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Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Terrence Koeman 14 May '20

14 May '20

"A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." The questions are: damages caused to whom and amount to be spent by whom (& who is going to make them)? If it were a simple case of weighing the aggregate costs of attacks against the aggregate costs of implementation of mitigation, then we would have seen universal implementation of BCP38[1] two decades ago. Unfortunately, we don't live in a child's mind where things are simple. In reality the parties incurring the costs of attacks are not the same as those that aren't implementing the solutions to prevent them from occurring. If your neighbor has a credit card debt of $20k on which he's paying 18% interest, and you have savings of $20k on which you are receiving 2% interest, then with your logic you should immediately pay off your neighbors' debt, because that'd be cheaper for you both, collectively. But of obviously you wouldn't do this, because you're NOT a collective (your neighbors' wallet/bank account and yours are not the same) and thus you both need to be considered separately. You don't need a degree in economics to realise this, just a shred of common sense suffices. If every network configured their own equipment as well as they wish others would, there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Fact is, they won't. And getting someone that has already spent time and/or money on configuring their own equipment correctly to pay for the privilege of not getting attacked by the equipment of someone else that is either too lazy or cheap to do so is going to be a tall order. [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp38 -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 18:12 To: Owen DeLong Cc: Shane Ronan; North American Network Operators' Group Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > Me: > "A degree in economics is not needed to know that if the damages of something is causing x2 the amount that can be spent to avoid the damages - then half of the amount should be spent." > > Toma: > > A degree in economics is not needed [..] > "Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it." > > You: > "simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds" > > > You are not a bigotry or hatred, you are just an imbecile. > ________________________________ > From: Owen DeLong <owen(a)delong.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:04 PM > To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Cc: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com>; Shane Ronan <shane(a)ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > I don’t see hate. I see legitimate technical disagreement with your hair-brained schemes. > > Perhaps, when a large collection of people with actual engineering experience and deep knowledge tell you that you are simply wrong on legitimate technical grounds, it would be wiser to rethink your position than to accuse them of bigotry and hatred. > > Just a thought. > > Owen > > On May 13, 2020, at 16:48, Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> wrote: > > > You start your posts with Peace but your posts are full of hate. > ________________________________ > From: Töma Gavrichenkov <ximaera(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 2:17 AM > To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Cc: Shane Ronan <shane(a)ronan-online.com>; North American Network Operators' Group <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > Peace, > > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 2:14 AM Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> wrote: > > A degree in economics is not needed [..] > > Which is the common thing to say by the ones who don't have it. > > I think, dixi. > > -- > Töma

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(updated) COVID-19 fast/small resources page
by Rich Kulawiec 14 May '20

14 May '20

It's here: http://www.firemountain.net/covid19.html There's now a link to Job Snijders' "Internet Operations During Pandemics" PDF, better coverage of mapping/tracking, links to every US state's public health agency, links to Canada and Mexico's CDC-equivalents, etc. I also fixed the character encoding. I may move the commentary at the bottom elsewhere: I'm trying to keep this page very lightweight, which is why there are no graphics, scripting, or anything else. Comments/fixes/additions to me, off-list please. ---rsk

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StreetNode MIB
by Richard Basque 14 May '20

14 May '20

I inherited a network with a handful of Intracom Telecom StreetNode 60ghz Point to Point Links. I am having a difficult time locating the MIB files for these units, anyone know where I might be able to find them? Thanks

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Re: An appeal for more bandwidth to the Internet Archive
by Terrence Koeman 14 May '20

14 May '20

Aren't they in a former church or something? I vaguely remember their location to be significant for some reason or another. So location may weigh heavily. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: David Hubbard <dhubbard(a)dino.hostasaurus.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 06:02 To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: An appeal for more bandwidth to the Internet Archive > Could the operation be moved out of California to achieve dramatically reduced operating costs and perhaps solve some problems via cost savings vs increased donation? I have to imagine with the storage and processing requirements that the footprint and power usage in SFO is quite costly. I have equipment in a few California colo's and it's easily 3x what I pay for similar in Nevada, before even getting into tax abatement advantages. > > > > On 5/12/20, 1:33 PM, "NANOG on behalf of colin johnston" <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org on behalf of colinj(a)gt86car.org.uk> wrote: > > Is the increased usage due to more users or more existing users having higher bandwidth at home to request faster ? > Would be interested if IPS configured firewall used to block out invalid traffic/spam traffic and if such traffic increased when back end network capacity increased ? > What countries are requesting the most data and does this analysis throw up questions as to why ? > Are there high network usage hitters which raise question as to why asking for so much data time and time again and is this valid traffic use ? > > Colin > > > > On 12 May 2020, at 17:33, Tim Požár <pozar(a)lns.com> wrote: > > > > Jared... > > > > Thanks for sharing this. I was the first Director of Operations from '96 to '98, at was was then Internet Archive/Alex. I was the network architect back then got them their ASN and original address space. Folks may also know, I help start SFMIX with Matt Peterson. > > > > A bit more detail in this... Some of this I got from Jonah Edwards who is the current Network Architect at IA. Yes, the bottle neck was the line cards. They have upgraded and that has certainly helped the bandwidth of late. > > > > Peering would be a big help for IA. At this point they have two 10Gb LAG interfaces that show up on SFMIX that was turned up last February. Looking at the last couple of weeks the 95th percentile on this 20Gb LAG is 3 Gb. As they just turned up on SFMIX, they are just starting to get peers turned up there. Eyeball networks that show up on SFMIX are highly encouraged to start peering with them. Alas, they are v4 only at this point. > > > > Additionally, if folks do have some fat pipes that can donate bandwidth at 200 Paul, I am sure Jonah won't turn it down. > > > > Tim > > > > On 5/12/20 4:45 AM, Jared Brown wrote: > >> Hello all! > >> Last week the Internet Archive upgraded their bandwidth 30% from 47 Gbps to 62 Gbps. It was all gobbled up immediately. There's a lovely solid green graph showing how usage grows vertically as each interface comes online until it too is 100% saturated. Looking at the graph legend you can see that their usage for the past 24 hours averages 49.76G on their 50G of transport. > >> To see the pretty pictures follow the below link: > >> https://blog.archive.org/2020/05/11/thank-you-for-helping-us-increase-our-b… > >> Relevant parts from the blog post: > >> "A year ago, usage was 30Gbits/sec. At the beginning of this year, we were at 40Gbits/sec, and we were handling it. ... > >> Then Covid-19 hit and demand rocketed to 50Gbits/sec and overran our network infrastructure’s ability to handle it. So much so, our network statistics probes had difficulty collecting data (hence the white spots in the graphs). > >> We bought a second router with new line cards, and got it installed and running (and none of this is easy during a pandemic), and increased our capacity from 47Gbits/sec peak to 62Gbits/sec peak. And we are handling it better, but it is still consumed." > >> It is obvious that the Internet Archive needs more bandwidth to power the Wayback machine and to fulfill its mission of being the Internet library and the historic archive of our times. > >> The Internet Archive is present at Digital Realty SFO (200 Paul) and a member of the San Francisco Metropolitan Internet Exchange (SFMIX). > >> I appeal to all list members present or capable of getting to these facilities to peer with and/or donate bandwidth to the Internet Archive. > >> I appeal to all vendors and others with equipment that they can donate to the Internet Archive to contact them so that they can scale their services and sustain their growth. > >> The Internet Archive is currently running 10G equipment. If you can help them gain 100G connectivity, 100G routing, 100G switching and/or 100G DWDM capabilities, please reach out to them. They have the infrastructure and dark fiber to transition to 100G, but lack the equipment. You can find the Internet Archive's contact information below or you can contact Jonah at the Archive Org directly either by email or via the contact information available on his Twitter profile @jonahedwards. > >> You can also donate at https://archive.org/donate/ > >> The Internet Archive is a 501(c)(3) non-profit. Donations are tax-deductible. > >> Contact information: > >> https://archive.org/about/contact.php > >> Volunteering: > >> https://archive.org/about/volunteerpositions.php > >> Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with the Internet Archive. Nobody asked me to write this post. If something angers you about this post, be angry at me. I merely think that the Internet Archive is a good thing and deserves our support. > >> Jared > >

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Re: Switch for SFP+
by Rudy Rucker 14 May '20

14 May '20

Hi Mehmet, This budget SFP+ switch: https://mikrotik.com/product/crs317_1g_16s_rm works great. In the past, we've used those to add extra fiber ports to lower end router/switches. Rudy

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Transport and application layer configurations survey
by Usama Naseer 14 May '20

14 May '20

Hi NANOG, We have often read that CDNs/CSPs optimize their networking stack configurations (e.g., TCP, HTTP etc.) to meet their performance/service requirements. Please help us in exploring the configurations used in the wild by filling us this short survey (<10 minutes): CDN network configuration survey <https://forms.gle/vaGNC3gHxps3Esqs9> (https://forms.gle/vaGNC3gHxps3Esqs9) *Background:* There’s a plethora of protocols and configuration options (TCP congestion control, initial congestion windows, HTTP version, HTTP options etc.) available for networking stack to address a variety of realistic network conditions and devices. Content providers mostly hand-tune the network stack configurations to suit the needs of underlying networks and users. We aim to improve the tuning by building a dynamic network stack that delegates the choice of tuning configurations to a data-driven model and uses the optimal set of configurations for individual networks. *Purpose of Survey:* This survey aims to understand the networking configurations used in-the-wild by network operators and the extent of configuration tuning used to curate the networking stack according to the needs of underlying networks. We also aim to understand the rationale that goes behind tuning the stack to a certain configuration. We expect the survey to be filled by anyone involved with content delivery, protocol designing, next-gen protocols or network infrastructure. The survey and collected data are anonymous and the aggregate results will be used as part of a scientific study. Thanks in advance and we look forward to your responses. Usama Naseer (Brown University, usama_naseer(a)brown.edu) PS: We would appreciate if you could forward the email to other operators who might not be a part of NANOG.

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Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Terrence Koeman 14 May '20

14 May '20

"illegal", "anonymous", "racist" "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." — Inigo Montoya -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2020 04:22 To: Owen DeLong Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > ---- > This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I see nothing in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal. > ---- > According to their private presentation in the following link - they receive on a regular basis private data from their contacts in internet companies and internet organizations in illegal way - and then they share it with Law Enforcement Agencies in illegal way (without any warrant). > > https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Vio… > > > > ---- > Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name (Richard D G Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide. > ---- > Spamhaus using fake names such as "Mike Anderson", "Rob Shultz", "Thomas Morrison", "Pete Dewas" - is a fact. > Richard D G Cox name is displayed in the presentation - because it was a private presentation that was displayed in a private event and they never knew that it will become public. > > > > ---- > I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they are, they would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their website: https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/ > ---- > They are helping Law Enforcement Agencies on a regular basis and in very high volume according to their own presentation (by sharing with them all the illegaly-obtained privacy data) - so Law Enforcement Agencies look the other way. > > > > ---- > I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state, that they would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from the National Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance. > ---- > Some of the employees of Spamhaus are past members of Law Enforcement Agencies, such as Andrew Fried (from deteque.com - owned by Spamhaus) - which was a former special agent in USA government before hoped to his new job at Spamhaus. They are connected to the Law Enforcement Agencies in the Western world. > > > > ---- > Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”. > ---- > Yes, they help Law Enforcement Agencies, but in illegal way. > > > > ---- > Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I think Spamhaus has significantly more credibility than you do. > ---- > Thank you for keep taking part in the illegal cyber influence operation. I dislike the word "credibility" - I like the words facts and data. Facts and data are booleans and don't let imbaciles like you are to have an opinion, please relate to facts and to data. > > > > ---- > That’s an awfully strange interpretation of (presumably): > “Spamhaus holds a lot of information provided in confidence by industry players — on the understanding that it can be made available to LEAs where needed.” > ---- > confidence means illegal unless you are an imbacile, industry players means internet companies and internet organizations, "on the understanding" - meaning that their contacts that shared with them the mass privcay data know that this data can be available to LEAs without any warrant "where needed". > > > > ---- > Uh, sure, and I’m the Prince of Whales. > ---- > Ronald doesn't deny it, so you are denying it for him? > > > > ---- > At this point, the best you’ve got on this list is an a-said/b-said with no public evidence on either side. In such a case, it boils down to credibility and frankly, IMHO, yours is lacking. > ---- > Yours lacking. You are asking from me to share with you private business documents publicly ? who are you ? > > > > ---- > Quote 1 might be bad style on RFG’s part, but style and eloquence have never been his strong suits. > ---- > People that cover up racism are worst than racists. > > > > ---- > a meticulous researcher and brutally honest > ---- > Proofs ? Facts ? Data ? Ever heared on any of these ? instead of mumbling here that Coconut Guilmette is a meticulous researcher and brutally honest. > > Here just one note on his "honesty", Coconut Guilmette wrote here in Nanog the text in the following link: > > https://imgur.com/xWSq3g3 > > I was never contacted by CoCT like he wrote nor anyone else was contacted, he lied to you all, not only that - but internal correspondences of CoCT proof the complete opposite of what he wrote - Alister of CoCT explained to Coconut Guilmette in his imagination what he wrote there - Coconut Guilmette will not be able to show a single proof to anything in that linked text paragraph of his. > I'm willing to show evidences of the exact opposite to one respected member of Nanog and he will confirm it to the Nanog community (for example to William Herrin). > > > > ---- > Are you attempting to hide the rest of the thread from closer scrutiny while cherry-picking quotes you hope support your narrative? > ---- > Racism is racism, you are again trying to to justify racism. The person that called Ronald a racist and the person that called Ronald an antisemitic - both of them read everything he wrote. > > > > ---- > Quote 3 is the most amusing in that the person all but states that you, Mr. Cohen, are acting guilty of the allegations made by RFG and that the original poster thinks you both have things to answer for. > ---- > No, that response regarding me was due to the lies of Coconut Guilmette like I showed above. And there were many many more lies - everything that Coconut Guilmette wrote about me was without any single proof against me - only from his imagination. > Are you comparing the quote of stating that I need to answer to the lies of Coconut Guilmette to the quote which is stating that Ronald is an antisemitic ??? > > > > ---- > Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which, he doesn’t filter and doesn’t put any effort into political correctness. He definitely lacks polish and a certain level of social skills. > ---- > Nice way to cover up a person which is a racist and an antisemitic, and was called a racist and an antisemitic not by me but by people which are not related to me. > > > > ---- > I don’t think for one second that he is actually a racist or a bigot. He identifies patterns and calls out what he sees. Often without regard for the collateral damage. > ---- > Patterns like country-origin ? city-origin ? race-patterns ? This is called racism, you are still trying to cover up a racist and an antisemitic. > > > > ---- > You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center of the wrongdoing he’s been pointing out. > ---- > The only wrongdoing is him not going to a complete health check and you covering up a racist and an antisemitic. > > > > ---- > Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be Israeli (and for all I know Jewish, too), doesn’t mean that his accusations against you are baseless or inaccurate. > ---- > or Proof-less ??? > And now in this sentence you are confirming that he is a racist and antisemitic - so why you wrote all the above? > > > > ---- > Is it your claim that the following article: > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-add… > is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to support such a claim? > ---- > Here is the latest ordered article from the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" in that site: > > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-… > > And in it you can see that is written: > > "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report." > > That is the last article after the mumbo-jumbo that you linked. > > The site wrote it because they know that as you wrote - everything is entirely baseless - but it doesn't matter to them - all they want is to defame me and to hurt my chances to join the RIPE board, because they know that I will put an end to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" if I will be elected, the defamation towards me is only because I dared to stand up against the illegal anonymouos organization "The Spamhaus Project". > > > > ---- > Just out of curiosity… Is this you, too? > https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-susp… > ---- > Just out of curiosity... Is this you, too? > https://hawaiianeyetours.com/files/672%20Size%20Images/humpback_whale_breac… > > > ________________________________ > From: Owen DeLong <owen(a)delong.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:07 AM > To: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Cc: Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com>; nanog(a)nanog.org <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: > > https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Vio… > > This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I see nothing in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal. > > Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name (Richard D G Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide. > > I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they are, they would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their website: https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/ > > I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state, that they would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from the National Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance. > > Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”. > > Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I think Spamhaus has significantly more credibility than you do. > > They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project”. > > That’s an awfully strange interpretation of (presumably): > > “Spamhaus holds a lot of information provided in confidence by industry players — on the understanding that it can be made available to LEAs where needed.” > > Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project”. > > Uh, sure, and I’m the Prince of Whales. > > ---- > and that said legal counsel has then > proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, > South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish > to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block > ---- > This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly. > > At this point, the best you’ve got on this list is an a-said/b-said with no public evidence on either side. In such a case, it boils down to credibility and frankly, IMHO, yours is lacking. > > ---- > "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" > ---- > Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: > https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX > https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz > > Quote 1 might be bad style on RFG’s part, but style and eloquence have never been his strong suits. OTOH, he is, in my experience, a meticulous researcher and brutally honest. I also note that you have carefully resorted to an image of a plain text blob with no header matter and no way to authenticate or verify the source or validate the attribution as factual. I don’t doubt that it is an actual RFG quote (at least it sounds like something he’d say), but why not link to the actual list archive where you got it? Are you attempting to hide the rest of the thread from closer scrutiny while cherry-picking quotes you hope support your narrative? > FWIW: Cogent sales reps who actually respond<https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/102992.html> is the original thread from the NANOG archives. > > Qoute 2 strikes me as an innocent snark said in jest. > FWIW: Colombia Network Operators Group<https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/103083.html> is the original thread from the NANOG archives. > > Quote 3 is the most amusing in that the person all but states that you, Mr. Cohen, are acting guilty of the allegations made by RFG and that the original poster thinks you both have things to answer for. > FWIW: Quoted thread here: Prominent horse racing identities (was Re: Elad Cohen)<https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2020-January/105585.html> > > Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: > https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz > > Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which, he doesn’t filter and doesn’t put any effort into political correctness. He definitely lacks polish and a certain level of social skills. > > I don’t think for one second that he is actually a racist or a bigot. He identifies patterns and calls out what he sees. Often without regard for the collateral damage. > > You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center of the wrongdoing he’s been pointing out. > > In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn). > > Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be Israeli (and for all I know Jewish, too), doesn’t mean that his accusations against you are baseless or inaccurate. > > Is it your claim that the following article: > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-add… > > is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to support such a claim? > > Just out of curiosity… Is this you, too? > https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-susp… > > Owen > >

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Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Elad Cohen 13 May '20

13 May '20

"absolute king" - I'm only trying to be elected to RIPE board, what does this strange person wants. ________________________________ From: Terrence Koeman Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:28 PM To: Elad Cohen; nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Yes, are you having trouble understanding that? Even if we suppose a world where you are the absolute king of all RIRs plus IANA *and* majority shareholder of all commercial entities you have envisioned for your round table, it would still not work. I'd pay to see that unfold in a VR simulation though, A+ entertainment :D -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. > -----Original Message----- > From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:01 PM > To: Terrence Koeman <terrence(a)darkness-reigns.com>; nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > "actually be implemented, even in theory" > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Terrence Koeman > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:58 PM > To: Elad Cohen; David Hubbard; nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > > You're welcome :) And don't worry I already have posted it on social > media. > > > I don't believe there is any danger of your "solutions" being mistaken for > something that can actually be implemented, even in theory. > > > If there was we would have larger issues than just the resource drain and > time-wasting of trying to forcefully implement comically unrealistic > "solutions". None of which are abated by suppression of your "solutions" > or discussion of them. > > > In fact, if people that believe you're a genius and that your "solutions" > merit implementation exist in positions where they can actually effect an > attempt to implement them (causing certain resource drain and time- > wasting), it's best we know about it sooner rather than later. > > > -- > Regards, > Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy > Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. > > Please quote relevant replies. > Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. > > ________________________________ > > From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 21:16 > To: Terrence Koeman; David Hubbard; nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > > > Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social > accounts. > > > ________________________________ > From: NANOG on behalf of Terrence Koeman > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:54 PM > To: David Hubbard; nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > > If you thought IPv4+ was entertaining, check out his "solution" to > packet spoofing: > > > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020- > April/003902.html > > > And SPAM: > > > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020- > April/003778.html > > > These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :) > > > This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting > to gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I > encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger > effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he > appears committed to building a tower there). > > > Ref: > > [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect > > [2] > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger > _Effect_01.svg > > -- > Regards, > Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy > Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. > > Please quote relevant replies. > Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. > ________________________________ > From: David Hubbard <dhubbard(a)dino.hostasaurus.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > > LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly > don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that > the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be > implemented with ‘software updates’ too… > > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org> on behalf of Elad Cohen > <elad(a)netstyle.io> > Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM > To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com>, "nanog(a)nanog.org" > <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > Hello Everyone, > > My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The > Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital > after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. > > What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an > intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. > > I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal > anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort > from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal > anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to > attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out > of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). > > "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization > according to their own words in their own following presentation: > > https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private- > Data-Violation > > They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive > amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many > internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in > illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is > the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the > illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". > > Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous > organization "The Spamhaus Project". > > > ---- > and that said legal counsel has then > proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, > South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish > to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block > ---- > This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share > their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information > can email me directly. > > > ---- > "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, > trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" > ---- > Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people > are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all > Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the > following links: > https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX > https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz > > Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog > in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: > https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk > https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz > > > In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in > two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare > literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in > https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards > me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog > subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof > against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn). > > The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped > Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: > https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own > words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber > influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) > - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and > they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that > Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli- > based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a > direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here > is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a > business competition. > > That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member > of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only > person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for > commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the > illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making > profit from it, for example: > > - Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The > Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the > competitors of Open-Xchange. > - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus > listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com) > > Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project": > > "Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) > and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike > Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") > "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/) > "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas > (https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/) > "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/) > "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange > (https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/) > "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security > (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/) > Among others. > > Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus > Project": > ThreatSTOP > FarSight Security > Fastly > Dyn > Cymru > Abusix > Among others. > > > Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly > written: > > "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal > activity in this report." > > But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written > only for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal > "cyber influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The > article was written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob > and then Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The > Spamhaus Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" > without a single proof. > > > Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal > anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just > their front clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here > without a single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous > organization "The Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple > single question - "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us > a single proof then please stop spamming the mailing list". > > Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing: > "less than honorable intent reach for power" > "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them > personally, to the exclusion of all else" > "Democracy dies in darkness." > > When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the > whole Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be > elected: > > IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add > more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software > updates and not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - > home routers and home modems which are the vast majority of routing > equipment in the world - will not need to be updated and will support more > 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ ) > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020- > April/003676.html > > Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and > automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization > "The Spamhaus Project") > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020- > April/003778.html > > Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and > spoofed ip traffic with is a source for criminality: > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020- > April/003902.html > > They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and > any other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to > make sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing > which is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - > will have no footprint in RIPE. > > My full agenda can be read here: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may- > 2020/candidate-biographies#elad_cohen > > Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I > will be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization > "The Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many > organizations and many businesses worldwide. > > Kind Regards, > Elad > ________________________________ > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org> on behalf of Ronald F. > Guilmette <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM > To: nanog(a)nanog.org <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE. > > Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there > will > be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from > now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats. > > I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for > the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal > counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then > proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, > South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish > to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a > block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" > historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been > legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. > (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, > trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, > and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against > this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.) > > Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you > be the judge. > > In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all > know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a > number of additional startling facts relating to the people who > nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as > documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen: > > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to- > african-ip-address-heist-running-for-board-position-at-european-ip- > address-organisation.html > > I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned > in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, > so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For > now > it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more > widely > available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above > link, > IMHO. > > > Regards, > rfg > > > P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and > constrained > from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either > partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will > refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at > least > note in passing that history records that in times such as these, > when > people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should > be, > focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, > and > their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is > elsewhere, > persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with > unfortunate > regularity, obtain it. > > I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with > personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those > responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet > governance, > however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our > first- > order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But > for > those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you > consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this > tool, > this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the > world, > and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by > default > or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for > them > personally, to the exclusion of all else. > > P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the > very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a > due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, > due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on- > list > transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been > switched > to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion > of > the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive > Board > election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, > themselves, > are now entirely off-limits. > > I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw > somewhere, > not too long ago: > > "Democracy dies in darkness." > -- anon >

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Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Elad Cohen 13 May '20

13 May '20

"actually be implemented, even in theory" ________________________________ From: Terrence Koeman Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:58 PM To: Elad Cohen; David Hubbard; nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election You're welcome :) And don't worry I already have posted it on social media. I don't believe there is any danger of your "solutions" being mistaken for something that can actually be implemented, even in theory. If there was we would have larger issues than just the resource drain and time-wasting of trying to forcefully implement comically unrealistic "solutions". None of which are abated by suppression of your "solutions" or discussion of them. In fact, if people that believe you're a genius and that your "solutions" merit implementation exist in positions where they can actually effect an attempt to implement them (causing certain resource drain and time-wasting), it's best we know about it sooner rather than later. -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 21:16 To: Terrence Koeman; David Hubbard; nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Thank you for publishing it, please post also in your social accounts. ________________________________ From: NANOG on behalf of Terrence Koeman Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:54 PM To: David Hubbard; nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election If you thought IPv4+ was entertaining, check out his "solution" to packet spoofing: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.h… And SPAM: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.h… These should be submitted as RFCs, but on April 1st next year :) This could only be funnier if he wasn't dead serious and attempting to gain power in RIPE right at this moment. Never in my life have I encountered such an obvious and clear example of the Dunning-Kruger effect[1]. He's entrenched right at the peak of "Mount Stupid"[2] (he appears committed to building a tower there). Ref: [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect [2] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_… -- Regards, Terrence Koeman, PhD/MTh/BPsy Darkness Reigns (Holding) B.V. Please quote relevant replies. Spelling errors courtesy of my 'smart'phone. ________________________________ From: David Hubbard <dhubbard(a)dino.hostasaurus.com> Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:19 To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: [SPAM-MS] Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election LOL the IPv4+ thing was a pretty entertaining read. You clearly don’t have even a basic understanding of the v4 packet structure, or that the octet display concept is simply for human benefit. IPv6 can be implemented with ‘software updates’ too… From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org> on behalf of Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 9:47 AM To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com>, "nanog(a)nanog.org" <nanog(a)nanog.org> Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Hello Everyone, My apology for not providing an official response to the first "The Ronald Show" that took place here many months ago, I was out of hospital after full anesthesia and it took me months to get back to myself. What was done towards me and what being done to me by Ronald is an intentional personal attack against me and I will explain. I didn't agree to provide private business documents to the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" that they tried to extort from me - then I found out who are the real people behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - and then they started to attack me (including here on Nanog, with false information, when I was out of hospital and wasn't in the condition to respond to them). "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according to their own words in their own following presentation: https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Vio… They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project". ---- and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block ---- This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information can email me directly. ---- "I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block" ---- Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the following links: https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in the following two links, by people which are not related to me: https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn). The "source" in "The Spamhaus Project" that supported and pumped Ronald Imagination is the criminal of the anonymous twitter account: https://twitter.com/underthebreach , that person according to his own words in his own criminal anonymous twitter account - is a master of cyber influence operations (meaning to influence people without a single proof) - that person is also an employee of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge and they are a direct competitor of a company that used the netblocks that Ronald attacked - not only that but Ronald also attacked another Israeli-based company called Divineworks (here in Nanog) and they are also a direct competitor of the Israeli-based company GeoEdge. What was done here is a cyber influence operation without a single proof because of a business competition. That criminal https://twitter.com/underthebreach which is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and pumped Ronald Imagination - is not the only person which is abusing the power of "The Spamhaus Project" for commericial goals, that are many many more people and companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which are making profit from it, for example: - Vincent Schonau from Open-Xchange (AKA "Vincenet Hanna" of "The Spamhaus Project") that "The Spamhaus Project" is attacking the competitors of Open-Xchange. - Laura Atkins from WordToTheWise which is selling a Spamhaus listing removal service (https://wordtothewise.com) Real identities behind "The Spamhaus Project": "Mike Anderson" - Michael O'Reirdan (Chairman Emeritus of W3AAWG) and Professor Ross Anderson from Cambridge university (both known as "Mike Anderson" of "The Spamhaus Project") "Rob Shultz" - Rob McEwen (https://www.invaluement.com/) "Thomas Morrison" - Daniel R. Thomas (https://personal.cis.strath.ac.uk/d.thomas/) "Pete Dawes" - Ildiko Pete (https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~ip358/) "Vincent Hanna" - Vincent Schonau of Open-Xchange (https://www.linkedin.com/in/vincentschonau/) "Milly Fawcett" - Kelly Molloy of FarSight Security (https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-molloy-b886442/) Among others. Companies behind the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project": ThreatSTOP FarSight Security Fastly Dyn Cymru Abusix Among others. Regarding the article that Ronald shared, in it there is clearly written: "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal activity in this report." But it doesn't change the fact that the article was clearly written only for Ronald to be able to post it and to proceed with the illegal "cyber influence operation" to attack me without a single proof. The article was written by the instruction of the "The Spamhaus Project" mob and then Ronald made this post according to the instruction from "The Spamhaus Project" mob. A coordinated illegal "cyber influence operation" without a single proof. Many subscribers of the Nanog list are members of the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" - Ronald Guilmette is just their front clown - expect many of them to jump now and to defame me here without a single proof (because this is how the illegal anonynous organization "The Spamhaus Project" works) - and you can ask them a simple single question - "show us a single proof" - and - "if you cannot show us a single proof then please stop spamming the mailing list". Ronald at the end of his post keep spreading lies and writing: "less than honorable intent reach for power" "to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else" "Democracy dies in darkness." When in reality I invented three new pantets for the best of the whole Internet community and I will work to implement them if I will be elected: IPv4+ that will mitigate the "IPv4 Exhaustion" problem and will add more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses: (can be implemented with software updates and not all internet hosts in the world will have to be updated - home routers and home modems which are the vast majority of routing equipment in the world - will not need to be updated and will support more 4,294,967,296 IPv4 addresses with IPv4+ ) https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003676.h… Completely mitigating the global email spam problem in a clean and automatic way: (and also mitigating the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project") https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003778.h… Completely mitigating spoofed ip amplification DDoS attacks and spoofed ip traffic with is a source for criminality: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/2020-April/003902.h… They ("The Spamhaus Project" mob) wants to keep controlling RIPE and any other internet organizations - I want to liberate RIPE - I want to make sure that that illegal anonymous organization that violates any thing which is sacred in the Interent (freedom, free speech and connectivity) - will have no footprint in RIPE. My full agenda can be read here: https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2020/candidate-bi… Ronald is afraid from me being elected because he knows that if I will be elected I will put an end to the illgal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which is intimidating and harassing many organizations and many businesses worldwide. Kind Regards, Elad ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org> on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg(a)tristatelogic.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:50 PM To: nanog(a)nanog.org <nanog(a)nanog.org> Subject: RIPE NCC Executive Board election Many of you here may be dues-paying members of both ARIN and RIPE. Those of you who are may wish to be aware of the fact that there will be an election held on (I believe) May 14th, just a day or two from now, for three open RIPE NCC Executive Board seats. I have it on good authority that one of the candidates running for the open RIPE NCC board seats in this election has hired legal counsel in South Africa, and that said legal counsel has then proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block, a block that all historical records, including even ARIN "WhoWas" historical records show, clearly and unambiguously, has been legally registered to the City of Cape Town for over twenty years. (I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block, and that they are defending themselves, as best as they can, against this attempt to extort them out of their rightful prooperty.) Where I come from, this kind of thing is called barratry, but you be the judge. In any case, prior to the RIPE election, I wanted to let you all know these facts about the candidate in question, as well as a number of additional startling facts relating to the people who nominated this candidate for a RIPE NCC Executive board seat, as documented by my friend, South African journalist Jan Vermeulen: https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-… I could go into more detail about many of the nominators mentioned in the above article, but I don't want to make this email too long, so I'll await some explict request for that additional info. For now it should suffice to make at least some of the basic facts more widely available, a task which is accomplished just by sharing the above link, IMHO. Regards, rfg P.S. I have been specifically and explicitly enjoined and constrained from posting here anything at all that might smack of being either partisan or of an even vaguely "political" nature, and thus, I will refrain from doing so. I would be remiss hoever if I did not at least note in passing that history records that in times such as these, when people of good character and good intent are, as they rightly should be, focused on the health and safety of themselves, their loved ones, and their professional collegues, and when the gaze of the world is elsewhere, persons of less than honorable intent reach for power and, with unfortunate regularity, obtain it. I cannot and do not ask that those of you who have been saddled with personal or local crises during this sad time turn away from those responsibilities to give attention to matters of Internet governance, however urgent those may appear at the moment. For all of us, our first- order duty lies nearby, with family, friends, and collegues. But for those of you who still have a few cycles to spare, I do ask that you consider carefully the newfound and critical importance of this tool, this Internet, in the lives of so many millions, all around the world, and the self-evident risks of its governance being handed over, by default or otherwise, to persons with an interest only in what is best for them personally, to the exclusion of all else. P.P.S. I would be posting this info and the above link also to the very relevant RIPE members-discuss mailing list, but as I am not a due-paying member of RIPE, I have no ability to do so. Separately, due in no small part to the candidate's own recent and manifest on-list transgressions on that very list, that list has recently been switched to a heavy-handed moderation, under which, it seems, even discussion of the pros and cons of candidates in the upcoming RIPE NCC Executive Board election are now categorized as "too controversial" and thus, themselves, are now entirely off-limits. I cannot help but be reminded of a catch-phrase that I saw somewhere, not too long ago: "Democracy dies in darkness." -- anon

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Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
by Brielle 13 May '20

13 May '20

I haven’t changed my mind, Elad. However understanding more of the background on why people have tried to look at it in the past and why it didn’t happen is important. Bills example, while it shows it is possible, runs into major issues we already deal with that have been around since the 90s. The implementation effort wouldn’t make sense these days. Funny how people who are recognized as being knowledgeable and experienced in the community are taken much more seriously, isn’t it? Sent from my iPhone >> On May 13, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Elad Cohen <elad(a)netstyle.io> wrote: > > LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you know in the community writing to you the exact same thing. > > Grow a backbone please. > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org> on behalf of Brielle <bruns(a)2mbit.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 9:57 PM > To: NANOG list <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > > On 5/13/2020 12:42 PM, William Herrin wrote: > > Hi Brielle, > > > > http://bill.herrin.us/network/ipxl.html > > > > Someone said much as you did way back in 2007. It bugged me, this > > defeatism that said there was no way IPv4 could have been > > incrementally updated to support more addresses, that a greenfield > > protocol was the only path forward. So I designed an upgrade factoring > > in the need for pre- and post-upgrade stacks and networks to > > interoperate over a period of years. It took all of 4 printed pages. > > > > It's clear IPv6 is the path forward. It was clear in 2007. But don't > > for a second believe that's because IPv4 could not have been upgraded > > in place. That's a failure of imagination. > > > Interesting, thank you for the insight and some detailed breakdown. I'm > actually really glad someone with some more experience jumped in with > some actual background in this effort. > > One thing that cropped up in my mind from the late 90s and AFAIK still > goes on today - isn't it pretty well documented that more then a small > number of 'professional' firewalls have a habit of just outright > discarding/rejecting/barfing on packets with options in them that they > don't recognize? > > IE: PMTU/ECN blackhole redux. > > Of course since IPx1 requires some stack upgrades, so that point is moot > really. > > Sigh. Back to the original thought that its just easier to go IPv6 then > try to 'fix' whats already out there. > > > > -- > Brielle Bruns > The Summit Open Source Development Group > http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org

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