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NANOG list errors
by Andy Ringsmuth 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

Fellow list members, The last several days, I’ve been receiving mail forwarding loop errors for the list. I’ll receive them several hours after sending a message. I’ll paste the latest two of them below, separated by % symbols. Anyone able to sort this out and fix? %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% This is the mail system at host mail.nanog.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <nanog(a)nanog.org>: mail forwarding loop for nanog(a)nanog.org Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.nanog.org X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 2B72F160040 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; andy(a)newslink.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Final-Recipient: rfc822; nanog(a)nanog.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;nanog(a)nanog.org Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for nanog(a)nanog.org From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy(a)newslink.com> Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed Date: July 17, 2018 at 9:53:01 AM CDT To: NANOG list <nanog(a)nanog.org> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog(a)ics-il.net> wrote: > > 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup comes later. > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > Midwest-IX > http://www.midwest-ix.com Well, in a few years when we’re all watching 4D 32K Netflix on our 16-foot screens with 5 million DPI, it’ll make all the difference in the world, right? Tongue-in-cheek obviously. ---- Andy Ringsmuth andy(a)newslink.com News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158 (402) 475-6397 (402) 304-0083 cellular %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% This is the mail system at host mail.nanog.org. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system <nanog(a)nanog.org>: mail forwarding loop for nanog(a)nanog.org Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.nanog.org X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 2F2AA160040 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; andy(a)newslink.com Arrival-Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 03:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Final-Recipient: rfc822; nanog(a)nanog.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;nanog(a)nanog.org Action: failed Status: 5.4.6 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for nanog(a)nanog.org From: Andy Ringsmuth <andy(a)newslink.com> Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed Date: July 17, 2018 at 11:12:22 AM CDT To: NANOG list <nanog(a)nanog.org> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka(a)seacom.mu> wrote: > > > > On 17/Jul/18 16:41, Mike Hammett wrote: > >> 10G to the home will be pointless as more and more people move away >> from Ethernet to WiFi where the noise floor for most installs prevents >> anyone from reaching 802.11n speeds, much less whatever alphabet soup >> comes later. > > Doesn't stop customers from buying it if it's cheap and available, which > doesn't stop them from proving they are getting 10Gbps as advertised. > > Mark. I suppose in reality it’s no different than any other utility. My home has 200 amp electrical service. Will I ever use 200 amps at one time? Highly highly unlikely. But if my electrical utility wanted to advertise “200 amp service in all homes we supply!” they sure could. Would an electrician be able to test it? I’m sure there is a way somehow. If me and everyone on my street tried to use 200 amps all at the same time, could the infrastructure handle it? Doubtful. But do I on occasion saturate my home fiber 300 mbit synchronous connection? Every now and then yes, but rarely. Although if I’m paying for 300 and not getting it, my ISP will be hearing from me. If my electrical utility told me “hey, you can upgrade to 500 amp service for no additional charge” would I do it? Sure, what the heck. If my water utility said “guess what? You can upgrade to a 2-inch water line at no additional charge!” would I do it? Probably yeah, why not? Would I ever use all that capacity on $random_utility at one time? Of course not. But nice to know it’s there if I ever need it. ---- Andy Ringsmuth andy(a)newslink.com News Link – Manager Technology, Travel & Facilities 2201 Winthrop Rd., Lincoln, NE 68502-4158 (402) 475-6397 (402) 304-0083 cellular &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ---- Andy Ringsmuth andy(a)newslink.com 5609 Harding Dr. Lincoln, NE 68521 (402) 304-0083 cellular

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Re: Proving Gig Speed
by Mike Hammett 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

I don't think you understand the gravity of the in-home interference issue. Unfortunately, neither does the IEEE. It doesn't need to be in lock-step, but if a significant number of homes have issues getting over 100 megabit wirelessly, I'm not sure we need to be concerned about 10 gigabit to the home. I am well aware of the wireless world and Ubiquiti. I've been using Ubiquiti (among other brands) for over 10 years and have been a hardware beta tester for several of them. The 640 kb of RAM statements, computers in home statements, 56 kbps days statements... are all tangential at best. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Greco" <jgreco(a)ns.sol.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog(a)ics-il.net> Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:11:29 AM Subject: Re: Proving Gig Speed On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 10:47:45AM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: > We already supply far, far greater than the actual consumer usage (versus want or demand). > > Consumers are moving away from wired connections in the home for wireless connections (for obvious mobility and ease of setup where there isn't existing wired infrastructure). > > Consumers are moving away from power desktops and laptops to phones, tablets, and purpose-built appliances. > > My in-laws have a Comcast service that's >100 megabit/s. The 2.4 and 5 GHz noise floors are so high (-50 to -75 dB, depending on channel and location within the house) that unless you're in the same room, you're not getting more than 10 megabit/s on wireless. On a wire, Comcast delivers full data rate. Speed tests from wire to wireless mirror the wireless to Internet performance. > > If it can't be delivered within the home, delivering it to the home is pointless. And yet if we had had those attitudes back in the days of 56kbps, ... Your argument is flawed because it implies that this is not an issue that can be addressed. Populating a house with more than a single crap-grade built-into-the-CPE radio is certainly possible, and tech people have been using gear such as Ubiquiti to do so for years now, but more recently mesh systems have become readily available as well and are even sold at Best Buy and other electronics stores. There is no need for ISP speeds to be in exact lock-step with wifi speeds. Advances in one will drive advances in the other. Eventually. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.

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Comcast outage Southwest Washington?
by Aaron C. de Bruyn 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

There a Comcast outage affecting a few of my locations in SW Washington state. We initially had an estimate of 3:26 PM for service restoration. That got bumped to 7 PM. Now the phone system isn't giving an ETR and the phone system says there are excessive hold times. I'm guessing it's a fiber cut. Can anyone provide some insight? Thanks, -A

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Blizzard, Battle.net connectivity issues
by Michael Crapse 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

Could I get an off list reply from blizzard engineers. Your email system is blocking our emails as spam, and I'm trying to resolve some geolocation issues that disallow our mutual customers to access your services. Thank you Michael Crapse Wi-Fiber, Inc.

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Re: Proving Gig Speed
by Scott Weeks 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

--- mark.tinka(a)seacom.mu wrote: From: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka(a)seacom.mu> As Trump said..." ---------------------------------------------- That should be added to Godwin's Law! >:-/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law scott

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(perhaps off topic, but) Microwave Towers
by Miles Fidelman 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

Hi Folks, I find myself driving down Route 66. On our way through Arizona, I was surprised by what look like a lot of old-style microwave links. They pretty much follow the East-West rail line - where I'd expect there's a lot of fiber buried. Struck me as somewhat interesting. It also struck me that folks here might have some comments. Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra

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Looking for Facebook NOC
by Siyuan Miao 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

Hi, Our network in Asia Pacific region was always allocated to Ashburn / Lonodn CDN. I'll be very grateful if there's someone from Facebook NOC could give us a hand to troubleshoot this off list. Best Regards, Siyuan Miao

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Bogon prefix c0f:f618::/32 announced via Cogent
by Siyuan Miao 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

Hi, c0f:f618::/32 originated from AS327814 is announcing via Cogent for several weeks. I've tried to contact Cogent and AS327814 but didn't receive any reply. Tue Jul 10 17:52:48.602 UTC BGP routing table entry for c0f:f618::/32 Versions: Process bRIB/RIB SendTblVer Speaker 76403269 76403269 Local Label: 61339 Last Modified: Jul 3 13:31:40.815 for 1w0d Paths: (1 available, best #1) Advertised to peers (in unique update groups): 38.5.0.99 Path #1: Received by speaker 0 Advertised to peers (in unique update groups): 38.5.0.99 327814 2001:550:0:1000::261c:166 (metric 119060) from 2001:550:0:1000::261c:153 (38.28.1.102) Origin incomplete, localpref 130, valid, internal, best, group-best Received Path ID 0, Local Path ID 0, version 76403269 Community: 174:11100 174:20999 174:21101 174:22012 Originator: 38.28.1.102, Cluster list: 38.28.1.83, 38.28.1.67, 38.28.1.92

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Akamai contact
by Eric Germann 16 Jul '18

16 Jul '18

Now that I’ve learned Delta is an airline, runs hotels, and makes faucets, amongst other things, if there is an Akamai [Company that deploys CDN’s and other things] contact who could contact me off list re: continuing to troubleshoot a Delta Airlines [amongst other sites] issue that would be most appreciated. Thank you EKG

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Gmail admin
by Brian 16 Jul '18

16 Jul '18

Is there a gmail admin that can contact me offlist? Thanks much.

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