborate? What is the liability? I don't know for certain, but I expect "work at home' employeees fall under the scope of the employers "Workmans Compenstation" liability covrerage, with regard to injuries sustained "on the job". Now, consider what happens if the employee sustains an 'on the job' injury, due to something in the 'workplace' (done by the homeowner on his own time) that is _NOT_ "OHSA-compliant". ------------------------------------------------- Well, if that's a big issue for companies and managers it seems like something easy to write up in the contract for work. Even other things they worry about could be written to protect them and I think we'd still sign up if we didn't have to up root our lives to do work we enjoy. That is unless the gov't forces companies to treat the home as a workplace when telecommuting. I still have the sneaking suspicion that many managers don't feel they have enough control when one telecommutes as well as the other things discussed in this thread. scott 'A large quantity of organic waste/byproducts forcefully impacted the high-speed rotary impeller." I'm going to steal that one... :-)

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book to buy
by brian nikell 03 Dec '11

03 Dec '11

The filter bubble. Eli pariser -- -B

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ATT GigE issue on 11/19 in Kansas City
by comptech＠kc.rr.com 03 Dec '11

03 Dec '11

We lost several of our GigE links to AT&T for 6 hours on 11/19, anyone else see this and get a root cause from AT&T? All I can get is that they believe a change caused the issue.

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Re: Looking for a Tier 1 ISP Mentor for career advice.
by Scott Weeks 03 Dec '11

03 Dec '11

Apologies for the rapid-shot email. It's Friday... :-) --- bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com wrote: From: bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 04:35:27PM -0500, David Radcliffe wrote: > The reason it is not more accepted is too many people still think "If I cannot > see you you must not be working." > actually, i've heard the real reason is corporate liability ... that said, there is an advantage for team f2f mtgs on a periodic basis. ---------------------------------------------- I don't follow. Could you elaborate? What is the liability? scott

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IP addresses are now assets
by Michael R. Wayne 03 Dec '11

03 Dec '11

>From http://www.detnews.com/article/20111201/BIZ/112010483/1361/Borders-selling-… Borders selling Internet addresses for $786,000 Bill Rochelle/ Bloomberg News Borders Group Inc., the liquidated Ann Arbor-based bookseller, will generate $786,000 by selling Internet addresses, thanks to the current shortage. In September, Borders was authorized to sell most of the intellectual property to Barnes & Noble Inc. for $13.9 million. Borders' block of 65,536 IPv4 Internet protocol numbers weren't sold. After negotiating with multiple prospective buyers, Cerner Corp. agreed to buy the Internet addresses for $12 each. Other bids were as low as $1.50 each, according to a bankruptcy court filing. The sale to Cerner is scheduled for approval at the Dec. 20 hearing where Borders also hopes the bankruptcy court will confirm the liquidating Chapter 11 plan. The plan distributes assets in the order of priority called for in bankruptcy law. The disclosure statement says unsecured creditors with $812 million to $850 million in claims can expect to recover from 4 percent to 10 percent. The projected recovery doesn't include proceeds from lawsuits. Borders completed liquidating the remaining stores in September and separately sold store leases and intellectual property. Borders had 642 stores on entering bankruptcy in February and was operating 399 when the final liquidations began. It listed assets of $1.28 billion and liabilities totaling $1.29 billion.

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ISP access in Ogden, UT
by Eric Gauthier 03 Dec '11

03 Dec '11

looking for 100 mbps access to a new office in Ogden, UT but don't know who the decent players are who already have fiber locally so we can avoid huge build out costs. Suggestions off list would be appreciated! - Eric :)

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