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v6 adoption
by Mark Allman 23 Jul '14

23 Jul '14

A shameless flog as it seems like it could be of interest to some folks... We have been assessing v6 adoption from a bunch of angles lately. We have written up a paper on the results of our analysis that will be presented next month at SIGCOMM. This is an update and extension of the analysis that Mike Bailey presented a few NANOG meetings ago. The paper is: Jakub Czyz, Mark Allman, Jing Zhang, Scott Iekel-Johnson, Eric Osterweil, Michael Bailey. <i>Measuring IPv6 Adoption</i>, ACM SIGCOMM, August 2014. To appear. http://www.icir.org/mallman/pubs/CAZ+14/ Comments certainly welcome. allman

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Akamai contact/ Infrastructure,CDN
by Payam Poursaied 23 Jul '14

23 Jul '14

Hi Everyone, Can someone from Akamai contact me offlist. Specially those who deal with infrastructure. Regards

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Re: Fwd: Hurricane Electric packet loss
by Clayton Zekelman 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

We haven't had time to diagnose with them, but we ended up having to shut down our BGP sessions with HE last night due to horrible slow speed issues out of TOROONNX. There's something going on, just don't know what it is yet. At 02:37 PM 22/07/2014, Shawn L wrote: >On our HE uplink, I'm seeing no packet loss until your hop #9 >at that point I see alot > > >HOST: ******** Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev > 1.|-- ******* 0.0% 10 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.0 > 2.|-- ******* 0.0% 10 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.0 > 3.|-- ******* 0.0% 10 4.4 4.5 4.3 4.6 0.0 > 4.|-- gigabitethernet3-5.core1. 0.0% 10 15.6 15.1 14.1 17.2 1.0 > 5.|-- 10ge5-7.core1.mci3.he.net 0.0% 10 26.2 26.7 26.2 30.1 1.0 > 6.|-- 10ge5-1.core1.den1.he.net 0.0% 10 39.7 39.7 39.5 40.2 0.0 > 7.|-- 10ge14-5.core1.lax2.he.ne 0.0% 10 66.8 65.9 63.5 68.4 1.6 > 8.|-- 2001:504:13::3b 0.0% 10 73.0 73.0 72.8 73.1 0.0 > 9.|-- 2402:7800:100:1::55 80.0% 10 71.8 71.8 71.8 71.9 0.0 > 10.|-- ten-0-5-0-0.cor01.syd04.n 0.0% 10 228.0 228.1 227.9 228.3 0.0 > 11.|-- ge-0-1-4.cor02.syd03.nsw. 0.0% 10 228.4 228.4 228.3 228.6 0.0 > 12.|-- 2402:7800:0:2::18a 10.0% 10 228.2 228.1 228.0 228.3 0.0 > 13.|-- 2001:dcd:12::10 10.0% 10 229.2 229.3 229.2 229.5 0.0 > > > >On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Wolfgang Nagele (AusRegistry) ><wolfgang.nagele(a)ausregistry.com.au> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Weâve been customers of Hurricane Electric for a number of years now and >always been happy with their service. > > > > In recent months packet loss on some of their major routes has become a >very common (every few days) occurrence. Without knowledge of their network >I am unsure whatâs the cause of it but weâve seen it on the Tokyo - US >routes as well as the London - US routes. It reminds me of the Cogent >expansion which was carried out by unsustainable oversubscription which >eventually resulted in unusable service for a number of years. Having seen >some of the rates that HE has been selling for I canât help but wonder if >they made the same mistake ... > > > > Here is an example of whatâs going on again atm. > > HOST: prolocation01.ring.nlnog.ne Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst >StDev > > 1.|-- 2a00:d00:ff:136::253 0.0% 11 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.4 >0.0 > > 2.|-- 2a00:d00:1:12::1 0.0% 10 0.7 0.8 0.7 1.1 >0.1 > > 3.|-- hurricane-electric.nikhef 0.0% 10 0.7 3.1 0.7 8.3 >2.9 > > 4.|-- 100ge9-1.core1.lon2.he.ne 0.0% 10 9.8 12.6 8.0 19.2 >4.1 > > 5.|-- 100ge1-1.core1.nyc4.he.ne 10.0% 10 74.7 74.6 73.7 80.8 >2.3 > > 6.|-- 10ge10-3.core1.lax1.he.ne 30.0% 10 133.4 138.0 133.4 145.1 >4.8 > > 7.|-- 10ge1-3.core1.lax2.he.net 20.0% 10 135.7 139.1 133.4 145.1 >4.5 > > 8.|-- 2001:504:13::3b 40.0% 10 143.2 143.1 142.1 144.4 >0.8 > > 9.|-- 2402:7800:100:1::55 50.0% 10 144.4 144.1 143.8 144.4 >0.2 > > 10.|-- 2402:7800:0:1::f6 60.0% 10 298.7 298.4 298.2 298.7 >0.2 > > 11.|-- ge-0-1-4.cor02.syd03.nsw. 10.0% 10 299.3 298.9 298.3 299.5 >0.5 > > 12.|-- 2402:7800:0:2::18a 20.0% 10 299.7 299.4 298.9 300.1 >0.4 > > 13.|-- 2001:dcd:12::10 30.0% 10 299.8 299.5 298.8 300.0 >0.5 > > > > Is anybody else observing this as well? > > > > Cheers, > > Wolfgang --- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E Windsor, Ontario N8W 1H4 tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409

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Hurricane Electric packet loss
by Wolfgang Nagele (AusRegistry) 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

Hi, We’ve been customers of Hurricane Electric for a number of years now and always been happy with their service. In recent months packet loss on some of their major routes has become a very common (every few days) occurrence. Without knowledge of their network I am unsure what’s the cause of it but we’ve seen it on the Tokyo - US routes as well as the London - US routes. It reminds me of the Cogent expansion which was carried out by unsustainable oversubscription which eventually resulted in unusable service for a number of years. Having seen some of the rates that HE has been selling for I can’t help but wonder if they made the same mistake ... Here is an example of what’s going on again atm. HOST: prolocation01.ring.nlnog.ne Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- 2a00:d00:ff:136::253 0.0% 11 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.0 2.|-- 2a00:d00:1:12::1 0.0% 10 0.7 0.8 0.7 1.1 0.1 3.|-- hurricane-electric.nikhef 0.0% 10 0.7 3.1 0.7 8.3 2.9 4.|-- 100ge9-1.core1.lon2.he.ne 0.0% 10 9.8 12.6 8.0 19.2 4.1 5.|-- 100ge1-1.core1.nyc4.he.ne 10.0% 10 74.7 74.6 73.7 80.8 2.3 6.|-- 10ge10-3.core1.lax1.he.ne 30.0% 10 133.4 138.0 133.4 145.1 4.8 7.|-- 10ge1-3.core1.lax2.he.net 20.0% 10 135.7 139.1 133.4 145.1 4.5 8.|-- 2001:504:13::3b 40.0% 10 143.2 143.1 142.1 144.4 0.8 9.|-- 2402:7800:100:1::55 50.0% 10 144.4 144.1 143.8 144.4 0.2 10.|-- 2402:7800:0:1::f6 60.0% 10 298.7 298.4 298.2 298.7 0.2 11.|-- ge-0-1-4.cor02.syd03.nsw. 10.0% 10 299.3 298.9 298.3 299.5 0.5 12.|-- 2402:7800:0:2::18a 20.0% 10 299.7 299.4 298.9 300.1 0.4 13.|-- 2001:dcd:12::10 30.0% 10 299.8 299.5 298.8 300.0 0.5 Is anybody else observing this as well? Cheers, Wolfgang

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Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
by mcfbbqroast . 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

One thing I've noted from those that support Verizon in this thread is that they often talk about Netflix's policy being unfair on small ISPs. Verizon is not a small ISP. Small ISPs seem happy peering with Netflix when they can (in fact they seem happy peering with anyone given there costs of transit) or getting a cache if they're big enough. My way of thinking it always has been that you are an ISP. An INTERNET service provider. As such you must make a best effort attempt to connect your customers to the internet at the speed you advertise. Let's cut the crap, Verizon is not irritated by Netflix's policies. They're irritated by Netflix and friends cutting into their far more lucrative content market.

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Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
by Brett Glass 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

At 06:49 AM 7/15/2014, Baldur Norddahl wrote: >Ah but they are charging you for it. You are paying approximately 40x as >much for your bandwidth as you should be (you said you paid 20 USD/Mbps - >an outrageous rate). You have a link to a place where you can buy 1 Gbps >flatrate for USD 500 per month, so why aren't you? Because I'd be charged at least as much per Mbps for raw transport as I am paying now. (I look at pricing every quarter to see if I can do better. Because I'm rural it has not happened.) --Brett Glass

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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
by Larry Sheldon 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

On 7/21/2014 2:26 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > I think the difference is when the municipality starts throwing in > free or highly subsidized layer 3 connectivity "free with every layer > 1 connection" I don't think "municipality" is particularly relevant. What is relevant is offering unfunded, un-understood, freebies. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
by Larry Sheldon 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

On 7/21/2014 2:08 PM, Blake Dunlap wrote: > My power is pretty much always on, my water is pretty much always on > and safe, my sewer system works, etc etc... > > Why is layer 1 internet magically different from every other utility? Almost forces a "what planet" question. Our power comes, some times, from Omaha Public Power District (not a municipal entity). Cutting the necessary slack for the storms we have here, there are still way too many hits, blinks, and occasional hours-long outages that are never explained. When I was a manager in a data Center in San Jose, California we had to install a 250KVA UPS plant and run the 1100/80 on rotating machines in order to survive the incessant hits, dips, drops, and outages. Our water here is from a non-municipal Metropolitan Utilities District (who also does natural gas which we don't have). And it is reliable and safe (if drinking water strongly laced with chlorine products can be said to be "safe"). Where we are, the sewer system (a Municipal Utility!) seems to work, but in parts of Omaha if there is any rain to speak of peoples basements fill with sewage. Several tax-increases and bond sales have been made to fix that, but it appears that the upscale parts of town gets new sidewalks. Telephone, TV and Internet Service Provision is all Cox Cable (not a Municipal Utility) and it all pretty much works as long as OPPD hasn't gone to lunch. So I don't think it matters much what "kind" of an operation it is--it matters what kinds of things are demanded-of and provided-for (funded) by the customers and the owners. -- Requiescas in pace o email Two identifying characteristics of System Administrators: Ex turpi causa non oritur actio Infallibility, and the ability to learn from their mistakes. (Adapted from Stephen Pinker)

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[NANOG-announce] NANOG Reminders and Updates
by Betty Burke <betty＠nanog.org> 22 Jul '14

22 Jul '14

Colleagues: A few reminders regarding NANOG 61- Bellevue, ARIN+NANOG on The Road - Madison, NANOG 62 - Baltimore, Baltimore Education Classes, 2014 Elections, and a NANOG Portal Update follow; NANOG 61 Presentations <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog61/agenda> and Meeting Survey Results <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog61/surveys> are posted. NANOG on the Road will be traveling to Madison, WS <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/road4/home> on September 9, 2014. The pre-agenda is expected very shortly. Please note, registration is required, however there is no fee to attend. NANOG 62 CFP <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog62/callforpresentations>, Registration <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog62/registration>, and Hotel Reservations <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog62/hotelinformation> are open. As the deadline is fast approaching, please do consider submitting a presentation. The NANOG Registration Fee will increase on September 15, 2014. We expect strong attendance, thus be sure to make your room reservation soon. Do you know someone who might need a bit of assistance attending NANOG 62, please send along information regarding our NANOG Fellowship <https://www.nanog.org/resources/fellowships> program. Two Education Classes, Routing Fundamentals <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/education/baltimore_education_classes/routin…> and IPv6 Routing Fundamentals <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/education/baltimore_education_classes/ipv6_r…> will be offered on Sunday, October 5, 2015 in Baltimore. These classes offer This is a great opportunity for budding engineers or graduate students, as well as current Internet technicians, to learn best practices, refresh on routing skills. 2014 Elections are fast approaching. The Election announcement will be sent shortly. So as to participate in NANOG leadership discussions, be sure to renew and/or join NANOG <https://www.nanog.org/membership/join> now. Lastly, as you prepare to Register for NANOG 62, or renew your NANOG membership, you will see a new NANOG Portal (ARO) interface with more icons and simpler navigation paths to help you get where you want to go. Should you decide you like the look/feel of the old interface, you can switch back by following the steps: - Log onto your ARO account at https://www.nanog.org/login and enter your username and password. - Click on My ARO at the top left next to the NANOG logo; then click on My Account. - Under Account Preferences on the right side, select NO at "Show New Interface." We hope you find these reminders and information helpful. Should you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact nanog-support(a)nanog.org. Sincerely, Betty -- Betty Burke NANOG Executive Director 48377 Fremont Boulevard, Suite 117 Fremont, CA 94538 Tel: +1 510 492 4030 _______________________________________________ NANOG-announce mailing list NANOG-announce(a)mailman.nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-announce

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Re: Muni Fiber and Politics
by Jay Ashworth 21 Jul '14

21 Jul '14

----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Herrin" <bill(a)herrin.us> > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Owen DeLong <owen(a)delong.com> wrote: > > I will point out that in my experience, private roads do not tend to > > be as well > > maintained overall as public roads with some notable exceptions in > > very wealthy > > gated communities. > > Ironically, I've had the opposite experience. The nearby Dulles Toll > Road, Greenway and Beltway HOT lanes are all in much better condition > than all but a few of the rest of the local roads. My buddies out at > http://hoveroad.com/ don't keep the roads in as good shape, but they > are in excellent repair for an organization that maintains 157 miles > of roads on a $1M annual budget. Vastly better than what I've seen a > municipality achieve for the same price. Stop it, Bill. Owen didn't say "privately owned *toll road*"; "very wealthy gated communities" are even still rarely large enough to need their own turnpikes. If you keep setting up straw men, we'll be happy to knock them down for you, but you'll end up looking a little foolish. Stop trying to make the arguments fit the end-game, and have the same conversation the rest of us are, ok? (And the next assertion you shouldn't make is that I'm saying governments are perfect, or even better than private corporations *IN GENERAL*; we're talking about a very specific commons, with a very specific set of requirements that are not well served by proprietary profit-making corporations.) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra(a)baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274

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