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The state-level attack on the SSL CA security model
by Martin Millnert 09 Oct '25

09 Oct '25

To my surprise, I did not see a mention in this community of the latest proof of the complete failure of the SSL CA model to actually do what it is supposed to: provide security, rather than a false sense of security. Essentially a state somewhere between Iraq and Pakistan snatched valid certs for: - mail.google.com - www.google.com - login.yahoo.com - login.skype.com - addons.mozilla.org - login.live.com - "global trustee" https://blog.torproject.org/blog/detecting-certificate-authority-compromise… http://www.comodo.com/Comodo-Fraud-Incident-2011-03-23.html http://www.imperialviolet.org/2011/03/18/revocation.html (on epic failure of cert revocation lists implementations in browsers, failing open (!)) http://blog.mozilla.com/security/2011/03/22/firefox-blocking-fraudulent-cer… http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/2524375.mspx For over a week users of browsers, and the internet at large, were/was not informed by COMODO that their security was compromised. "Why not" is beyond many of us. Announcing this high and loud even before fixes were available would not have exposed more users to threats, but less. Conclusion: protecting people must not be a priority in the SSL CA model. In some places, failure of internet security means people die, and it is high time to start serious work to replace this time-and-time again proven flawed model with something that, at the very least, does not fail this tragically. DNSSEC is a good but insufficient start in this particular case. Regards, Martin

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Re: NANOG NYC Event
by Fisher, Shawn 30 Jul '25

30 Jul '25

Personally I like dinosaur bbq, great malt beverages as well, and also blue smoke is great and if you like jazz, check out downstairs. -------------------------- Sent using BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: andrew young To: Scott Brim CC: nanog(a)nanog.org Sent: Sat May 31 18:28:57 2008 Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event Speaking of food, ill be going to the Big Apple BBQ fest next weekend: http://bigapplebbq.org/2008/ If you love to eat BBQ, this is a big MUST to cap off your stay in NYC. if you do decided to go, be sure to get the Fastpass: http://www.bigapplebbq.org/2008/index.php?s=fastpass You dont want to wait 30 mins online for food. Don't forget a bib and leave your belt at home. :-) - ------------------------------------ Andrew Young Webair Internet Development, Inc Phone: 1 866 WEBAIR 1 FAX: 516.938.5100 http://www.webair.com andrewy(a)webair.com ------------------------------------- We are interested in any feedback you might have about the service you received. Please contact our technical support consumer care manager directly at 1.866.WEBAIR1 or e-mail customercare(a)webair.com ------------------------------------- On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Scott Brim wrote: > On 5/31/08 12:36 PM, Rod Beck allegedly wrote: > > I strongly suggest that those heading to New York visit the great > > musems, architecture (Saint Patrick's Cathedral), and restaurants. > > You have the American Museum of Natural History, which includes an > > excellent Planetarium and just on the other side of Central Park, the > > Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Guggenheim. There are excellent > > Chinese and Indian restaurants in Lower Manhattan. > > Don't forget about Brooklyn in all this Manhattan praise :-). Consider > the Brooklyn Botanic Garden. It's too late for cherries but the rose > collections will be great. And the best pizza in New York (if you can > get in) is at > http://menupages.com/restaurantdetails.asp?areaid=0&restaurantid=31402&neig… >

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Ransom DDoS attack - need help!
by halp us 18 Jul '25

18 Jul '25

All, I've been a NANOG member for many years but I'm emailing from an anonymous account to reduce the chance of the attackers finding me. A company that shall remain anonymous has received a ransom DDoS note from a very well known group that has been in the news lately. Recently they've threatened to carry out a major DDoS attack if they are not paid by a deadline which is approaching. They've performed an attack of a smaller magnitude to prove that they're serious. Based on certain details that I can't reveal here, we believe the magnitude of the upcoming attack may be in the several hundred Gbps. I would really appreciate help in a few areas (primarily with certain provider contacts/intros) so we can execute our strategy (which I can't reveal here for obvious reasons). If you email me off-list with a name/email that you've previously used on-list, I will reply from my real email. Alternatively, if you can post your experiences on-list with large scale high profile ransom DDoS attacks, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks

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Issue with Geolocation in Virginia US
by Raja Sekhar Gullapalli 04 Jan '24

04 Jan '24

Team, We are having issues in our Virginia US office & it shows geolocation in all browsers as Canada instead of US region when we access news.google.com in our PC. Our public ip is 129.46.232.65. This issue is being observed for more than 2 month. Can you help to whom we can contact to resolve the issue. Regards, Raja

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FW: softlayer.com
by Travis Garrison 23 Sep '23

23 Sep '23

Traceroute from here if it helps Tracing route to 138-43-128-1.reserved.highland.net [138.43.128.1] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms [REDACTED] 2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms [REDACTED] 3 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms [REDACTED] 4 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms [REDACTED] 5 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms v313.core1.mci3.he.net [216.218.213.141] 6 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms 100ge10-2.core1.dal1.he.net [184.105.81.206] 7 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms xo-as15-as2828.10gigabitethernet6-7.core1.dal1.he.net [184.105.255.78] 8 40 ms 39 ms 40 ms 207.88.14.198.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.14.198] 9 40 ms 39 ms 40 ms 207.88.12.178.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.12.178] 10 39 ms 39 ms 39 ms 216.156.16.239.ptr.us.xo.net [216.156.16.239] 11 48 ms 48 ms 48 ms ip65-46-198-198.z198-46-65.customer.algx.net [65.46.198.198] 12 41 ms 41 ms 41 ms occm-6.dhcp.grp1-rng1.tncsvl.blomand.net.57.131.192.in-addr.arpa [192.131.57.6] 13 * * * Request timed out. Thanks Travis From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>> On Behalf Of Siyuan Miao Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 9:22 AM To: Nikolas Geyer <nik(a)neko.id.au<mailto:nik@neko.id.au>> Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: softlayer.com Perhaps it won't work because their customer support will ask you for bi-directional traceroute and refused to forward to backbone team. Then they'll say it's not their fault and you can see the packet is dropped outside our network. Here's a sample traceroute from SoftLayer Washington, San Jose and Seattle in case someone needs it: aveline@iad02-sl01:~$ mtr 138.43.128.1 --report-wide Start: Fri Mar 22 17:20:42 2019 HOST: iad02-sl01 Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- [REDACTED] 0.0% 10 1.4 1.5 0.8 3.7 1.0 2.|-- ae13.dar02.wdc01.networklayer.com<http://ae13.dar02.wdc01.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 0.5 3.3 0.4 28.6 8.8 3.|-- ae9.bbr01.eq01.wdc02.networklayer.com<http://ae9.bbr01.eq01.wdc02.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 0.8 0.8 0.7 1.0 0.0 4.|-- eqix-dc5.intellifiber.com<http://eqix-dc5.intellifiber.com> 0.0% 10 0.8 1.2 0.8 2.2 0.3 5.|-- ae13-0.cr02.asbn01-va.us.windstream.net<http://ae13-0.cr02.asbn01-va.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 0.9 0.9 0.9 1.0 0.0 6.|-- ae11-0.cr01.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae11-0.cr01.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 15.6 16.1 15.6 17.4 0.5 7.|-- ae0-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae0-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 17.4 16.1 15.9 17.4 0.3 8.|-- h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net<http://h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 24.7 24.8 24.6 24.9 0.0 9.|-- east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net<http://east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net> 0.0% 10 22.6 22.8 22.5 23.8 0.0 10.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 aveline@sjc03-sl01:~$ mtr 138.43.128.1 --report-wide Start: Fri Mar 22 16:21:04 2019 HOST: sjc03-sl01 Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- [REDACTED] 0.0% 10 2.4 2.0 0.3 14.3 4.3 2.|-- ae0.dar02.sjc01.networklayer.com<http://ae0.dar02.sjc01.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 1.0 0.5 0.3 1.3 0.0 3.|-- ae9.bbr01.eq01.sjc02.networklayer.com<http://ae9.bbr01.eq01.sjc02.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 0.8 0.8 0.7 0.9 0.0 4.|-- eqix-sv1.windstream.com<http://eqix-sv1.windstream.com> 0.0% 10 0.9 0.9 0.8 1.1 0.0 5.|-- ae6-0.cr02.lsaj01-ca.us.windstream.net<http://ae6-0.cr02.lsaj01-ca.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 11.6 11.5 11.5 11.6 0.0 6.|-- ae-11-0.cr01.dlls01-tx.us.windstream.net<http://ae-11-0.cr01.dlls01-tx.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 42.6 42.7 42.5 43.4 0.0 7.|-- ae7-0.cr02.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae7-0.cr02.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 64.0 65.6 63.9 74.2 3.4 8.|-- ae1-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae1-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 62.3 62.7 62.2 66.9 1.5 9.|-- h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net<http://h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 71.9 72.0 71.9 72.2 0.0 10.|-- east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net<http://east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net> 0.0% 10 69.9 68.8 68.6 69.9 0.3 11.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 aveline@sea04-sl01:~$ mtr 138.43.128.1 --report-wide Start: Fri Mar 22 08:19:09 2019 HOST: sea04-sl01 Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- [REDACTED] 0.0% 10 0.7 1.2 0.7 1.8 0.0 2.|-- ae12.dar02.sr01.sea01.networklayer.com<http://ae12.dar02.sr01.sea01.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 0.6 0.7 0.5 1.3 0.0 3.|-- ae9.bbr01.wb01.sea02.networklayer.com<http://ae9.bbr01.wb01.sea02.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 1.2 1.0 0.7 1.5 0.0 4.|-- six.seattle-wa.us.windstream.net<http://six.seattle-wa.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 1.5 1.0 0.7 1.7 0.0 5.|-- ae12-0.cr01.chcg01-il.us.windstream.net<http://ae12-0.cr01.chcg01-il.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 41.1 41.2 41.0 41.6 0.0 6.|-- ae17-0.cr02.chcg01-il.us.windstream.net<http://ae17-0.cr02.chcg01-il.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 41.1 41.4 41.1 42.0 0.0 7.|-- ae10-0.cr01.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae10-0.cr01.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 63.8 64.4 63.5 71.1 2.3 8.|-- ae0-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae0-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 63.7 63.7 63.5 64.0 0.0 9.|-- h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net<http://h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 71.6 71.8 71.5 72.8 0.0 10.|-- east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net<http://east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net> 0.0% 10 71.8 70.8 70.2 71.8 0.3 11.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Regards, Siyuan Miao On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 10:10 PM Nikolas Geyer <nik(a)neko.id.au<mailto:nik@neko.id.au>> wrote: This is the best approach. Have run into this problem a few times and had zero success getting the filters removed without having SL customers log tickets with support. Verbiage needs to be “this prefix is blocked, please escalate to your backbone team”. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <lists(a)packetflux.com<mailto:lists@packetflux.com>> wrote: Another idea... Have you tried reaching out to some of the blocked sites? They likely have better contact information than is available publicly, especially a larger one like indeed. On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 3:41 PM John Alcock <john(a)alcock.org<mailto:john@alcock.org>> wrote: Still looking for anyone from softlayer.com<http://softlayer.com> It has been a challenge. Anything hosted by softlayer.com<http://softlayer.com> is being blocked. Here is a small list so far windowbook.tpondemand.com<http://windowbook.tpondemand.com> ahainstructornetwork.americanheart.org<http://ahainstructornetwork.americanheart.org> clover.com<http://clover.com> Cebroker.com<http://Cebroker.com> Softlayer.com<http://Softlayer.com> indeed.com<http://indeed.com> & Enforce Staffing It is growing every day. John On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:35 PM John Alcock <john(a)alcock.org<mailto:john@alcock.org>> wrote: Afternoon, Thought I would start a new thread. After researching, traceroutes, etc, I think I found my problem. 9 out of the 10 sites that subscribers on my new block is being hosted by softlayer. Anyone on the list have contacts with softlayer. Right now I have an email to abuse. The support line will not help me out. John

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Getting Fiber to My Town by Jared Mauch
by Jared Brown 11 Aug '22

11 Aug '22

I believe this belongs here: Getting Fiber to My Town by Jared Mauch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASXJgvy3mEg (YouTube video of NLnog presentation) https://nlnog.net/static/live/nlnog_live_sep_2020_jared.pdf (slides for presentation) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24424910#24430901 (discussion on Hacker News with Jared participating) https://washftth.com/ (project homepage) I find this an interesting description of how to apply skills that we normally only use at work to solve connectivity issues at home. Quite timely too, as home connectivity is needed more than ever. Highlights: - location: just outside of Ann Arbor - no fixed broadband since 2002 -> build own network - pre-wire neighbors with fiber drops and feed them off WISP first - lots of work to sign up customers, having to resort to snailmail to reach all - 70% of homes passed signed up - Have ASN, get IPv6 and IPv4 allocation, multihome and connect to local IXP - purchase equipment: fusion splicer, OTDR, materials, directional drill(!) - hire contractors, deal with all manner of problems, theft, stop work orders, unbudgeted costs, unmarked/badly marked utilities, hitting (own) utilities - build own fiber blower(!) for blowing in fiber in ducts - splice, OTDR, resplice, schedule installs ... which don't always go to plan - Upstream very helpful, offered a Cisco 6500 as CPE, however respectfuly declined and went with Arista - Link up! Network is now live with 17 subscribers hooked up. More waiting to be connected - Mixed Active Ethernet and GPON - latency drops from 30 ms to 8 ms, bandwidth from 20-30M to 730M, total commit 1.5G on 10G port, plans from 50M to 500M - SPAM! IPv4 brokers and the usual unsolicited contacts from bottom of the baller IP transit providers - Costs: $126k in 2020, $95k contractors, $32k materials and equipment. Total outlay ~$150k + years of sweat equity. Important to spread out costs over longer period of time to be able to afford. Offset costs by using pre-pay model (Can pay $5,000 up-front and receive $50 credit for 100 months) All in all it was an excellent presentation. I only wish Jared had spent some more time on how he had to become a telco and how this got him better access to the public right of way. Of course, some more details on his directional boring and some nice video of him running the drill would have been a cherry on top :) I'd like to congratulate Jared on lighting up his network and wish him success in running it. I did a similar build almost twenty years ago and regret I didn't have the forethought to document the effort better then. Not that there was a YouTube to put it all on then :) You can find the other presentations from NLnog live September 2020 at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVz78FbsOJ6v6xb6S2GpvWQ Jared, not the Mauch one

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New minimum speed for US broadband connections
by Sean Donelan 28 Feb '22

28 Feb '22

What should be the new minimum speed for "broadband" in the U.S.? This is the list of past minimum broadband speed definitions by year year speed 1999 200 kbps in both directions (this was chosen as faster than dialup/ISDN speeds) 2000 200 kbps in at least one direction (changed because too many service providers had 128 kbps upload) 2010 4 mbps down / 1 mbps up 2015 25 Mbps down / 3 Mbps up (wired) 5 Mbps down / 1 Mbps up (wireless) 2021 ??? / ??? (some Senators propose 100/100 mbps) Not only in major cities, but also rural areas Note, the official broadband definition only means service providers can't advertise it as "broadband" or qualify for subsidies; not that they must deliver better service.

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PeeringDB Hackathon - looking for feature requests
by Steve McManus 09 Feb '22

09 Feb '22

PeeringDB is looking at participating at an upcoming NANOG Hackathon. One of the ideas for a theme is to improve the API. Specifically by adding API calls for common use cases that people need to handle outside of the API. Typically, by dumping the entire database to SQL For example - given two IXes, which networks are present at both? We'd like to make a list of such useful queries such that people don't have to dump the database just to run them. A stretch goal would be to expose into the website instead of requiring API calls. This issue has some more detail, including a few existing ideas: https://github.com/peeringdb/peeringdb/issues/1020 Comments there or in email to me would be super helpful. As always, if there are other feature requests for PeeringDB, feel free to create an issue in github ( https://github.com/peeringdb/peeringdb/issues/new/choose ) or in email, even if they're not strictly Hackathon ideas. They are always appreciated! Thanks! -Steve PeeringDB Product Committee chair

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Famous operational issues
by John Kristoff 01 Oct '21

01 Oct '21

Friends, I'd like to start a thread about the most famous and widespread Internet operational issues, outages or implementation incompatibilities you have seen. Which examples would make up your top three? To get things started, I'd suggest the AS 7007 event is perhaps the most notorious and likely to top many lists including mine. So if that is one for you I'm asking for just two more. I'm particularly interested in this as the first step in developing a future NANOG session. I'd be particularly interested in any issues that also identify key individuals that might still be around and interested in participating in a retrospective. I already have someone that is willing to talk about AS 7007, which shouldn't be hard to guess who. Thanks in advance for your suggestions, John

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The great Netflix vpn debacle!
by John Alcock 19 Sep '21

19 Sep '21

Well, It happened. I have multiple subscribers calling in. They can not access Netflix. Any contacts on list for Netflix that I can use to get my up blocks whitelisted? John

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