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Viable Third Option?
by Mike Hammett 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance, I have little to no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with any other eyeball network (aside from P2P games). For a content network, getting into the eyeball networks is their objective. My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control because people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a question that I hear VERY often. I also expect a lot of purely bad or outdated information to get thrown out. Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively unimportant details. There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE. Cogent * Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE * Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google * Aggressive sales tactics Hurricane * Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal * Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network that operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer locations. What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost? Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but when I talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x the cost of Cogent and HE, you better have a very good argument for why you're worth it... and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" Many times I'm quoted transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really have a good argument for it. As an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% - 85% of my traffic and almost all of my traffic that anyone is going to notice or complain about if there are issues (video streaming). I do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have different requirements. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP

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[NANOG-announce] NANOG Committee Appointments [ID #6365770x3]
by Tina Morris 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

---- DO NOT EDIT BELOW THIS LINE ---- Assigned to: BuyGoods Support The NANOG Board of Directors is pleased to announce that the following community members have been appointed to serve on the respective NANOG committees listed below: NANOG Scholarship Committee: Bryan Brooks Craig MacKinder Tom Daly Alankar Sharma New! NANOG Education Committee: Hosein Badran Ron Kovac Michael Costello Reddy Urimindi Paul Ebersman New! NANOG Mentorship Committee: Ron Grant Matthew Petach Wendy Leedy Reddy Urimindi NANOG Program Committee (PC): Melchior Aelmans Marlin Martes Kat Ronay Jeff Bartig Steve Meuse Alankar Sharma Tom Beecher Stevan Plote Yordan Sutanto Omkar Bhalekar Jingjing Ren Anna Valsami Hao Fu Matt Ringel Michael Voity Alex Latzko Wed also like to give special recognition and thanks for the many contributions made by the PC alumni whose terms ended in December 2020: Adam Davenport Greg Hankins Steve Feldman Brad Raymo As an organization, NANOG was founded by volunteers who developed a quality forum for North Americas operator community. Despite the growth in NANOGs programs, volunteers greatly outnumber professional staff, and the volunteer-only PC is wholly responsible for soliciting, developing, and selecting all program content presented at NANOG meetings and other events. NANOG volunteers and community participation are instrumental in our continued growth and success, and we thank everyone for their ongoing support and involvement. To learn more about how you can get involved, including how you submit talk ideas for NANOG 82, please visit: www.nanog.org On behalf of the NANOG Board of Directors we wish to personally congratulate and thank each of these individuals for their commitment to serve. We also wish to recognize and thank all of our nominees, including everyone who participated in the nomination process. Thanks, Tina Morris Chair, NANOG Board of Directors Team BuyGoods ===============================================================================

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NANOG Committee Appointments
by Tina Morris 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

The NANOG Board of Directors is pleased to announce that the following community members have been appointed to serve on the respective NANOG committees listed below: NANOG Scholarship Committee: Bryan Brooks Craig MacKinder Tom Daly Alankar Sharma New! NANOG Education Committee: Hosein Badran Ron Kovac Michael Costello Reddy Urimindi Paul Ebersman New! NANOG Mentorship Committee: Ron Grant Matthew Petach Wendy Leedy Reddy Urimindi NANOG Program Committee (PC): Melchior Aelmans Marlin Martes Kat Ronay Jeff Bartig Steve Meuse Alankar Sharma Tom Beecher Stevan Plote Yordan Sutanto Omkar Bhalekar Jingjing Ren Anna Valsami Hao Fu Matt Ringel Michael Voity Alex Latzko We’d also like to give special recognition and thanks for the many contributions made by the PC alumni whose terms ended in December 2020: Adam Davenport Greg Hankins Steve Feldman Brad Raymo As an organization, NANOG was founded by volunteers who developed a quality forum for North America’s operator community. Despite the growth in NANOG’s programs, volunteers greatly outnumber professional staff, and the volunteer-only PC is wholly responsible for soliciting, developing, and selecting all program content presented at NANOG meetings and other events. NANOG volunteers and community participation are instrumental in our continued growth and success, and we thank everyone for their ongoing support and involvement. To learn more about how you can get involved, including how you submit talk ideas for NANOG 82, please visit: www.nanog.org On behalf of the NANOG Board of Directors we wish to personally congratulate and thank each of these individuals for their commitment to serve. We also wish to recognize and thank all of our nominees, including everyone who participated in the nomination process. Thanks, Tina Morris Chair, NANOG Board of Directors

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Starlink
by Robert DeVita 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

Can someone from Starlink please contact me off list? Thank you Rob [photo] [cid:image020.png@01D6FE4A.8C381910] Robert DeVita CEO & Founder [cid:image021.png@01D6FE4A.8C381910]<http://www.linkedin.com/company/mejeticks> [cid:image022.png@01D6FE4A.8C381910]<http://twitter.com/mejeticks> [cid:image023.png@01D6FE4A.8C381910] 469-581-2160<tel:469-581-2160> [cid:image024.png@01D6FE4A.8C381910] 469-441-8864<tel:469-441-8864> [cid:image025.png@01D6FE4A.8C381910] radevita(a)mejeticks.com<mailto:radevita@mejeticks.com> [cid:image026.png@01D6FE4A.8C381910] www.mejeticks.com<http://mejeticks.com/> [cid:image027.png@01D6FE4A.8C381910] 3100 Carlisle St, 16-113, Dallas TX 75204

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Re: Texas internet connectivity declining due to blackouts
by Mark Tinka 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

On 2/17/21 20:04, Lady Benjamin PD Cannon wrote: > Other than financials limiting capacity, modern residential solar > systems do not care a wink about what sort of load their DC is > driving. The inverters also are rated for continuous duty. Solar can drive any load. But to support heavy loads + regular ones, you'd need a big array and a decent-sized inverter. Double or triple the array if you need to support the same demand during low irradiation days (rain, winter, e.t.c.). > > If you produce more power per day than you consume, you will be fine > forever, simply needing enough capacity to ride out volatility in > production. Most grid-tied solar installations will produce more power than they need, at some point. But that does not help if there is no storage and/or the grid fails. > > Let me be clear: Solar systems are suitable for every type of electric > load, but, if anything, */especially/* resistive loads, as those are > driven most efficiently by the inverters, as opposed to inductive or > other reactive loads. I didn't say solar wasn't suitable for resistive loads. I said batteries aren't... not from a lack of ability, but a lack of capacity given the amount of energy that is required to drive resisitive loads over a given period of time (think, heating bathing water in a 200-litre water tank, with a 4kW element, in the dead of winter). > > If everyone had a large enough solar system at home, let’s say > covering their entire roof - we wouldn’t need generation at all except > for certain industrial purposes. (which can be nuclear) The grid > could be shrunk dramatically as it would be a rarely used inter-tie. Let's be clear, solar does not automatically infer batteries also. When I say solar, I mean PV only. When I say solar + batteries, I mean PV + storage. Much of user demand occurs in the evening, when the sunlight is at its lowest. No amount of solar on the roof will offer you power then, and if the grid is massively shrunk, where will your power come from? Fine, you've got a battery - how big does it have to be to support you throughout the night until the sun comes out the following morning, assuming it doesn't storm? Mark.

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Infomart Dallas is on generator
by Eric Kuhnke 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I have now heard from two reliable sources that Infomart Dallas is presently on generator, and is likely to remain so until the cold weather/electrical supply emergency in Texas has abated. No network impact seen yet.

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Cross country latency on 3356?
by David Hubbard 16 Feb '21

16 Feb '21

Curious if anyone is seeing issues with 3356 cross country, particularly Orlando-LA? I have to assume they’re having issues in Texas, so perhaps too much capacity has been lost and it’s overloading what is functioning? David

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Google Nest camera contact request
by Chuck Church 16 Feb '21

16 Feb '21

If anyone has access to a Google Nest engineer could you pass their info to me offline? Going through tech support didn't get me anywhere. We're seeing that their cameras and the cloud servers they home back to (oculus-xxx.dropcam.com) are using TLS 1.0 and no server name in the certs, which our firewalls are dropping and our security folks are reluctant to relax rules to make work. Hoping for a status on when modern security communications might be used on these. Thanks, Chuck

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Netflix Contact
by Cassell, Brandon 16 Feb '21

16 Feb '21

If anyone from Netflix is around, I’d appreciate it if you could hit me up off list, we have a ticket open that I could use some assistance on. Thanks, Brandon Cassell bcassell(a)oar.net<mailto:bcassell@oar.net>

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Register now for our BGP Fundamentals Webinar!
by NANOG News 15 Feb '21

15 Feb '21

*Join us for BGP Fundamentals via NANOG U* NANOG U Webinars provide students across North America a way to virtually connect and engage with industry innovators, while learning the latest Internet technologies + best practices, and accessing career-building tools + resources. Our next Webinar will take place on Friday, February 26! *Date + Time: * Feb 26, 11am - 1pm PST / 2pm - 4pm EST *Speaker:* Aaron Atac, Subspace *Agenda:* This webinar will cover the fundamentals of the Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) as well as service-provider operational insights and challenges not necessarily highlighted in textbooks. *Registration: * NANOG U Webinars are free to attend, but registration is required to participate. All sessions are conducted at nanog.org. To register for the webinar, you'll first need to sign up for a NANOG account. It's free, simple, and takes less than a minute. Register Now <https://www.nanog.org/meetings/webinar-bgp-fundamentals/> Watch Past Webinars <https://nanog.org/news-stories/nanog-tv/nanog-u/>

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